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I think this would cost a lot of money.. which I don't have, sigh...
Windsor wouldn't really work, I don't think.. it is WAY south in Canada. Thanks for the railway suggestions, Candace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catty1
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Thank you for good wishes and prayers, Gary and kitties. :love::love::love::love::love:Quote:
Originally Posted by catmandu
It'll work out somehow, Pat. I actually don't think the railways would work well.
I do wonder if we have PTrs in south Ontario that might take them?
Something will work out!
Thank you, Candace! Love ya. :love::love::love::love::love::love:
DJ Fyrewolf could get them to Seattle.
She is also willing to be a rest stop for anyone who might be transporting them.
Pat - maybe PM Slick and double check on her taking them.
I don't have much money right now - a few PTrs could chip in, GoFundMe is possible.
But let's wait and see if Slick wants the babies. :)
I just sent Slick a PM.
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Pat- I think you are panicking without cause right now. *If* nothing has yet been said about the number of pets you have, and *if* there IS no limit, I wouldn't do a thing until required to do so. I represent landlords. They want "good", paying tenants. Frankly, a place mixed with young college kids AND mature, responsible tenants isn't any landlords dream mix.
You sound very panicked (not judging you, just relaying how it sounds), and are very reactionary right now. To think of re-homing pets without being told to seems drastic. :(
http://www.inspection.gc.ca/animals/.../1364954913271
Information on importing cats from the States.
Pat: I'm a little behind on things here and don't fully understand what's going on. I can only make assumptions. I have absolutely no experience with CH kitties and I've never been in contact with one so I'm not sure if I am the right home.
Thoughts anyone?
Agree, agree, agree!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataholic
Thank you for the link with the importing information, Slick. I just sent you a PM with regard to the rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by slick
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Thank you, Cataholic and Elyse. Yes, I do know I'm panicked here, and I do know I have that tendency.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataholic
But yes there IS a limit, two pets at most, and I am facing major surgery which will have me out of commission for quite a while, with this going on.
Yes, I've been a good, paying, dependable, non-pesky tenant for the 12 years I've been there. And they are marketing heavily to students right now, especially grad students and foreigners. I think they're looking at the fast-buck aspect, not the long haul.
Today I took Poppy and Elmer to the Happy Hearts Feline Rescue out in Grass Lake, MI. They can stay there for whatever time they and I need, until I either find a place I can have all four or else decide they should be adopted out. My sister and I have given them quite substantial donations.
And Bob and Sparkler will probably keep boarding at Karnik until I'm home and able to care for them again myself. My sister told me today she doesn't think she can handle caring for them, what with her job and all her other responsibilities.
The surgeon's assistant told me today that if I don't want to do Sept. 15, the soonest they could reschedule me is Oct. 29. That would make a lot of my rehab in the winter, which is out as far as I'm concerned. So I either go in next Monday (and come back when?), or else put it off until next March or so.
Thanks, folks, for your thoughts.
Pat :love::love::love::love::love::love::love::love:
You will be in our prayers.
Don't you just hate it when your life gets turned all upside down?:love:
Prayers still on the way from me too!!! :love:
Sending you good thoughts and prayers! I know what it's like to deal with landlords who have no intention of being nice...*sigh*
If there is ANYTHING I can do to help out on this adventure, please let me know. :love:
Thanks so much for the prayers and good wishes and all, Karen and MoFF and DJFyrewolf36.
I feel so guilty leaving Poppy and Elmer out there.. they'll mostly be in a cage. And once again their world has gone topsy-turvy.
I don't know what else to do, though. And I know they will be well cared for and loved and safe out there. I'm lucky that they have that space available to go to.
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Pat- they could have stayed right there with you. :( To know that your cats are in a cage is terrible. To know that they are there for no real reason is worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by phesina
If the cats peeing on everything was the cause of the LL ire, ONE cat is too many.
The cats should have stayed right where they were until there was a legitimate reason to re-home them.
And, for all the people that will jump down my throat because I am being "mean"...THIS is one of two reasons that I left PT for all intents and purposes. Pets are not disposable.
This has seriously bummed me out. Your poor PETS.
She has not disposed of them! She is going in for major Sir Jury in a few days, and will be out of commission for an undetermined period of time! And the cats were all boarded while workmen came and replaced all the carpet - not something Pat had scheduled for! She still loves all 4 kitties, I promise! And hopes they can all be back together on the other side of all this upheaval, I know!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataholic
Dear People Pleaser- having the ability to READ what has been posted confirms that she intends to GET RID of two cats for NO reason. (except the very late developing, "two cat max" reason).
Quite a difference between boarding cats temporarily while carpet/workers in and out and getting RID of two cats.
Animals cannot speak. They have no voice. To read on a "pet board" this type of thing is beyond comprehension. How terribly sad. I am not out to win a popularity contest, but I am sure not going to sit back and pretend this is OK.
Stop with the Polly-anna nonsense.
I worked for many years for a law office where one of their specialties was Landlord/Tenant law. If you are caught with more than the allowed # of pets, they can't legally kick you out right then and there, especially if you are having health concerns at the time. What they can/will do is give you 30-90 days to get rid of the extra animals or pay extra for them being there. They can't legally give you a few days to move out. If you have the right attorney you can buy yourself a year or more. If you are a good paying tenant who gives them no troble, it is NOT up to the apartment manager to kick you out, it is up to the owner of the building, and they rarely, if ever, evict people for the pet issue, unless you have over 10 cats ro so. Don't get paranoid. Board your kitties until you are back on your feet and then get them ALL back with you. The issue will be yesterday's news by then and no one will even care. I was caught with too many animals and I lived where I lived for almost 2 years without much hassle because I knew the law. Please don't put your pets through this because of a fear that isn't grounded anywhere near reality.
I can't care for them while I am in the hospital and then in rehab, and there is no one else available to do it. so they have to be somewhere else during this time.
I will get in touch with Legal Aid and the law students' clinic to find out just what the law is in Michigan regarding tenants and pets. If it is as you say, katladyd, I will get them all back as soon as I'm able to care for them myself again.
This was not a 'late developing, "two cat max" reason.' This has been the primary reason for all this. And I'm heartbroken about the idea of losing the two, but I feel quite powerless. If necessary, I hope to find another place to live where I can have them all, but I'm in no position to look just now.
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Originally Posted by Cataholic
I am a bit shocked by this quote.... . Really, this is exactly something that Elaine does NOT need right now....
To all who have never been in the situation where you are alone and have no help close by; count your blessings. I well know the feelings of panic and even terror at the thought of not being able to take care of your dear pets. Right now, they are where they are being taken care of . The ideal situation would be they would be home with phesina but they are safe and the rest will work itself out after she is back on her feet. No one was trying to be heartless or cruel to them. They were trying to do what was best for all concerned. I would have to do something similar with my cats should I ever need to go into the hospital. :love:
Cataholic. I believe that you have misjudged Phesina and the situation she finds herself in right now. While I don't think you mean to
be mean, your comments sound very insensitive & unhelpful. With all that's going on in her life right now, she's doing the very best she can.
Cataholic, Pat is not in this situation by choice and her heart is broken over her kitties that she loves with all her heart. Facing major surgery and other events going on for her considered, she made the only decision she could to make sure her beloved kitties are safe and well cared for. When I was put in the hospital over the holidays, my son was here to care for and look after Amigo. In that respect I consider myself fortunate but at the same time realize not all pet owners have this kind of back-up readily available. If we were closer, I'd go over there and care for the kitties myself while Pat recovers but getting to Ann Arbor from Trenton is clearly not possible. My heart is broken for Pat because I feel helpless to do anything for her. Right now she needs the support and encouragement of her friends, not more stress.
I usually don't chime in unless I am fully aware of situation, but in this case 100% agree with above posters re Cataholic's comments. No one is being Pollyanna-ish, but Phesina has quite a lot to deal with facing major surgery and recovery period without anyone adding to it by adding guilt into the mix. Many peeps do not have friends/family close by who can or are willing to drop everything and look after us and/or our pets. Phesina is doing the best that she can and has my "virtual" support and blessings which are all that I can provide .
Can't people read?
The point I raised has nothing to do with a temporary fostering because of surgery. Nothing at all. But, is as typical here, people read the drama, and forget about the most important issue- the pets. There is no reason to rehome any of her pets. Not until the last moment did she chime in that there was a two pet max. She even wrote that she didn't know, and feared to ask. This hasn't been an issue for 12 years. Now all of a sudden it is an issue.
I would presume it is so because everyone wants that free pass themselves when they dump their own animals. That is sad. That is wrong. And THAT is my concern. People have surgery all the time. How about thinking of the cats and THEIR stress? To live in a cage? Really?
I don't give a rat's butt what people think of me for expressing my opinion. I am thinking of the cats. Not a single one of you are.
Okay, so now we all know there is a two-pet maximum where Pat lives.
Once the new carpets are in, and since the managers there change so often, perhaps Pat can wait until there is an issue, if there ever is.
IF - IF - there is, she has a history as a good tenant which she can point out. Plus, she can offer to pay a pet damage deposit for the two extra cats (GoFundMe, here we come!;))
With major surgery coming up, anyone might be more prone to acting out of fear. Having a major event at home - moving furniture, replacing carpets - is enough of an upheaval all by itself.
At this point, Pat, I truly wish you all the very best with your surgery. With the cats, everything will work out the way it is supposed to. HUGS. :love:
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Originally Posted by Catty1
Absolutely. Totally and completely agree with you.
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Originally Posted by Cataholic
Prior thread.........
http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthre...-(see-post-25)
Please, folks, let's just leave it where is it in THIS thread, ok?
You tell me, Liz:
AND this:Quote:
Originally Posted by phesina
PLus the fact she had SEVEN in there at one time?Quote:
Originally Posted by phesina
Which set of "facts" is one to believe? I stick by my opinion. They aren't my cats. But, I can still care about their welfare.
I am thinking of phesina AND her cats. I wish I could have the two of them here with me, but that is not an option right now. I also wish I could help phesina more while she is recovering from her surgery, but I am 250 miles away from her in Chicago. I have a 2-pet maximum in my building, too. I know there are people in my building who are over the maximum, but that's none of my business. In the meantime phesina's cats are safe.
cassiesmom- I get that. And, I do understand about pet minimums. And, her cats are "safe". But they will be living in a cage. For no reason.
What gets me is that I fight every single day to keep pets IN homes, I do transport, rescue, donate, educate, etc., to make things better for animals at true risk. At true risk. That was not what was going on here. To know there are people on a pet board that can't see through their own selfish and personal drama, and care more about pleasing others than they do about the welfare of another living being that THEY are responsible for, peeves me to no end.
I expect to fight this silly nonsense in the general public. I don't expect to fight it on a pet board. But, as I said earlier, I left PT partly because it simply doesn't line up with my own personal mission about responsible pet ownership. That is my mission, my business. Cute pictures of pets are wonderful. Funny antics are wonderful. Pet dumping is not.
But, until we stop killing healthy animals every.single.day I will fight the fight. Hate me for it all you want. Call me mean, unsympathetic, guilt inducing, making people feel bad- I don't care. I am not doing this for the people. I am doing this for the animals.
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Originally Posted by Cataholic
Let's you & I just agree to disagree here & leave it at that. Love ya bunches.:love::love: Liz.
Liz- we agree to disagree. It is all good between us. ;)
Remember folks, we are all here because we love our pets. That means we have more in common than the rest of the world, and should treated each with respect.
Thanks, Candace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catty1
There's no extra damage deposit possibility for the extra cats, sigh.. Extra cats are not allowed, period. I would pay any amount in a minute if it would make a difference.
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Don't worry about it for now. :):love: Unless it's a municipal bylaw where you live, there are always petitions! ;):DQuote:
Originally Posted by phesina
I just wanted to say good luck with your surgery. I will be keeping you - and your kitties - in my thoughts and prayers.