Methinks this is the same silliness as always. If you ban one weapon people will find another. Rope existed before tape, swords before guns, etc, etc. If we just ban those pesky humans ... then the whole world would be politically correct, right? ;)
Methinks this is the same silliness as always. If you ban one weapon people will find another. Rope existed before tape, swords before guns, etc, etc. If we just ban those pesky humans ... then the whole world would be politically correct, right? ;)
Says he did this as punishment . . . not sure how it can also be a "joke that went too far". I never personally doubted that in many cases duct tape can be and is used to cause harm. I'd already heard several cases of these punishments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataholic
My ONLY point is that the particular photo on this thread didn't offend me.
And my ONLY point is that I found it offensive and inappropriate and suggestive. I never said anything about banning duct tape or dog cages or electricity, as one poster :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: mentioned. Puh-leeze!!!!! - give me credit for having some intelligence, regardless of what some people may think!Quote:
Originally Posted by finn's mom
The whole duct tape things just leads me back to the Anthony case and that just makes me sick.
I don't think this photo is "that" bad. Plus, she does have her stuffed animal with her....:D :p (just trying to lighten the mood).
Tallahasee made a wallet out of duct tape with his son Buck.:p
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Originally Posted by finn's mom
Someone said something about how no one would do something like this (duct tape) simply because they saw a picture of something like this (duct tape). I was merely suggesting that we should never underestimate the stupidity of people. Someone thought it was an appropriate punishment to duct tape a child's appendages, put them in a dog crate, and drip water on them. To me, punishment or not, that is stupidity.
I love practical jokes. I am the joker of the office. Duct taping a child to a wall as a joke or as a punishment or as a way to say, "I can do this" seems like a bad choice to me.
It reminds me of the late Michael Jackson, and his mistake of dangling his baby over a ledge/from a window. I don't doubt for a moment he didn't intend to place his child in danger. I don't doubt for a moment he thought of the public's perception of it. I think he made a poor choice. I have made plenty of them myself. I do go out of my way to limit them, and I would certainly never broadcast them on the internet.
I disagree with people that say this won't lead to someone else doing it. I think when we are exposed to photos like these, we lose a bit of the "what was she thinking" reaction. We see things (not just this photo) over and over again, and we become de-sensitized to them. That is what I think photos like these can do. De-sensitize us to conduct, and push the bounds of conduct. Eventually, it gets out of hand. It's 'ok' to do this to a child, and look, there is a stuffed animal in the picture, so we know it is all in good fun. Let's see if we can do it for 30 minutes. Wait! Let's see if she eventually falls asleep.
Watch the news, stupid stuff -that begins innocently enough- gets out of hand all the time. Why is locking a child in a dog crate any different than placing the child in a play pen? Because it seems wrong. We can't articulate it fully, but it just seems worse. That is how I see this picture. Was the baby harmed? I don't think so. Did it take 2 minutes to do this (which is kinda hard to believe), and did they immediately take the baby down? Maybe. It still just seems wrong.
I just saw a photo on Facebook of a guy duct taped to a tree. Supposedly he is a PETA member and they chose to rally about leather at a motorcycle event and the bikers taped him to a tree.
I'm sorry...........but that one was funny.
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Originally Posted by Taz_Zoee
I am pretty sure that was all made up. A staged event, with a willing adult. At least according to www.snopes.com, anyhow.
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Originally Posted by Cataholic
Thank you Johanna. You hit the nail on the head. Take a bow.
Maybe I should shut my mouth, but why start now................
I find it pathetic that people are up in arms over a comment made by a CT mayor, in which he said "I might eat tacos", when asked how he would support the Latino community, yet people (in general-not referring to any posters here), find that pics of kids being bound in various ways with duct tape is funny, and they are posting them all over the internet. :mad: What's wrong with that scenario?
I found what the mayor said as rather funny, and it certainly didn't imply or suggest, any physical harm or abuse. Yet people are outraged by his statement. Why aren't people outraged by these pictures, and why do so many people find them funny??? I'm Italian, and if someone said they might eat pizza in support of the Italian community, I would laugh at that too!!! I still find nothing to laugh at in those pictures.
OMG - where is this country of ours headed??? :(
The Mayor you refer to is in charge of a police department that is under investigation for major civil rights abuses relating to their treatment of the hispanic population in the city. "I might eat tacos" is hardly humor, it's equivalent of saying I don't give a damn.Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
I find the pictures funny as I can easily see how they could be done with no harm to anyone, and the pic the OP posted doesn't show harm or abuse.
As to uses for duct tape, I'm guilty. I once duct taped a Lieutenant to his rack. I guess I'm guilty of officer abuse. Toss me in the jailhouse, I'm a potential abuser.
Maybe they should introduce a parental ID, and if you're a parent you're not allowed to buy duct tape, extension cords or rope of any sort just in case there might be the remote possibility that the person could use them in a crime of abuse.
Again - it was failed to note that I stated IMPLY - just as I have said all along. Sheesh.............
Selective reading???????
I understood your statement perfectly.
I simply disagree with elected representatives making dismissive statements about the population they are elected to represent.
Did you read the back story behind the situation? Or just that one news piece? There's much more to it than the "tacos" statement, which I didn't find funny, just plain stupid. And there are discriminatory choices in place - you are Italian, if you lived in a city where it was half Italian, but only, say, Asians were allowed to be police officers, might you not be a bit touchy if an Asian official commented about meatballs?Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
Good gravy! Perhaps it is just my area of the country that believes duct tape is appropriate for children! This one was taped to the floor.
http://http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/news/...child-to-floor
I would equate the mayor's statement to that attributed to Marie-Antoinette- "Let them eat cake." It implied she didn't give a hoot that the people were starving.
The mayor implied, with his statement, that he didn't give a hoot about the hispanic population in his city.
Let's make the Italian example. A police department is accused of targeting citizens of Italian descent because they are of Italian descent. The mayor is asked what she is going to do to help the Italian community and she says..."eat lasagna."
There's a difference, ES. Marie's comment is apocryphal. The good mayor's comment was live.
While I can agree it is the sign of the digital times, I think most people do attribute that statement to Marie Antionette. Plus, I heard it in a movie, so I know it was said by her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
That's where the "attributed to" comes in. And since I wasn't there...and I suspect you weren't either...we can go with Cataholic's "heard it in the movies." ;):DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
You weren't there? You sure about that? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
You found me out! I was the one in the front row with the knitting needles and balls of yarn...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
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Originally Posted by Cataholic
Well-- someone who understands the real meaning of this whole ductape business. Thank you for that post Cataholic. Might just make a few people think twice before making fun of the seriousness of this picture.
For those who think it's funny and think we should ban duct tape, rope, belts or belt buckles, extension cords, wooden spoons etc etc--- try spending a day with someone from CPS or maybe spend a day in court listening and looking at what extension cords, wooden spoons, duct tape etc etc,( too numerous to mention all the things used) and see what those things can do to a child when used by an angry parent. Might not think it's such a big joke after witnessing some of the horrors. All I can say is thank god most kids don't fall through the cracks and end up in loving homes. To those that do get missed maybe people should work harder to not put silly ideas in the so called parents' heads.
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Originally Posted by Cataholic
Not sure why you quoted me in saying all this, not that I'm offended . . . just found it odd. I was simply wondering how he did this as punishment but that it was also a joke taken too far. (Taken from the article)
I definitely think people "get ideas" from photos and videos, but I also think those people already have stupid tendencies. I can look at these photos all day, every day, and never duct tape my daughter to anything.
@Finns Mom- I thought it was customary, when responding to someone's comment, to quote it, so people would know to whom I was replying to. You said something about punishment and joke going too far..I responded. How else was I supposed to do it so that you didn't find it 'odd'? I am always up for learning proper internet etiquette!
I made sure not to quote you here, though. But, I still had to reference you by name, so that people would know to whom I was responding. Seems like it would be simpler simply to quote you. :confused:
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Originally Posted by Cataholic
I didn't find your quoting me offensive, as I said, but I do find everything about this comment rude and dripping with sarcasm, which I find unnecessary.
I know the proper etiquette when responding to someone and do not have a problem with being quoted. I just didn't understand how the comments you left had anything to do with my comment about the article. It seemed more general to the rest of the thread.
I'm respectfully bowing out of this conversation and thread at this point.
For what it's worth, I found nothing at all sarcastic/rude with this post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataholic
Many a time I have read a post, and wondered who in the heck that the poster is referring to. Was it in response to something I posted, or was it directed to one of the half dozen or so people that posted after I did? Do I answer, and look stupid (again) because it wasn't directed at me??? I'd rather be "quoted" and know it was me, and be able to respond (or not). Isn't that why we have the option to "reply with quote"? :confused:
Say what? Lol..I seriously thought I was guilty of some posting etiquette, and just wanted to put my question out there. You questioned my conduct, you found it, "odd". I explained my conduct, and told you the basis for it.
Sheesh.
(I am responding to Finns mom, but I am not allowed to quote her)
Now, THAT was sarcasm....)