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Originally Posted by Cataholic
So yalls intolerance get to dictate what gets posted in the "Dog House"?Quote:
Originally Posted by sasvermont
I believe Karen is still the Mayor of PT, not either of you.
Sana and Popcornbird, thanks for sharing about Eid ul adha.
I hate to say it, but it is nice to see a positive side of the Muslim culture.
Thanks Karen, popcornbird, jenn, caseysmom, sparks19! :) Good to hear some PTers are nice! :)
But, blue, I didn't understand your last line.
Oh yes, so the turkeys you all eat on Thanksgiving aren't slaughtered, right? Maybe we should consider Thanksgiving a cruel holiday. Just because you get it from a store doesn't mean it wasn't slaughtered.
It is a shame that anyone who eats meat consider this offensive, and I find it VERY sad that this is in the Dog House. It is like putting a post on Christmas in the Dog House.
The spirit of Eid is that of giving, sharing, sacrifice, and love. Every bit of the animal that is slaughtered is used for food. It is shared with those who do not have enough money to buy food all year. It is a joyous time for 1.2 billion people around the world. I find it really sad that anyone find this offensive.
If you don't want to eat meat, fine, but don't condemn the majority of the world that does. Our beloved pets eat meat, and so do we. It is natural, normal, and there is nothing wrong with it. To be a vegetarian is a choice, and to not be a vegetarian is a choice. No one is condemning the choice of vegetarians, and no one should condemn non-vegetarians.
Islam commands that we treat animals with tremendous kindness. These animals that are eaten on Eid are treated with love in their life. We are commanded to slaughter in the MOST humane way, and the typical meat available in the supermarkets is forbidden for us to eat because that method is not followed. I have seen sheep being slaughtered for food, and I can tell you they do not even cry once. Not once. It is such a quick method that their pain is kept at minimum.
I hate that EVERYONE demands respect. EVERYONE demands understanding. EVERYONE demands freedom. EVERYONE demands the right to make their own choices....yet when it comes to MUSLIMS, EVERYONE tries to condemn for things they do themselves. I'd like to see how any of you would feel if you were expected to defend yourself and your beliefs for everything. We have to defend ourselves for eating meat and sharing it with those who have nothing to put in their children's plates. Lovely...
You want me to criticize Christmas and see how you like it? Your holidays are not superior to ours. Do NOT demand respect if you do not know how to give it to others.
If you eat meat, you have no right to condemn this. And if you don't, I respect your choice, but you need to respect mine as well.
Abraham was one of God's greatest Prophets, and amongst the most beloved of God's men. To remember this great man who is known as a Prophet of God in the Jewish, Christian, and Muslim faiths is a matter of honor, not a matter to condemn.
And for anyone who says, "I'm glad my God doesn't do this or that..." there aren't a bunch of different gods who created different people. We all came from the same source. Its how you may think, but the truth of the matter is my God is the God who created me and you, and that really isn't a different god.
How terrible that anyone should hurt a child for sharing about a day that is so special to her, her family, and to people in lands from Africa to the Middle East, to Asia, through Europe, and throughout the Americas. It really shows the ignorance of the masses, and it is very, very sad. Look beyond what you 'see' on the 'media'. :rolleyes:
Sorry if I offended anyone, but I feel very hurt and annoyed right now.
Very well said, Popcornbird. Sana, I'm glad you had a very good holiday. Sometimes I think people forget that there are other traditions in the world besides western culture.
ETA: Sana, I believe Blue was commenting on how in the US at least we get fed a lot of negative things about the muslim culture through the news and other media. It is nice to see someone that lives in that culture share some positive things about it.
Thanks DJ and thanks for telling me what blue meant
And I wanted to say (not only to DJ) I was happy that I sacrificed something for my God, don't think He is being cruel to me by telling me to let me go off something and be sad that I let it go. He isn't doing it for fun, He has wisdom in everything He does. I am happy to sacrifice something for Him, even if I loved it more than anything.
And popcornbird, WELL SAID!!! the reply was really well said! Thanks for replying and providing your insight into the matter. :D :)
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Originally Posted by sana
Excuse me young lady, but you need to get down off that high horse of yours, and read what is posted before you go off on a rampage!
Take time and read again what I said!!!!! I said that I hoped you were not going to post pictures and that was all, since that's what you indicated you intended to do. If you find that innocent comment offensive, then so be it!!! I have sense, a brain and a heart, and I don't appreciate your implications toward me.
If you want to come here and play with the big people (adults), then grow up and stop acting like a whiny little teeny-bopper.
You hit the nail on the head Johanna - and you know what I'm talking about. How silly of me to come back with the hopes that things might have changed some. They haven't, and never will, I'm afraid. This place just isn't what it used to be, and the change has not been for the good. Sad indeed! :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataholic
I have always asked that folks be respectful of each other, and I am sorry that people posting about a beloved religious tradition has upset you.
Please folks, let it drop.
I feel sorry for all the turkeys in the US. Poor things...thousands will be killed on Thanksgiving. How terrible to give thanks over a slaughtered and roasted turkey. How could you not love the poor innocent animals?
And please don't post turkey recipes or post pictures of your amazing thanksgiving dinners! It is highly offensive! Poor, poor turkeys!!!
Don't post about thanksgiving. Don't you see that it is a pet website? People get highly offended by your roast turkeys!!
Don't post pictures of your thanksgiving dinners either. We don't want to see the end result...families smiling and laughing together around a table with a poor roast turkey in the middle, being gleefully devoured by all.
Don't feed your cats and dogs any meat either. Let them hunt it on their own. Buying it from the grocery store makes you supportive of the meat industry.
My point of posting? Enough with the hypocrisy!!!
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Originally Posted by popcornbird
Didn't you read Karen's post, or don't you care what she thinks?
Dern it, Liz! You beat me to it. I thought Indiana was on the same time as Ohio...but you must be an hour ahead. :)
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Originally Posted by Cataholic
They don't call me "flyin fingers" for nothin. :D I was posting another
subject because I read that Karen called for a time out here. I have plenty
more to say on this thread, but held back because the Moderator asked
us to do that.
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Originally Posted by popcornbird
Hey that came wrapped in white plastic in my local grocery store so its okay! I am just teasing, I think a lot of americans are removed from the point from animal to wrapped in platic in the grocery store...
Yeah, I had lots more to say, too. But, as I have always maintained, it is the moderator's board, and when she says, "stop", I do. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by lizbud
Actually I do care about what Karen thinks, and I know that she knows that about me. As far as I understood, she was talking to the people who were disrespecting a very special holiday to people all over the globe. I was one of the people sharing about the holiday, which, if you are a Christian, open up your bible and read. YOUR God told the same story of Prophet Abraham and his sacrifice in YOUR holy scriptures. Same applies if you are a Jew...open up the Torah.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizbud
PCB I truly don't think anyone was disrespecting your traditions or religion. I think if I lived on a farm and went into detail about the turkey I was going to slaughter folks would feel the same.
The recipe for cooking the turkey seems more "removed" for most people I guess.
I eat meat but I don't even like to see a fish get killed. I couldn't pick the lobster I was going to eat like some do, but I will eat lobster, does that make sense?
Anyone who loves animals doesn't 'like' to see animals being killed...but it is a fact of life. If you eat meat, an animal was killed to feed you, plain and simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by caseysmom
I don't 'like' to see animals killed...I adore animals and would actually love to have a pet goat. It's just that I am not going to put my head under the sand and pretend to think the meat that I eat wasn't killed.
Just so everyone knows, I was not trying to disrespect those who eat turkey for thanksgiving...I was just saying, it is exactly the same thing. I would fight against the mistreatment of animals any day. In fact, my religion commands me to be good to animals, with many stories that those who show kindness towards God's living creatures earn great reward from God, and those who are cruel towards them earn His anger and punishment. Eating meat just doesn't fall under the same category.
Talking about a farm animal. One time we loaded up a heifer we raised from a baby to go to the butcher. She was in the trailer & I walked up to the trailer & I thanked her for giving herself to us. There are prayers said over the table at all houses in thanks for the food God has given us. In the making of kosher meat prayers are said. Amen to all of that which is given to us.Quote:
Originally Posted by caseysmom
Good Gravy, of course anyone wasn't disrespecting anyone's religion. That is what is so infuriating for me. This has nothing to do with religion, culture, the moon, Thanksgiving OR Eid. This has to do with the single and sole fact that this.is.a.pet.site. The OP was not lamenting about the holiday, read the title of the thread! She then posted how she might post pics. NOT of the celebration of Eid, but about the slaughter. On.a.pet.site.Quote:
Originally Posted by caseysmom
I don't care if the person was the biggest Christian in the WORLD. If that person, came on here, and as part of a Thanskgiving thread, told the gory details of the killing of the turkey, I would call a spade a spade in the same way I commented on the OP's posting. It has nothing to do with being a vegetarian, a moon worshippper, a beefalogist. It has to do with extolling the virtues of a slaughter of an animal, on.a.pet.site.
I try so hard not to respond to you publically, as I know it effects our relationship privately, but I just have to comment on this. There are many, many, many things that are a fact of life. Many. I would never comment on them on a pet site. That many people eat meat is not the point (and of course, you know I refrain). It has nothing to do with Eid, and you know I have questioned you much about your faith, and customs, and I always find it interesting. It is ONLY because the OP talked of slaughter, which I can only imagine is such a tiny part of the entire celebration (right???), and so much was NOT said about any other part...but it was on the focus of the slaughter. THAT is what I find offensive- for a pet site, my own personal feelings aside.Quote:
Originally Posted by popcornbird
And, if Karen meant that only people in favor of slaughter +/- muslim's are permitted to respond after her request not to, I stand down.
I will close this thread now, as I think everything that needs to be said has been said.
I am glad Sana didn't post pictures of the animals - she was going to post them before the slaughter, by the way, never said she was going to post of the slaughter, but realized even that would be too sad.
And funny enough, Popcornbird, most of the Thanksgiving recipes being shared have nothing to do with the turkey - the sides are the fun part that people will experiment with!
I never meant only people of one religion should post in this thread, or any.