I know. The IP provider is in Jackson MI...I sent all the info to a bright creative computer guy to see if he had any ideas.
I know. The IP provider is in Jackson MI...I sent all the info to a bright creative computer guy to see if he had any ideas.
As I just posted in Cat>Rescue>Anyone Near Jackson, Michigan?? 6 Week Old Kitten Needs A Home :
I also looked up the Cascades Humane Society in Jackson, which she said she had contacted about taking the kitten and they'd told her they were full. The Humane Society is open tomorrow 12-6pm. I plan to give them a call, to see if they might have an address or any information that might help. And then depending on what I learn, a trip to Jackson may be on the agenda! According to Mapquest the CHS is 38.40 miles away from me and it should take me about 42 minutes to get there because the trip is almost entirely on I-94.Quote:
Originally Posted by phesina
Pat
Does anyone here have a Petfinder account?
I went to the link and clicked "Profile" on the user's post...but because I don't have an account I can't log in. Not that there would be any useful information there, but you never know.
hey - how about contacting the PF moderator, if there is one?
Hey, Pat - phoning Cascades, or having the Jackson HS do it, might not be a bad idea!;)
ETA: How about posting that quoted message to the Petfinder thread?
I'm trying to register so I can check the Profile, and even contact the admin...no luck so far.
I have a Petfinder account. I just signed up for it today. It was easier for me to get onto than Pet Talk! (Guess what my username or handle or whatever they call them there is. :D)
And guess what also: aside from revealing that pugluver's language is English and time zone is GMT-5 Hours and gender is unknown, the profile has no actually identifying or descriptive information whatsoever! SURPRISE!
Here's the only bit of slightly-interesting information there about her:
Joined: 30 Sep 2008 (17 Days)
Last visit time: Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:03 pm
Which suggests some kind of hit-and-run troll?
I think I've found the moderator or, actually, administrator to get in touch with, and now I'm composing my private message to her/him/them/it (auto-responder?)/whatever.
Great idea!! Can I haelp??
Thank you, moosmom! Right now I can't think of anything, but I'll let you know if something comes up. Are you in Michigan also?Quote:
Originally Posted by moosmom
Meanwhile, please pray for this little kitten (assuming she's for real) and that we get her out of that awful situation and home with Melissa soon. Please, everybody pray for the little kitten!
Yesterday I e-mailed the Petfinders administrator asking if he/she can find out if this user and story are for real and if so encourage her to let us take the kitty to safety.
Then I wrote another e-mail to the Cascades Humane Society asking if they had any contact information for this person, who had said she called them but they told her they were full or any suggestions on how we can save this kitten. Then I called them to follow up on the e-mail.
I was told that if when she called she was told they were full (and they've been full for months), then there would be no record of the call. One person at the CHS, named Sue, might be able to give me a little assistance, but she won't be in to work until Tuesday (they aren't open Sundays or Mondays).
I asked the person I spoke with if she would e-mail my message to Sue so she will see it before Tuesday, and she said she would.
Still no reply from the admin or responses to my Petfinder and e-mail messages to pugluver/msterio/whatever.. and no phone calls.
Thanks,
Pat
I would suggest sending a email to [email protected] as that will, usually, redirect to someone who can assist.
Thanks, Reggie..
I FINALLY HEARD FROM HER BUT YET NO ANSWERS TO ANY OF MY QUESTIONS?? LIKE HER NAME? HER NEIGHBORS ADDRESS?
The last e-mail I sent her was on Friday asking her to call me with the calling card I gave her telling her I'd like to get this kitten this weekend and that Pat and I would like her's neighbors address as to where the kitten and surprise no answers to anything just do I still want the kitten. I posted my reply under her e-mail I got.
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Kitten desperately needs a home Petfinder
> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 06:39:34 -0500
>
> I am really sorry, I haven't gotten back to
> you lately, I haven't been able to get online.
> Let me know, if you still want this kitten.
> Right now, I have not seen her in days again
> and my neighbors have been gone, so, without
> seeing her around, I can't get her. The
> nighbors are due back Monday, so, if, I don't
> see the kitten, between now and then, I will
> have to go over there monday and find out
> where she is.
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Kitten desperately needs a home Petfinder
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:51:49 +0000
Mam,
I REALLY WANT THIS KITTEN PLEASE
Get her for me or please please give us your neighbors address please!
Please. CALL ME PLEASE AS SOON AS YOU GET HER. Pat is willing to come at anytime to meet you anywhere you want so we can get this kitten inside!
I really want her and want to give her a good home please!
Melissa
The more I read, the more I really think this is a hoax, and this person is playing a cruel game with all you kind hearted souls that are trying to save this kitten - if the kitten actually exists. :mad: Nothing adds up!!!!!!
Yes, something is fishy here although she may just be lazy and will do as little as possible in all this to rescue the kitten. I've known people like this who mention a cat in peril, other people take the necessary action to rescue it, and then they take the credit for it. If that's the case, then so be it as long as the kitten is safe. Prayers are continuing for the kitten and everyone who is diligently working to get it to safety and a good permanent home.Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
I think it's about time someone at Cascades or etc contacted their cop buddies and got a court order to contact the ISP and find out who the heck this is, and what she is up to.
She DOES have dial-up, and these days it can be really hard to get online if she is in a large and busy area.
Pat, I know you have contacted everybody you can - I hope one of the PetFinder people will contact you!
If and when "we" know her address, and if this is a hoax, I'd be tempted to drive there and throw eggs all over her front window. But then I'D get arrested! :mad:
I bet the kitten is in the house with food and water - they wouldn't have taken it with them, I don't think.
Prayers that ALL kittens in trouble get rescued. :love:
OK - maybe I should just shut up and mind my own business, but this whole thing just isn't right - IMO! The pieces just don't fit in this puzzle! :( In the posts that this person made in Petfinder, she(?) said that the humane society had read her original post asking for help, and emailed her back that they had no openings, yet in her emails that she has sent to Melissa, she said she "called" the humane society and was told there were no openings. So which was it? She won't give her address or phone #, but yet she won't contact Melissa even tho Melissa gave her a calling card # to use. I wonder why??? She also said at least twice that she would go talk to the kitten's owner - so why hasn't she - they aren't gone all the time. She also claims that the kids abused the kitten by kicking it in the head and choking it. If this is the case, and the kitten is outside and not in the house all the time, I would think it would have run away by now. Animals aren't dumb enough to go back for repeated abuse and they leave if given the opportunity most of the time. See where I'm going here??? - nothing makes sense!!!:mad: I just have a gut feeling about this.....Maybe a lonely person looking for attention, or perhaps a kid with nothing better to do and sitting back and laughing about the whole thing...????
I don't know - maybe I'm wrong - I hope so!!!
I am suspecting near the same things. The line is not continuous, it branches into two different stories. Nothing fits together right unless you disregard some parts which eliminates the purpose. The fact that she will not allow anyone to contact her in any manner except email is another thing. This is, IMO, a internet troll with nothing better to do in its life.Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
Well, let's hope she is nailed soon!
Oops, that was MY mistake, in my report of my telephone call to the Cascades Humane Society: In her Petfinder message she did say the Humane Society had emailed her after seeing her first post there.. but when I called the CHS I just asked about it as I thought I'd remembered it, that she had called them about the kitten.Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
Either way, the Cascades Humane Society has been full for months and would not have taken the kitten and would not have any further information on the person.
I've been wondering too if this person is just a troll, someone with excess time to fill who likes to stir other people up.
But I'm still checking e-mail and Petfinder and cell-phone messages and such (still nothing on any from her), as long as there's still a chance for the kitten if it might actually exist.
And I still have no response to my message to Petadmin. Reggie, I followed your advice and this morning sent a copy of my Petadmin message to [email protected], thanks.
The humane society would have an email record if they really did send her one - right? Maybe that could be checked out.Quote:
Originally Posted by phesina
Catty,
Since we did hear from her today, I think we should just wait maybe another day or two to see if she talks with the neighbors and gets the kitten before we try to get a court order or scare this women off.
I'm not sure if this is a hoax or not but I have a feeling it is not and that she's just a person who cares but just doesn't have the time to e-mail and call or whatever. I know she has a kid so maybe she has a few and she's just really really busy.
I'm of course very worried about this black kitten but I just think getting a court order might be the wrong thing since she did contact us today.
I'd say if we don't hear from her in 2 days or so then maybe do it or see what Petfinder people say.
Melissa
They might be able to track down the e-mail, but we would be at the same point of not being able to get further identification of the sender from the ISP without a court order.Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
If and when that happens I'd be very strongly tempted to drive straight to Jackson with a whole carload of eggs! ..a carton for everyone who is being strung along on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catty1
"Just an early Halloween prank, Officer!.."
Meanwhile, what is most important is to find out that the kitten is safe and collect it from this person.
Here's hoping and praying...Quote:
I bet the kitten is in the house with food and water - they wouldn't have taken it with them, I don't think.
Prayers that ALL kittens in trouble get rescued. :love:
Exactly!Quote:
Originally Posted by phesina
I hope we hear from her tonight, my husband work's late hours so I told him to keep checking my account while he's home in case she is e-mailing really really late and maybe I could e-mail her back and get 2 responses or something.
True, but my thought was this:Quote:
Originally Posted by phesina
If she really did get email from the humane society, then she just might be telling the truth about the whole thing.
If in fact there was no email sent to her by the humane society, then she lied about it, and possibly lied about all the rest too.
It's just strange that it's been dragging on for 10 days now, when she so urgently asked for help in the first place.
I just hate to think that good people are being conned!!! Frustrating to say the least. :(
I know I still have my doubts but I'm hoping that she's just very busy and just doesn't have time to e-mail and well cares about the situation but is finding it hard to deal with it maybe.
I'm not sure really.
We'll see soon enough hopefully. I do hope we can get this figured out.
Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
Getting a court order could possibly end up being the last option if she wont talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anikaca77
HOpefully the police/AC can get the information and speak with her DIRECTLY. (If it IS a her).
I can imagine if it's a kid...there will be a really angry parent or two!
I just checked my e-mail address and I got this e-mail. It's 2 a.m. here.
Her name is Charity.
I have to go over there tomorrow, I can't give
out my neighbors address, so, I will talk to
my neighbors tomorrow, if, their not home and
I see the kitten, I will take her, contact Pam
and have her meet me somewhere to get her.
Oh, my name is Charity by the way.
Let's wait on the court order though until we hear from her tomorrow ok.
Thanks,
Melissa
Well that's good news - I hope!! Fingers and toes crossed that this might finally get the ball rolling and get kitty in safe hands!:)
In a case like this - I'm really happy to be admitting that I was wrong! :D
Here's keeping all paws and fingers crossed.
I got a similar e-mail from her this morning, too:
--->
I will go over there tomorrow, if, my
neighbors aren't home and I see the kitten,
I will take her and contact you, to meet me
somewhere to pick her up.
---
I have been checking the cell phone. Nothing yet, but maybe something in the next day or two?!
How frustrating! I guess I'm just too upset right now but I have zero tolerance for this nonsense. Urgent pleas for help call for urgent action and she's done nothing to help either of you to help this little kitten. In fact, it appears that she's even thwarting things. I do hope that all this gets settled and soon for the kitten's sake and for yours, too, Melissa and Pat.
I guess no news isn't good news??!! What's with this "person" anyway??? I'd sure like to meet her face to face - this whole thing is ludicrous! :mad:
No e-mails, no cell-phone messages yet.
And no response yet from Petadmin or Webmaster @ Petfinder.. or from the woman at the Humane Society who theoretically might be able to do something.
Yeah, this Charity or whatever was the one urgently looking for help on Oct. 1 on Petfinder.. and here we've been BEGGING her to let us know how we can get the kitten from her and take her to safety.. and there's just one stonewall after another from her.
No response today either.
I'm hoping she'll reply today or tonight like last week.
Thanks,
Melissa
Even if she does reply, either the situation was NOT urgent, as she indicated, or she just doesn't care enough to take action. Everyone is busy so that excuse just does not fly. Her lack of communication is inexcusable unless she's had something catastrophic happen in her own family to cause this delay, which is doubtful. She's the type that, if you do rescue this kitten, she'll tell everyone how she rescued it. In the end though, the important thing is the safety of the kitten, if it even exists, but to keep you two running around in circles is cruel. It may sound unfeeling on my part but when I was actively involved in rescue, I'd make a couple of good attempts to contact people like this and, if I had no success, I moved on because there were too many others who were sincere in their efforts to help cats in distress. If this turns out to not be a hoax and you do manage to rescue this kitten, she'd get an earful that she'd never forget if I was involved. She needs a good slap!
I just called the Cascades Humane Society and explained the situation and they said without any information they can't do anything. They said that I could try to contact the Police Department to see if they will do a search (she said they may not) for the IP address but she said that does get expensive. She did check her e-mails and the only one she found about a black kitten was from Pat.
I asked this lady who I spoke with if you would ever search Petfinder for ads or cats that are looking for homes? She said no. She said most of the time (90%) people will call in and ask if there is space available and right now there isn't any space available.
So I'm not sure if Charity meant she called the Jackson Cascades and they said they were full or maybe she did e-mail them but they don't have record of it.
I take it, now we are just in a waiting game until we hear something from her. I'm willing to give her until the end of October and if I don't hear anything from her then maybe it will be time to close this case since we can't see to get anywhere and I can't afford court fees just to find out she was faking this whole time.
I have a feeling she isn't and that she's just very busy but this all is a bit weird that she won't call or try to get this kitten and I've been trying work with her since Oct. 8th.
Melissa - go back and read what was posted by "Charity" on Petfinder. She said that the humane society emailed HER and told her that there were no openings after reading her first post requesting help. BIG FAT LIE!!! As you said above - they don't do that! I'm right back to what I suspected almost from the beginning - just a hoax. This troll is just playing a game, and it's such as shame that you and Pat have put so much time and effort into rescuing a kitten that most likely doesn't even exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anikaca77
I'm fuming mad :mad::mad::mad:
The only thing that makes me have a little hope is maybe she meant that she e-mailed the Humane Society and they told her they were full.Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
I don't think she re-reads what she writes and alot of the time I don't either.
I'm just sad to say there isn't more I can do for this kitten and I wish there was.
I wish I had your optimism, but I've seen too many con games in my life. :( This just isn't at all believable to me - especially not as long as it's been dragging on!Quote:
Originally Posted by Anikaca77
Thanks I just don't want to let this kitten down if there is one.
Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu