What is YOUR definition of a BYB?

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Originally Posted by ScottieMommy

If they dint want the dog, they would not spend their time filling out an app and having their homes looked at (some) So where do they get their dog?

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I cannot begin to count the number of people I know, who were basically handed a dog from a shelter/rescue, who should NEVER have been given the responsibility of a dog's life.

I also know of zero shelters that do home checks, zero. If you rent... you should have permission from your landlord before adopting. And there is always a box to check if your rent or own, and you just write down your landlord's number. whoopideedo!

Personally, I would rather not own a dog, than resort to a BYB who doesn't even care enough to screen your home. A breeder who doesn't care about where their puppies are going, probably also doesn't give a crap about the quality of the puppies they produce. Common sense, therefore, says that those puppies are not going to be healthy.

If a shelter won't approve you, a half-way decent breeder sure as heck won't. I think the problem here is so many people in this society want what they want, right NOW. They aren't willing to look around, it's way easier to whip out a newspaper and pick up a BYB puppy with no obligations or questioning involved. I know some people who do this are actually good owners, but most of them, simply are not. They want instant results, and when that puppy won't stop peeing on the carpet or when that puppy isn't tiny & cute, it ends up in a shelter. Hence the reason that nearly 50% of puppies go through the shelter system before age 2.

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Originally Posted by bckrazy

I cannot begin to count the number of people I know, who were basically handed a dog from a shelter/rescue, who should NEVER have been given the responsibility of a dog's life.

I also know of zero shelters that do home checks, zero. If you rent... you should have permission from your landlord before adopting. And there is always a box to check if your rent or own, and you just write down your landlord's number. whoopideedo!

Personally, I would rather not own a dog, than resort to a BYB who doesn't even care enough to screen your home. A breeder who doesn't care about where their puppies are going, probably also doesn't give a crap about the quality of the puppies they produce. Common sense, therefore, says that those puppies are not going to be healthy.

If a shelter won't approve you, a half-way decent breeder sure as heck won't. I think the problem here is so many people in this society want what they want, right NOW. They aren't willing to look around, it's way easier to whip out a newspaper and pick up a BYB puppy with no obligations or questioning involved. I know some people who do this are actually good owners, but most of them, simply are not. They want instant results, and when that puppy won't stop peeing on the carpet or when that puppy isn't tiny & cute, it ends up in a shelter. Hence the reason that nearly 50% of puppies go through the shelter system before age 2.

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If you actually lived in the city i live you would know how shelters will reject you. And NOT only me but i have asked million of people who could NOT adopt. And NO if i want a dog i have the right to get a dog actually. I wont just NOT get one because the shelter rejected me, thats wrong. There are MANY people out there like the "Beagle lady" i would get a dog from instead of NOT having one. Everyone deserves the love from a wonderful companion, just because you cant adopt does not mean you stop there.

What if that BYB puppy ends up with parvo? Or with a genetic health issue, like hip dysplasia, before they're even 1 year old? You have no contract to guarantee your puppy's health. You have nothing. You're going to be shelling out $1000's, instead of paying the extra few hundred dollars for a well-bred puppy. I know starving college kids who saved up to buy from a reputable breeder, for over a year. It isn't impossible, for pretty much anyone.

You have talked to millions of people? Wow. That's pretty intense.

I'm not saying you cannot support a BYB. You can do whatever you want to do. But, I would rather be dog-less than giving money to people who are responsible for the deaths of millions of dogs, and that's just me.

And, I completely disagree with your last statement. NOT everyone deserves the love of a dog... because NOT everyone has the time/commitment/money/responsibility to own a dog. Which is exactly why shelters and rescues try to screen homes as best they can; they don't want to get that dog back in 6 months, and repeat the cycle. It is not fair, to the dogs.

My definition is my ex SIL (thank goodness). She's got two small dogs of different breeds. Refuses to spay or neuter either. Lets them breed and sells them, of course. Because it's all about the money. Made me sick when I had to go over there and see those puppies. She has been through so many animals. Oh, a long time ago, she was breeding some cats with no tails in a spare bedroom. She let a few of them die. I was uneducated back then but it still made me sick.

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Originally Posted by bckrazy

What if that BYB puppy ends up with parvo? Or with a genetic health issue, like hip dysplasia, before they're even 1 year old? You have no contract to guarantee your puppy's health. You have nothing. You're going to be shelling out $1000's, instead of paying the extra few hundred dollars for a well-bred puppy. I know starving college kids who saved up to buy from a reputable breeder, for over a year. It isn't impossible, for pretty much anyone.

You have talked to millions of people? Wow. That's pretty intense.

I'm not saying you cannot support a BYB. You can do whatever you want to do. But, I would rather be dog-less than giving money to people who are responsible for the deaths of millions of dogs, and that's just me.

And, I completely disagree with your last statement. NOT everyone deserves the love of a dog... because NOT everyone has the time/commitment/money/responsibility to own a dog. Which is exactly why shelters and rescues try to screen homes as best they can; they don't want to get that dog back in 6 months, and repeat the cycle. It is not fair, to the dogs.

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Is a figure of speech when i said millions, geesh. And YES everyone looking for a dog deserves to have one. And how about if the puppy does not endup with parvo? Huh? Is more than a 50% she/he wont, and will live a healthy life, thats if you know how to pick. I would of bought a Beagle puppy from the lady i talked about with my eyes closed, no doubt about it. You need to know how to pick, some people loved their animals some dont, period.

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Originally Posted by ScottieMommy

Is a figure of speech when i said millions, geesh. And YES everyone looking for a dog deserves to have one. And how about if the puppy does not endup with parvo? Huh? Is more than a 50% she/he wont, and will live a healthy life, thats if you know how to pick. I would of bought a Beagle puppy from the lady i talked about with my eyes closed, no doubt about it. You need to know how to pick, some people loved their animals some dont, period.

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uhhhh. I don't even know what to say to most of that.

Where did you get your 50% statistic? And, do you know the early, early signs of Parvo? Or the signs of a puppy that is destined to suffer from genetic health issues? There aren't any, to speak of. You are taking a complete crapshoot, and if that's your thing, I can't stop you.

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Originally Posted by bckrazy

uhhhh. I don't even know what to say to most of that.

Where did you get your 50% statistic? And, do you know the early, early signs of Parvo? Or the signs of a puppy that is destined to suffer from genetic health issues? There aren't any, to speak of. You are taking a complete crapshoot, and if that's your thing, I can't stop you.

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Yupp well.. umm bye i am leaving this thread. Is pointless you have your opinion i have mine.

NOT everybody deserves a dog. How do we know the adopter has enough time for a dog? How do we know they are financially able to care for the dog? How do we know they are physically capable of caring for that dog? How do we know they aren't acting on impulse?? Screening and homechecks are put in place to ensure that every dog we adopt out is placed into a FOREVER home. Have you ever had a bounce back? Do you understand how heart-wrenching and how unfair it is for the dog to adopt it out and have it returned several months later because the family "doesn't have enough time"??

FYI, I was rejected the first time I tried to adopt a greyhound. I did a little research and I found out that this particular rescue was very bigoted. I tried another rescue (thank goodness) and ended up with Giselle. I wanted a dog, not instant gratification. I reassessed my own situation, considered why I was rejected, spoke with other greyhound owners, and decided that I should try again. Rejections happen. Some are legitimate. Some are not. Your responsibility as a dog owner is to reassess yourself, your lifestyle, and whether or not you really are capable of caring for a dog in your current situation. A dog is a living being. If this all seems a bit much, well, it has to be when you're dealing with adopting out living, breathing, feeling creatures.

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And i wonder why there is only 1 pup,Very odd for the Aussie and Poodle Breed to only produce one pup..