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I have to agree with the last two posts. The point of donating was to get the animal spayed, and it happened. I think this thread should be locked or deleted so as to not have more people making speculations about the animals care or the owners' situation.
Yes, Gizzie has been spayed but Bri would like to get all the other animals taken care of and UTD on shots etc. Her mom won't allow for the money she makes to go towards the animals, instead her mom puts all the money towards bills and debt.
I'm not going to go further into the details, as I have to talk with Bri first.
And, like Candance said- You are not sure how often Roxy gets allowed inside. It is not only for photoshoots. She sleeps inside almost every night and is allowed inside for most of the day as well. I have talked to Bri over the phone before and on IM many times, so I know she is telling me the truth. Wether you believe it or not is up to you.
Your right I should have brought Roxy into this. The comment about maybe she isn't on because her internet may have gotten disconnected just seemed like a low blow for sympathy so I responded in kind. I should not have done that.
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Originally Posted by dogzr#1
WHO is the "she" in the quoted sentence above?
Mom won't allow for the money that BRI makes ...
or Mom won't allow the money that MOM makes --- to go towards the Animals.
Which is it?
And that begs the Question -
Just WHO IS Responsible for financially taking care of the Animals???
Bri, Mom, or Pet Talk?
I guess that is what is irking me, there are many on here that sacrifice so there animals can be well taken care of and Bri blatantly flaunts her expeditures on herself and defends it, it just seems pretty rude to me.
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about the $90 outfit. She got that money because of her birthday. Her mom and dad both gave her money because for the past two years, she didn't get anything for her birthday. So, she spent it on NICE clothes from a good store and she will be able to wear this outfit many times.
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She got a camera for her birthday last year.
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She is also helping her other animals right now, but hasn't made a thread on PT about it.
Bri has mentioned on this forum that her mom had to declare bankruptcy a while back...and taking care of the animals was ok before then. Everything was.Quote:
Her mom won't allow for the money she[MOM] makes to go towards the animals, instead her mom puts all the money towards bills and debt.
So...she actually gets to buy a good set of clothes she can get a lot of wear out of (not a fancy birthday outfit), and a camera last year...and was given a purse and another item this year that would fetch $5 each at a garage sale.
Clothes - maybe $10 for the lot, if she is lucky.
Yeah...spoiled rotten, I'd say.
Bri mentioned once that her mom didn't know how to use the computer. LPN's who are temping use computers all right - but are not Googling at work, if they have internet access at all. (Temping - the FT job fell through).
So - anyone want to rehome the rest of the pets?
Exactly!! If Bri's Mom wont allow money to be spent on the animals, then they shouldnt have ANY!!! WTH??? I have heard this from Bri time and time again! If mom dosent want her hard earned money to go to Bri's animals, then either Bri needs to take care of them on her OWN, or find them all a new home where they will get the proper care they DESERVE!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cinder & Smoke
I declared bankruptcy, Am I asking for hand outs?? NO!Quote:
Originally Posted by Catty1
:rolleyes: this whole thing is ridicolous. :rolleyes:
There is no doubt in my mind she knew she has upset people and take advantage of them. I'm pretty sure she left PT as I haven't seen her posts in awhile. I'm really not willing to get involved in this whole thing, but I firmly stand by my original opinion on page 2 and I'm sorry to any people were taken advantage of. All they were doing was trying to help..
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Originally Posted by dukedogsmom
but Val - I know you and I don't see eyeball to eyeball often but on this -
I'm in 1000000000000% agreement....
LMAO! We agree on more than you think.Quote:
Originally Posted by shais_mom
I'm sorry.... this is utterly ridiculous.
When I was in my financial mess last year, I did receive donations. I never asked for them but they came and they made my year. I was honored and blessed to have people trust me like that. Did I take their cash then say "oh cool, now instead of paying $350 towards medical bills I can now go to the mall!" No. I paid off some late bills and considered myself the most humbled woman in the world. I would have NEVER bought anything remotely unnecessary at the time.... heck I'm still that way! I'd be SO ASHAMED to receive money then pay $90 for a pile of outfits, let alone one outfit. And if I did, I certainly wouldn't be arrogant enough to post it to the very same people who gave me the money! Its like saying "yeah, thanks for the extra cash - now we don't have to waste our money on important stuff. We get to use our money for fun things!" Appalling!
I never asked for help yet received it. I am eternally grateful. I will always offer help to others whenever I can do so. Thats what life is all about. But some people come and take advantage of other people's generosity and ruin it for the genuine people out there.
anyone who donated THEIR hard earned money has a right to be outraged. They gave their money because they were concerned about the health and welfare of an animal. They also cared for a young PTer who was powerless to change the circumstances. They thought they were helping someone who needed it. They gave whatever they could out of true human goodness. They didn't expect anything in return, except perhaps gratitude and the good feeling of helping someone get out of a bad financial problem. But that good feeling is ripped out from underneath you when you realize the person you helped is basically saying they won't change their financial carelessness... they refuse to get themselves out of their mess.
I actually feel sorry for Bri... she's never going to change her life. They're always going to be one step ahead of evictions and power-cut-offs. and not because they aren't making enough money, but because they can't make responsible choices with their money.
I have written to Bri. I have asked if she or her mom is getting any sort of counseling. The situation is not hopeless, though. Bri is young, and can learn from her mother's experiences, and as she ages, will gain perspective on things. And even her mother might improve with external, professional help.
I've been following the threads for awhile now... and I must say, for face-value, it makes me sad. Just... sad. I won't go into a long speech, I won't point fingers or point blame, I'm just really sad that there are animals out there that need care and apparently aren't getting the care they need because of financial problems. I wish the best for these animals and everyone involved, and pray everything works out for everyone in the end.
I don't know the person in this thread, but have just recently learned, you cannot just 'give' someone money with the thinking that they will spend it either the way they say or the way that YOU think they should spend it.
When you give someone money/donation - in any amount, then be prepared for them to spend it on whatever THEY see fit.
My lesson was learned the hard way, so therefore I now do not give money to any PERSON, only to organizations, and even they use it as they please.
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Originally Posted by dukedogsmom
I'm not entirely sure what you think is ridiculous? The fact that this thread is happening at all or the fact that Bri thinks she is entitled to Pet Talk's money.. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by luvofallhorses
I certainly understand putting forth your money towards bills and debt. - I'm a single person myself - we are not all heartless and silly headed as you think we are Catty- But the fact of the matter is if her mom refuses to allow what little money BOTH of them make - for their pets -
then they should NOT have them. I don't tell people to rehome their pets lightly - believe me - I only suggest it when I think it is needed. And I think in this case it is better for the pets.
As I stated in the previous thread - I thought we've gotten our chain yanked from the beginning and warning signs hit me full in the face - like a Nuclear bomb - where when the Previous Pom (in her avatar) needed vet care and her mom didn't have the money to take her and she died- and then like 3 months later they have the hundreds of dollars it takes to buy another one. Everytime I mention this Bri throws it in my face saying I have no right to mention it - well Yes I do - she made it public knowledge as she's made most (not all) of her life over the last 2 years. So its fair game. And the fact that she brags or thinks it is funny that they are on food stamps and they are using food stamps to pay to feed Roxey.
in my almost 7 years here on Pet Talk and in alllll the time that I have donated my money to worthy people - not ONCE - NOT ONCE - has that person that I sent the money too been the one that asked for it.
Ever.
So the fact that she thinks that Pet Talk is her own personal bank and that she is entitled to the good people here that DID donate to her - to their money - just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. And has since this whole thing started.
Well I always thought those hundreds for both poms...I think its about 900 for both of them should have went to a 400 dollar enclosure for roxy so she would not have to live on a chain. That was shot down because it wasn't their house, its just excuse after excuse.
I feel like I know luvofallhorses pretty well and I don't think she thinks the people that are being critical are ridiculous, that is just my opinion because her and I seem to agree on so much.
But at least we have done good, in helping Bri convince her mother - and remember, she worked very hard doing that - that Roxy could be - and now is, happily, an inside doggie!
I hope that didn't come off as a rude question b/c I didn't intend for it to sound that way -Quote:
Originally Posted by caseysmom
I don't think it did.
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Originally Posted by caseysmom
I'm sorry but in all honesty
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Originally Posted by dogzr#1
unless we do as it is suggested here??Quote:
Originally Posted by Karen
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Originally Posted by Catty1
This irritates me to no end...I had over $900 in unexpected expenses this month (and I make $1200 a month) and I still managed to get Jasper in to the vet when he needed it....exam, booster vaccinations, license renewal...total=$150. More than it costs to get an animal sterilized. Without scamming people for money.
What's going to happen if one of the unspayed dogs gets a pyometra? That's a $2,000 or more surgery that could be prevented with a $100 spay. Will they just be PTS?
Staci,
caseysmom is right. I meant the whole thing is ridicolous. Bri asking for money when she bought expensive things that she could have used towards Skye and Lily being spayed among getting shots, check ups, etc. I assume that Skye and Lily aren't spayed, right? Please correct me if I am wrong.
It would be horrible if Skye or Lily snuck out and got pregnant.
Bri,
I know you're young and all but you need to find a way atleast babysit or petsit, walk dogs, etc. to earn money if your mom won't spay or get proper vet care for your animals. even if you get allowance save it up so they can be spayed and get shots and check ups.
you should always have an emergency savings accounts for things if one of your pets got into something toxic, blocked from eating a bone, etc. have your mom get one, it is very important and a lot of vets atleast the vets where I live will do a payment plan. please look into that. :)
Ok, I just read through the link posted to cat general.
I think it is sad, and nothing more.
I refuse to help people who don't help themselves.
I understand that people are upset about the whole situation, in all honesty, I am too. But, the latest deleted thread is no real surprise. Almost everyone on here understood that Bri needed someone to take charge of the medical needs of her animals because neither she nor her mother were able or willing to care for their veterinary or behavioral needs. Rather than train Roxy how to behave, chain her outside. Rather than deal with a peeing cat, have it spayed (although she did need to be spayed anyway). Problems like these have been appearing since October 2005, there is no reason for anyone to really believe that because someone decided to ask Pet Talk to pay for the vet bills that the people in the house will suddenly understand what it takes to care for the animals.
With all due respect to you Phred (and I really do mean that), I am just as glad that those threads disappeared. I think they show the worst of Pet Talk. So much bad advice and so many ignorant comments, is not what Pet Talk should be about. As to people learning about being taken advantage of by reviewing those types of threads, well, people are going to believe what they want to believe, and can come up with all kinds of excuses as to how the present situation is different. There were people who tried to make others see that they were being taken adventage of and those people were told that they could confine their opinions to PMs while new threads were being opened to promote the begging. No I am not sorry those threads went away at all.
I haven't been on for a few days, so I must have missed the latest request for donations thread. Did Bri make another thread saying that she got a $90 outfit? Sorry, I did read through this thread, but I missed quite a bit of the story and got confused.
I honestly think that Bri and her mom need some counseling. It just seems like one thing after another (or is it just me? :confused: ). One day they don't have the money to pay the electric bill so the electricity gets cut off, the next she is going to see POTC three times in the theater and asking people to buy all kinds of POTC items on ebay for her (with her paying them back) since she's not old enough to have an account. I understand she is young, and that she has a lot to learn, but her it seems as though her mother is not doing her any favors. IMO the pets need to be rehomed.
So for $10 more from that $90 outfit she got, it could have spayed a dog.Quote:
What's going to happen if one of the unspayed dogs gets a pyometra? That's a $2,000 or more surgery that could be prevented with a $100 spay. Will they just be PTS?
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Actually the prices for small dogs wasn't even that high at the low cost shelter near her home. She could have had Lilly or Skye spayed and all caught up on shots for that outfit. She could have had Roxy's shots done with the money she spent on seeing POTC more than once. It's all about priorities when living things depend on you.
I have been trying to stay on top of all of the threads, and I have rarely, if ever posted. I have to say that I have been disgusted with what I have seen/read in Bri's posts, but I had to keep reminding myself that she is only a child. And sadly, it appears that she is a child whose Mother has no financial responsibility.
I know that Bri has made some poor choices in the past, and I have to admit that I was VERY SURPRISED that, after all of the brohaha from the last thread asking for spay money for her Gizzie, she once again asked for money from PTers.
I am single, working for a non-profit, (read: making very little money! :rolleyes: ) but I still manage to help others when I can. Something from the very beginning of this has told me that this is a scam, and I have not made any donations. I am sorry for those who have been taken.
I can only hope that Bri's absence in THIS thread is because she is embarrassed and has learned her lesson. Karen, I agree, she and her Mother need some counseling. But I am not starting a thread asking for donations for their therapy sessions! ;) :D (my attempt at some levity here)
Great. Back from my brief vacation, and my dear friend, PCB, brougth this to my attention. I. Told. You. So. Come on. The definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over again, and expect different results. This has been going on for so freaking long.
Catty1- the term is "enabler". For those of us that have been on here for years, and heard the saga, the half-truths, the excuses, etc., it is so totally old. "She is a child", "she is doing the best she can", "nice outfit", "good value"- gag me with a spoon. I mean, totally. Your support of her and her situation is ridiculous, and I think indicates a poor choice in judgment on your part.
This is such a shame, for the poor animals involved. The people? Nah...they are making it just the way they want to- lots of crying, whining and excusing. It isn't situational, it is a choice.
No one in that family seems like they DESERVES pets. Yep. I am totally judging them. I would really have a problem if they lived near me, and, as a community of pet lovers, I don't get how anyone could support this behaviour.
I edited my post because Karen asked me too. I love how two faced those of you who cried to her about it are. (Not you, Karen).
May the way Bri and her family treats their pets weigh on YOUR heart.
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thanks Krista - I was just confused. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by luvofallhorses
I agree wholeheartedly with Joh.
Catty - your attempts at helping the less fortunate are definately noble and nothing to sneeze at. BUT I think that your actions are misguided when it comes to some issues here. I think you'd be far better off - finding people in your own area that you can actually SEE attempting at improving their lives - b/c its certainly seems that Bri and her mom may be trying - but it is 2 steps forward 4 steps back.
I think a good guideline for all of us who try to help in these situations is that instead of donating to the person -- get the vet information. Mail the check directly to the vet. Specify it is to be used for so-in-so's account. That way, there will be no question as to how the money is spend.
That IS what was done in this case ...Quote:
Instead of donating to the person -- get the vet information.
Mail the check directly to the vet.
Specify it is to be used for so-in-so's account.
That way, there will be no question as to how the money is spend.
We had a Trusted Pet Talker in the US that served as The Banker ...
Donations went to her and then SHE took care of sending the money directly to The Vet.
There have been a few "errors" in some of the posts here - None (or VERY little)
of the Pet Talk Donated money was spent for anything other than the Pets' direct Vet care.
The Objections to money being poorly spent come from the fact that the OWNERS chose
to spend THEIR money on THEMSELVES, and not on the Pets' Vet Needs.
The Owners' "personal spending" was for things that some of us felt were not
nearly as important as the Pets' Vet Needs.
;)
That's what was done for Bri. Catty1 researched it very thoroughly and a Pay Pal account was even set up. It's my understanding that the Pay Pal account is still active and the only thing standing between Bri's pets and the veterinary care they need is financing.Quote:
Originally Posted by kuhio98
There were four really good reasons. One of which has been taken care of. Which brings me back to my original question: The balance in the fund is at $20 and nothing further can be done for Bri's pets until the finances are available? Correct? If there are not going to be any more donors, what happens to the monies in the account currently?Quote:
Begging for Money, without there being a really good and well documented reason
Okay I haven't read thru all the posts, but I have to clear something up involving the $90 outfit. She got $106 for her birthday, from her mom, dad and Grandpa. She told me she wanted to use the money to get Lily spayed but her mother wouldn't let her 'waste' her birthday money on her animals. Her Mom got mad that she (Bri) wanted to get her bettas a new tank. So I'm sure Bri wanted to help Lily and Skye to get spayed, but her mother wouldn't allow it.
I know many people have PMed Bri and haven't gotten a reply, and I have yet to see Bri online either. I won't say anything more until I get her consent. I don't think she'll appreciate it if I went around telling part of her life.
That's all well and good if that's the truth, but in that case, since her mother won't "allow" her to use her birthday money on the animals, and her mother will not pay for the animals, then for the sake of the animals they need to be rehomed to someone who will put their needs above human wants and get them proper care, rather than continuing down this path. If this is all true then the pets need to come first, not Briana's wants and desire to have them. They are NOT coming first, they are not getting adequate care. The money IS there, it's just not being used appropriately for whatever reason. You can make all the excuses you like for her, it does not change the fact that if they cannot or will not provide proper medical care for so many pets, then some or all need to be rehomed to allow for proper care.
Yeah that sucks, but sometimes doing the right thing for the animals sucks for us. This is not a sudden emergency, this is routine care that people need to do for animals they bring into their lives. It didn't come out of nowhere and if they can afford cell phones, new cameras, birthday money, cigarettes, eating fast food often as Briana has claimed, and rental of a computer, as well as internet, they could have set aside 5-10 dollars a month for the animal needs. If her mom does not WANT to care for the animals, they need to go to a home that will.
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Originally Posted by Vela
b/c Bri stated herself that her mom smoked.
I'd bet her mom always has money for cigs even when she can't afford the electric bill.
Kuhio- actually way back when this whole thing started - Bri asked for cash or checks to be sent to her for spaying of the animals. That would be a red flag for me sending a check to a 14 year old. B/c then right after she asked for that - she went to see Pirates of the Caribbean like 2-3 times in a weekend.
Now I just went to the matinee 2 weeks - ago - and it was $5.50 so even @ $5 for tickets- it would still have been $10-15 for the movies altogether - not to mention anything to eat or drink (which I do not know if she did)
that is when the paypal acct was set up.
ok - phred - you've beat this horse dead a couple times over -
time to move on before Karen gets fed up with us and deletes this one.