I am stunned, again, that there is anyone on here that would think, in this particular situation, that shifting ANY blame towards the parents is reasonable.
What, is her brother at fault, too, for yelling "nana nana boo boo" too many times? Or, maybe because he made fun of her for having bad skin?
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And I thought ignoring women made them go crazy. :confused:
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Richard, That's a myth.
It's really quite the opposite. Trust me. :p
Great, so the blood didn't show up on their black clothes. Really, what's the point in mentioning that? Goths are not inherently more murderous than anyone else. I'm not trying to be mean, honestly, but I hate stereotypes. I'm not a Goth by any means, but a close friend of mine is, and she would never even talk about killing someone, let alone do it.Quote:
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You look at the fact that the man would have sex with a preteen, and that she was consenting, that should tell you how messed up in the head the both of them were.
Hi, Terrierman - yes, someone else addressed this earlier in the thread, and I admitted not posting any detail about it. Since the older guy in this was already on crack and various things, his goth 'membership' would have been darker than most, and was. Lots of other folks were on that same internet site, and were doing it for fun, if you know what I mean. A minority were on Jeremy's side, pulling for him after his arrest.
So I didn't mean to generalize, and I apologize for that. There are types of people that don't do well in Goth culture (or excel at it, however you look at it), and this guy was one of them.
It's like anything - you can't screen the determined extremists that will take things to heart and action.
there were some letters the girl wrote published in my local paper the other day, the girl was seriously disturbed, and her "teenage hatred" clearly ran much deeper then normal. what bothered me was the girl admitting the she stabbed her bother "only once, and not hard!" and that she also admitted to choking her brother but "only to put him to sleep so he would not hear his parents being murdered downstairs" as if this actually exuses her? she claims that she never meant it seriously, but she was THERE when her family was murdered. she didnt try to stop it, she HELPED. a triple murder is a triple murder, and 12 is old enugh to understand what she is doing.
I am sure there is a lot more to come, this story is more complex and there will be undercurrents here. My question at this point is how did the girl get this way? It will be interesting to see the facts. Perhaps as a society we can learn something from this horrible tragedy.
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1) Mental illness is stigmatized - you don't want your schoolmates knowing you're "cuckoo," and you don't want your neighbors knowing your kid is "cuckoo."
2) Medical care is fast becoming a privilege for the rich. Even if she were herded through a high-speed HMO checkup annually, this kid's illness probably wouldn't show up unless her folks heeded the clues, took the plunge, braved the potential ostracism, and had her evaluated for mental illness (most likely at their own expense, as "Managed Care" doesn't encourage diagnostics that might leave them no contractual recourse but to pay for treatment).
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But this was in Canada. You know, the wonderful national medical system we are theoretically insane if we don't emulate? EVERYONE gets medical care in Canada, Gratis.Quote:
2) Medical care is fast becoming a privilege for the rich.
Even mental health? Wow... I know that at least accessible substance detox programs would be really helpful where I live (Boston).Quote:
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I do acknowledge that some folks would consider even blatant hatred "teen rebellion" and try to punish it out of their kids, though, whether or not medical care was available. (insert oobleck recipe here)
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There are almost as many possibilites as mental disorders.
1) She could have been molested by her father or close relative.
2) Her parents could be drug users.
3) Her parents could have been drunks.
4) She or her parents could be suffering from depression, obbsessive disorders, multi-personality and the list goes on.
Someone, somewhere failed this girl. Be it the parents, friends, society.
I think it's a little of both. This girl did not go bad in one day. There were signs, there were hurts inflicted and no help came. I have a friend who's daughter was molested by the uncle and mom and dad just couldn't bring themselves to take this girl to therapy. Mom is depressed, dad was ashamed. This poor girl has done so many horrible, unspeakable things. Acting out in pain and confusion. Had she gotten the help she needed her life would be much different now.
Remember this girl is only 12 and at that age adults seem very smart and powerful. If she had a close loving relationship with her parents or another relative this would not have happened. All kids get mad at their parents, lucky most of our kids don't kill us. This isn't a matter of a girl who got mad, this is a matter of pain so deep and so overwelming that she struck out in an equally painful way. No 12 year old dates someone this age unless they cannot relate, respect, confide, in their parent or parents. All of us that have raised girls that age understand how frightened, confused, shy, embrassessed, overwelmed, they are on a daily basis. It is such a time of growth and confusion. One minute they are playing with Barbie's the next they are pushing you away. One minute it's mommy come sit with me and lets watch a movie together and the next hour she is in her room wanting nothing to do with you. Normal behavior but still loving and 12 year olds still come to mom and dad and know we can fix just about anything. At 12 they still sometimes sit on your lap, want tons of hugs and kisses. Request pink cupcakes with lots of sprinkles and ask you to buy them sparkle nail polish. That is normal. Dating a 20 something is not. I believe this girl was hurt by someone, someone she loved and trusted and that trust was so broken that she could no longer go to mom and dad. Did her parents break that trust. Time will tell. The other answer could be deep deep mental illness on her part, if that was the case her parents should have had her in therapy and a restraining order issued for el-creepo.
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