No-Name and stray cat *pictures* *UPDATE post 12**

Thank you :)

The lady my dad took the cat from is not MY aunt its my dad's. So she's my great aunt, and she is not in good shape, she needs to be in a nursing home.

I would be staying with my aunt and uncle, my dad's brother. I've talked to my parents about this and they refuse to let me stay here. They said I have to try living in Arizona for a year and then we will see after that. I'm saving all my money from work this summer, and selling my horse so I can come back often to see my family, friends, and boyfriend. I don't know if the dogs are comming with yet. My grandpa's dog was hit by a car 3 weeks ago, and now he wants to keep Maggie and Autumn. I really don't want to leave them behind, but my grandpa loves them dearly (he lives with us, but is not moving) and he wants to keep them here. A part of me wants to let them stay here, because when we move they would have to be locked up a lot when we aren't home, right now, the are NEVER locked up because someone is always here. But I love them so much and I don't want to leave them here either. I'm so confused on what to do with them.

ugg.. this is so stressfull. . i'm definently going to the school counsilor once school starts..

Also... I went to Grand Forks today, but unfortunatly it was with my dad. :rolleyes: I asked to go look for no-name but he refused. He did dump him in the trailer court by the interstate, I know that.

I asked him why he dumped him and he said, "well, I was gonna shoot him but I decided to just dump him and give him a chance to find a different home." :mad: :(

YOUR DAD NEEDS HELP!!! :mad: How can someone be such an @##? I wish you could stay with your grandfather.

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Originally Posted by Toby's my baby

I asked him why he dumped him and he said, "well, I was gonna shoot him but I decided to just dump him and give him a chance to find a different home." :mad: :(

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Unfortunately, this is the attitude that a lot of farmer/country people have. To many, it's an animal, not a pet.

I grew up on a 100acre farm in the Pocono Mtns. here in PA, and thank god my father was not like that. He wanted to be a vet growing up, but quit school in order to keep the farm running and had to get a FT job to help support the family. So, even though he was a farmer, he still cared a lot about the pets and wasn't the typical Dutchman. My great grandmother, on the other hand, was a harsh harsh woman. My dad said he remembers when HIS hound dog didn't do what she wanted it to do, and wasn't hunting the way it was supposed to, she just shot it right there in front of him.

My father has always been a softy and if thinks there's a stray cat or dog outside of our house on the farm, he puts out bowls of food for it every day. My mother said she thinks at one point he was feeding groundhogs, raccoons and opossums, lol. He doesn't even go hunting anymore, and we only ever used the deer etc... for food, he never did it for sport. He hates when I tell rescue animal stories, he will just break down and cry over abused and neglected animals. If he and I were the ones who were living on the farm, and my mom wasn't around, I think we'd have tons of animals, lol.

Farming and people growing up from back then can have some real different attitudes from the way we do now, or like I said, even eachother. Some younger farmers still view animals as animals and do not get attached. Sad but that's the way it is.

I do hope your dad gets help for whatever it is that is bothering him... although I doubt he sounds like the kind who will go in and sit down and talk about his feelings to anyone, lol. Too emotional of a thing to do.. shows vulnerability.

I do hope things improve. What is the age of consent to be considered an adult in your state?? Maybe you could actually, on your own, petition to stay back for your (last??) year of highschool? If 16 or 17 is considered an adult, you can get court documents that will allow you to do that. That would bypass dad and all you would need would be a place to stay(like the aunt and uncle's place). Check it out. It might make your dad upset, and I have no idea how old you are (I saw your pics in one of the other threads and thought you were a college kid... so many kids look so much older than they are these days!!), but it's a thought.

I Hate To See People Not Realize That Animals Are Our Fellow Inhabitants Of This Planet Not Our Slaves.
I Hope That Your Dad Gets Dumped Into A Nursing Home When He Gets Older And Has To Live In Squalor.
Thats Not A Good Thought But Anyone Who Who Dump A Cat Deserves That.
We Are Praying That You Are Independant Soon And Can Help As Many Strays As Possible.

OH!!! I did a search for Minnesota laws and here is a good link for teen issues and LEGAL AGE in Minnesota. It even talks about EMANCIPATION OF A MINOR. Which is what you could do if you wanted to stay in MN... might take some extra work on your part... but hey, it never hurts to try.
http://www.leg.state.mn.us/lrl/issues/legalage.asp

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Originally Posted by catmandu

I Hate To See People Not Realize That Animals Are Our Fellow Inhabitants Of This Planet Not Our Slaves.
I Hope That Your Dad Gets Dumped Into A Nursing Home When He Gets Older And Has To Live In Squalor.
Thats Not A Good Thought But Anyone Who Who Dump A Cat Deserves That.
We Are Praying That You Are Independant Soon And Can Help As Many Strays As Possible.

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MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY!

This spells it out more...

I'm 15, going on 18 like my dad always says ;). Yes, I know, I'm younger. I can not emancipate until I am 16, and that is 6 months away, also I have to have my parents consent, they need to say in court that I can care for myself and all that. Neither of my parents would EVER agree to this, it is pretty much out of the question. I told my dad I wanted to change my guardianship over to someone else, and he just laughed and said that I couldn't. . . I don't know what else I can do about this. .

Darn. Well that sucks. Sigh. You sure don't look 15, lol. I notice that with a lot of the kids I teach. You'd never think they are the ages they are (and I have 10-16yr olds, depending on how many times they've flunked). Some of our 7th and 8th grade boys have full mustaches, goatees and all that going on. When I started working at the middle school, I thought I was in an old episode of 21 Jump Street, lol. Our girls look a lot older too, and unfortunately some of them behave in a more mature way as well and have ended up pregnant too. 2 7th graders this year, and 5 8th graders.

Jenn - any idea what the MN laws say about someone under 16 years of age? Is there a Children's Aid of some kind that can go to bat for her legally, especially with a doctor's backup?

I've looked and it says it comes down to the parents... unless they are being endangered by the home, which I don't think would be the case, and that would just hurt everyone involved if that was said. I was hoping that she could fight for her own emanicipation, but MN doesn't give much rights to minors.

Unless she gets married, lol. I think that was the one breaking point. Ooops, just checked, even at 16 they need parental consent for that. Wonder what AZ law is like... that would be another way to go... move to AZ, and see what their laws are, and if you can get emancipated there w/out the parents' consent at 16, and then move back! Let me check on AZ laws,lol.

I love being a research librarian!

From this site I searched EMANCIPATION:
http://www.azleg.gov/SearchResults.a...0&Scope=%2Fars





12-2451. Petition for emancipation order; requirements; notification; representation; waiver of filing fees

A. A minor who wishes to be emancipated may file a petition for an emancipation order with the clerk of the court in the county in which the minor resides if all of the following apply:

1. The minor is at least sixteen years of age.

2. The minor is a resident of this state.

3. The minor is financially self-sufficient.

4. The minor acknowledges in writing that the minor has read and understands information that is provided by the court and that explains the rights and obligations of an emancipated minor and the potential risks and consequences of emancipation.

5. The minor is not a ward of the court and is not in the care, custody and control of a state agency.

B. A petition filed pursuant to this section must contain the following:

1. The petitioner's name, mailing address, social security number and date of birth.

2. The name and mailing address of the petitioner's parent or legal guardian if known.

3. Specific facts to support the petition, including:

(a) The minor's demonstrated ability to manage the minor's financial affairs including proof of employment or other means of support.

(b) The minor's demonstrated ability to manage the minor's personal and social affairs, including proof of housing.

(c) The minor's demonstrated ability to live wholly independent of the minor's parent.

(d) The minor's demonstrated ability and commitment to obtain or maintain education, vocational training or employment.

(e) How the minor will obtain or maintain health care.

(f) Any other information considered necessary to support the petition.

(g) At least one of the following:

(i) Documentation that The minor has been living on the minor's own for at least three consecutive months.

(ii) A statement explaining why the minor believes the home of the minor's parent or legal guardian is not a healthy or safe environment.

(iii) A notarized statement that contains written consent to the emancipation and an explanation by the minor's parent or legal guardian.

C. The court shall hold a hearing on the petition within ninety days after the date of its filing and shall notify the petitioner and the petitioner's parent or legal guardian of the date and place of the hearing by certified mail at least sixty days before the hearing date. For good cause shown, the court may continue the initial emancipation hearing.

D. The minor's parent or legal guardian may file a written response objecting to the emancipation within thirty days of service of the notice of the hearing.

E. The minor may participate in the court proceedings on the minor's own behalf or be represented by an attorney chosen by the minor. If the court determines it necessary, the court may appoint a guardian ad litem for the petitioner.

F. The court may reduce or waive the fee prescribed in section 12-284 for filing a petition for emancipation of a minor for financial hardship.

12-2453. Factors; best interests of minor; burden of proof; emancipation orders; filing requirements

A. The court shall determine emancipation based on the best interests of the minor and shall consider all relevant factors, including:

1. The potential risks and consequences of emancipation and to what degree the minor understands these risks and consequences.

2. The wishes of the minor.

3. The opinions and recommendations of the minor's parent or guardian.

4. The financial resources of the minor, including the minor's employment history.

5. The minor's ability to be financially self-sufficient.

6. The minor's level of education and the minor's success in school.

7. Whether the minor has a criminal record.

B. The minor has the burden of proof by clear and convincing evidence.

C. The court shall file an emancipation order with the clerk of the court and issue a copy of the order to the minor and the department of economic security or its agent, if the minor is a child in a title IV-D case.

D. An emancipation order issued by a court pursuant to this article:

1. Is conclusive evidence that the minor is emancipated.

2. Terminates a dependency action as to the minor by operation of law.

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Originally Posted by jenn_librarian

2 7th graders this year, and 5 8th graders.

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Wow... that is sad.


This is all so confusing. . . I think I'm just going to leave it alone for now, and see how much things change when we move to Arizona. If things are still the same then I'll go from there to decide what I am going to do about this situation. Hopefully once I am with my mom things will settle down and I won't have to be around him so much.