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Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
I would blame this bothersome habit on her pregnancy, but it's probably not
that at all. Probably just one of those people who love to argue. ;)
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Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
I would blame this bothersome habit on her pregnancy, but it's probably not
that at all. Probably just one of those people who love to argue. ;)
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Originally Posted by Lady's Human
So if it was an emergency you would call around to find a hospital that allowed cell phone use?
If you ended up in a hospital that didn't allow cell phone use would you request a transfer.
The hospital I am going to is very small and personal. They dont allow cell phone use... as I said it is a very tiny hospital. it is a half hour away but they offer better personal care than the large hospitals. (at least the ones around here)
See my problem isn't really the people that are AWARE that people around them are sick and what not and they can keep their voice down and their ringers off.... but that is not the majority of people. If everyone had the common sense to turn the ringer off and talk very quietly on a cell phone in a hospital I might not be so objected to it's use in a hospital. BUT too many people seem to be lacking that whole common sense thing and don't understand that not everyone wants to hear their favourite song blaring out of their phone... or how drunk they got last night lol. Especially when they are ill enough to be in the hospital. And since I don't think the Dr's should have to babysit people who don't have common sense... cell phone use should be restricted to private rooms or a cell phone designated area at the very least.
It makes me think of the signature line someone has....."I'm not young enough to know everything!"Quote:
Originally Posted by lizbud
I carry a cell phone and rarely use it. However, if a loved one was taken to the hospital, and I was there with them, I'd rather have the option to go to a quiet spot and use the cell phone there to notify and family members, and or contact clergy.
Sparks19, maybe you and everyone in your family is healthy, count your blessings for that. Have you never had to promise an elderly relative, "Yes, Auntie, I will call X and Y and Z as soon as I get home, I promise"? That was in the days before cell phones. If I had been able to call them right that minute, she would have been less upset. Have you never dealt with being in a hospital room that doesn't have a phone assigned to it yet? How nice it would be to be able to call home using a cell phone instead.
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Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
There you go. Exactly. :D :D
Well DUH... I am a red headed Canadian... and I am pregnant... You tell me ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by lizbud
However, this is the Dog house and is for debatable subjects.... or did that change and we are all shiny happy people holding hands ;)
Of course you two would NEVER be the center of a subject of debate ;) lol
Sorry if I hurt your feeling :o
Read my last post ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Karen
While my family is actually quite healthy I do have VERY elderly grandparents and one is on her way for a hip replacement at 86 years of age. My grandfather has had a few heart attacks... it is amazing he has lived to be almost 90... My grandmother died of liver cancer at 54.... my uncle has had multiple heart attacks.... my great grandmother had diabetes... but she also lived to be 89.
I have no problem with going to a quiet area to make your call.... and like I said.... I just don't think part of a Drs job is to babysit the people who can't use a cell phone respectfully so there should be a designated cell phone area to do so where you will not run the risk of disturbing anyone. I know I would feel terrible if I were to get a call on a cell phone that played "you are my sunshine" or something right in front of a mourning family.
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Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
I am personally partial to the signature "well excuse me for having enormous flaws that I don't work on"
AH Homer is classic.
Hey hey....lol......you're a redhead....you have a reason to argue.Quote:
Originally Posted by sparks19
Wom
Docs in a hospital don't babysit anyone but the patients they are helping.
There are many people on staff who have EXACTLY that job. Floor supervisors, orderlies, security....................
Both hospitals in this area allow cell phones inside. There are signs to "please turn off the ringer on your phone", but that's it.
I haven't seen any issues with cell phones in hospitals around here, despite spending entirely too much time in them in the last year.
You alternately make it sound like you want cell phones banned and you don't.
What you really want it for people to be responsible about using them, right?
I am always more in favor of people taking more personal responsibility, and less in favor of people trying to legislate against irresponsibility.
And what I meant is that you have never been the person responsible for an elderly relative, right? Not that I wish that on anyone, but I have been there, and done that.
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Originally Posted by Karen
Well considering we are 9 hours away from any family.... It makes it kind of hard. Of course I always tell my momma that i will take care of her when she becomes elderly. and I will if she allows it lol.
But my feeling is that hospital staff aren't paid to follow cell phone users around to make sure they aren't being obnoxious with them (as we can all agree that many cell users are) so there should be some kind of regulation or they should not allow them in the hospital at all. I just don't see the need to risk disrupting people that are dealing with the same thing (or worse) surely you wouldn't want to be disturbed by them. Step outside... go to a designated cell phone area (if there were such a thing) and turn it off when you aren't using it or at the very least turn off the ringer. Like I said, I would feel terrible if my cell phone went off with a happy go lucky ringer while another family was sitting their torn apart.
I don't want cell phones banned entirely.... there ARE times when they are nessecary. But I just don't think whereever you feel like it in a hospital is appropriate.
LOL Wombat..... I would be disgracing everything Red heads stand for if I was complacent and agreeable :D LOL my husband always tells his friends that he doesn't dare mess with a redheaded Canadian chick... who is pregnant. LOL he makes it sound like I abuse him. I don't even raise my voice to him lol I just like to debate (or disagree, if you will)... it's fun lol
I think you are worrying needlessly. I have never seen that be an issue. And usually "when a family is being torn apart" they are in a private area, not a public one anyway, and frankly, probably wouldn't even hear the cheeriest of songs if it played next to their head.
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Originally Posted by Karen
I don't mean finding out someone didn't make it... I mean when they are in the waiting room waiting to find out what happened and why they are there. You know they are racked with worry... as would I be. Perhaps hospitals here are different... but where I am from... the waiting room is the waiting room and everyone gets stuck there waiting for news or waiting for one to get out of surgery. I certainly wouldn't want to be caught laughing during a phone call... I would feel like a schmuck.... BUT some people don't think that way and would laugh and giggle away without thinking that others around them might not appreciate the noise etc. So I think there should be a designated area for emergency cell phone use.... or a sign requesting that people that are waiting please go outside to answer a call from a friend that is calling to say hi. IMO.
I have never been in a hospital where everyone waits in the same area. I guess that is the advantage of living in a major metropolitan area, but Emergency is separate from Surgery is separate from Maternity, etc.
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Originally Posted by Karen
OH well in that sense YES there are different waiting rooms. Emergency is not the same as the waiting room for admitted patients but when I had to have my unfortunate surgery my friend was my driver (of course this was in and out in the same day) and she was in a general waiting room... not emergency but a general waiting room for admitted patients not just surgery. Maternity is also a different area. I think.
Now the hospital I will be delivering at... I dont know because it is apparently a very small hospital.... it is in a small town about a half hour away from here. so I don't know how many different waiting rooms they have but maternity is on a totally different floor as far as I know and the waiting room is on the same floor I think.
Translation.....
You're getting annoyed/irritated/peeved about something you don't even know. :rolleyes:
About something I don't even know? you mean about the hospital here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
And what is with the eye rolling all the time LOL is that the "in" thing. Someday you might have to use your cell phone in the hospital to tell everyone they have to unroll your eyes :D
didn't your momma ever tell ya "if you keep making that face it's gonna stick that way" :D
I can answer that, as we shared a "momma." No, Ma never told us that, because she knew we'd know better. Faces don't "get stuck" except in cases of things like a stroke, and even then the face is just not able to do what it used to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by sparks19
Let's just say that the :rolleyes: is the most polite way I can think of to express the utter frustration I feel when trying to explain something to someone who is either willfully ignorant or just genuinely hasn't acquired the experience to understand.
great line. may i use it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
Why certainly!
Hahahaha.....that's a funny one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
From my experience here...Sparks is NEITHER "willfully ignorant or just genuinely hasn't acquired the experience to understand."
She has a very good point of view I feel...its ok for people to agree to disagree....isn't it ????
Wombat
Genuinely hasn't acquired the experience--------she's young and hasn't had the joy of hospital visits with a spouse or young children yet
Willful ignorance----------she refuses to acknowledge valid points from people who have been in situations where cell phones were a godsend.
Wombat, Disagreeing is fine.
It gets my hackles up, however, when people call for MORE regulation, when no one can enforce the regulations that are already in place.
Should people remain speechless in a hospital? After all, my joking conversation with the person next to me may offend someone else, and a one on one conversation is far easier to overhear than one end of a phone conversation.
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LOL well to be honest.... when they just start off rolling their eyes at me from the beginning of the thread... I just like to see the hackles raise more and more. the rolly eye thing is the "in" thing you know... all the cool kids are doin it. But you know I MUST see their valid points... even though I don't roll my eyes at them lol but that request is rarely returned lol and ALWAYS with rolly eyes hehehe. My view is... if you can't start out the debate without resorting to the roll eyes or sarcastic remarks (not nessecarily LH right away) then I shouldn't have to be the civil one either... it's not a fair request :D
hehe just teasin... I don't really care either way. But I believe that if they had actually read my posts they would see that I did concede to there being a time and place for the cell phone calls but that the hospital should not be responsible for babysitting the people who just MUST have their cell phone glued to them at all times at full volume. But apparently... that was not enough. I just don't get why people can't see that their loud cell phone ringers (that get more obnoxious each year with all the new special ring tones that you pay a fortune for) and their loud yakking and carrying on might not be appropriate in a hospital setting. If everyone were able to be curteous and be quiet... I might be more apt to agree with cell phone use in the hospital. But most cannot so I think there is a time and place for everything and you should at least try to find an area that isn't filled with people or patients to use your cell phone. I don't think that is an absurd request lol.
Karen, I remember my mom saying that to me one time and I purposely held the face I was making for a long time just to prove her wrong... it didn't stick... but boy was my face sore lol. What about the "if you don't sit back from the TV you will ruin your eye sight" I never believed that one and I have perfect eye sight... for now. but now both of my parents wear glasses so I know it's onlly a matter of time *bites nails anxiously* i wish we had a smiley for that lol a nailbiting smiley.
LH, people shouldn't remain speechless but they certainly should keep their talking to a dull roar. there is no need to be loud and obnoxious in a hospital. whisper.... and you can talk all you like. If you are talking loud enough that they can hear you down the hall... you should be asked to take your convo elsewhere. And apparently many people think you have to yell for the other person to hear you on a cell phone.
OHHHHHHH and those stupid walkie talkie phones. Now you don't even have to dial and hold the phone to your ear.... you can just press a button get a loud BEEP BEEP BEEP and get a loud voice projecting out of the speaker of the phone. Now I don't get those at all. There was a guy in the restaurant using one the other day LOL
Wow, I thought Sparks and her husband thought more rules would lead to the soul-sucking government to turn us all into robots. Careful, banning cell phones in hospitals will ultimately turn us into government-controlled slaves! ;) It's a slippery slope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
Seriously...I worked in a hospital for quite a while, and I have never once seen a doctor or nurse need to tell a patient or family member or ANYONE, to turn off their cell phone. If a cell phone was the most annoying distraction in a hospital, wouldn't we all be lucky?
Good gosh...LH...here we are agreeing again! (I'll not use a smilie as those seem to disturb the more thin-skinned among us!)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
I, too, am for more personal responsibility and LESS of the "Nanny State" of lots of rules and regulations. But some people like/need Big Brother/Big Sister telling them when they can speak and about what they can speak.
I was just at the gym and had this mental picture....The doc tells you granny is not doing well and you had better call the family. Do I have enough quarters for the pay phone? Do I have to run down to the first floor so I can go outside to use my cell phone (and hope my conversation won't bother the smokers out there!)
So, I hope there is a place where those who need lots of rules can go and a place for those of us who favor less!
Scary thread......
ES, Liz, Pembroke Corgi and I all agreeing.
I think a guy with horns on his head and a long red tail just went skiing by again..... :eek:
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AH but you see.... it is actually the removal of a rule :D Besides... It shouldn't have to be a rule... it should just be respect for the patients and their families. just like at the movies.... you don't find it sad that they have to TELL people to turn off their ringers? LOL isn't that just common sense? I just don't get what happened to that these days. They don't tell you not to talk during a movie... most people just GET that and refrain from talking (I say most lol not all) but they have to actually tell people to turn off their ringers? lol but I always like to tell those people that if they would like to discuss the movie while it's on perhaps they should consider renting :D
it's like commercials that say "cars cannot actually drive on buildings" I'm amazed they have to say these things. people don't just know that? lol
it makes me giggle inside just a little :cool:
How is banning cell phones in hospitals the removal of a rule?
When have you been to the movies last? I cannot remember a time when the trailers at the theater didn't include a "don"t add your own sound track" bit.
This weekend. Twice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karen
LOL it was actually a funny "commercial" a guy was begging his girl not to break up with him on his cell phone and a director comes into the picture (can't remember the directors name... it was like Sydney or something) and starts giving him direction on how to beg for his g/f back convincingly.... then the guy says to his g/f "um.... I gotta call you right back" and the director says "Oh I'm sorry is my directing interfering with your phone call"
LOL then it flashes up on the screen... we don't wreck your phone calls with our movies... please don't wreck our movies with your phone calls.
haha it was a funny commercial actually.
Hey and when did they start putting commercials at the beginning of movies lol not just previews but REAL commercials lol
LH, because cell phones were allowed to be on in hospitals because they once "thought" it interfered with the equipment.... that is how this thread started. LOL
The Rule was a ban of cellphones due to possible interference with hospital electronics.
The REMOVAL of the rule would be allowing cell phones to be used. (As is currently the practice. As evidence of this being the removal of a rule rather than creating a new rule, they simply removed the signs at our local hospital which advised people to turn off their cell phones. No new signs were posted)
Banning cellphones again would be REINSTATEMENT of a rule, not removal.
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*sigh*
What I meant was.... the rule shouldn't have been removed as it was... they should still have signs requesting people turn off their cell phones....at the very least their ringers and to have the courtesy to only use it when nessecary.
but again... this shouldn't have to be a rule. People should just have the courtesy to not have their ringers on or answer just any phone call from any Tom dick and harry. If you MUST use it for emergency FINE. but keep the ringer off and let unimportant calls go to voicemail. If you want to have a casual convo then you should go outside... it shouldn't have to be a rule you should just do it out of sheer respect for others around you in the hospital.
Now what if they find later that they were wrong and cell phones do cause some interference with the machines... although I've actually heard it is really the other way around.... apparently the machines do a number on the battery of the cell phones according to an EMT friend.
As far as I know(after working at a plant that built cellphone parts for 10 years), cellphones run on radio frequency. At least they did when I worked at that job. What hospital machines would they be affecting supposedly? Is this affecting equipment the same as in an airplane? Just curious.
If this is the case, and machines were being affected, why would they just be discovering it recently?
The worry with cellphones in hospitals was twofold.
One, the signals from the older, higher power analog phones did cause disruption in sensitive computer circuits. This would cause interference with medical monitors, as most med monitors are specialized computers. As cell phones are now using much lower powered digital signals, this is no longer a concern.
Some hospitals use wireless systems, and there was minor concern about interference with the wireless systems in use. Completely different frequencies, not a problem.
Hence the lift of the ban.
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They aren't just discovering it recently.... I was just saying.
I don't know what machines specifically but it's some of the monitors or something like that that they thought for years cell phones interfered with... that was why you were supposed to shut your phone off in the hospital. it was thought that it interfered with some of their equipment. then just recently (at least here anyway) some hospitals decided it wasn't true... other hospitals still believe it is possible and still tell you to turn off your cell phone.
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Originally Posted by Lady's Human
there you go D and D :D that should answer your question. i dont know what specific equipment they were worried about though
Thanks to both of you :)
I have a cell phone and I keep it turned off all the time unless I'm expecting a call from someone. I use it to call my family when I leave work. It comes in handy whenever I need to call someone while in the road. This is just my choice and may not be the choice of others.
I am quite often irritated by cell phone conversations if they're not showing respect for other people, when respect is called for. Working at a library, cellphones are not allowed but we have even become more lenient with those rules to accommodate the necessity of the phone calls. I think it's okay to use a cellphone, most anywhere, but respect is the key.
These days, convenience is our new way of life. No matter how much we object to alot of things, we might as well put up with them because they're not going anywhere. What the heck, I used to despise computers. Look at me now!! :rolleyes: On another note....what did we do before we got them?
sparks; I understand your point but I think it's just an issue of the proper use of the phone as opposed to banning them all together. Hospitals are very noisy and some of the most annoying places on earth, all by themselves(just ask Phred ;) ). I personally can't see why an occasional conversation on the phone would be noticed that much by anybody. If it becomes excessive, someone needs to say something about it if it's truly bothering them. JMHO :)
I almost forgot to throw in another observation of mine. Anytime I've been in the hospital, I hated it because it was lonely(hopefully this doesn't sound contradictory to what I've already said). Anyone who has been hospitalized probably knows what I mean. If I would have had a cell phone, I wouldn't have felt like I was trapped in a prison. Using the hospital phone just didn't appeal to me :)