Lindt chocolate anyone? Dark or milk?
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Lindt chocolate anyone? Dark or milk?
Dark... rofl.. lol..Quote:
Originally Posted by Ceph
choclate does wonders for relaxing the world...I eat it whenever one of my buddies does something stupid....ahh...choclate...
something about those endorphins....
snoreeeeeeeeeeeee must be working.. lol.. THANK YOU!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ceph
The kind with peanut butter in the middle. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ceph
Do you have any alcohol filled ones??
HIC... uhhhhhhh... what??? lolllllllll..Quote:
Originally Posted by areias
Hehehe...wait...I don't know. This morning's headache was a killer.
Ahh, nothing a bottle of aspirin won't fix. Pass the alcoholic chocolates to me!
** hic-*** sure... lol..Quote:
Originally Posted by areias
lol...this isnt good...I have to be up for a run at 5am tomorrow morning....lol...nothing like running still drunk (seriously, the funniest thing ever to watch other poeple do ;) )
I dunno...my dad just sent my this new chocolate with creme brulee in the center....it's divine...might just trump alcholic choclates....
ohhhhhhhhhhhh man *** hic*** and i didnt bring any cool whip... ** hic*** :D
There was an episode of one of those popular sitcoms...can't remember which one...but his wife was sitting there injecting donuts with liquor. Sounded good to me!
nm, started a thread for my question.
I have a question. I've been feeding Dasher Pro Plan Senior. Is that good? This is after spending a long time looking at all the different dog foods at Petco.
Smart little girl!! Yes - Merrick is a better quality grade in ingrediants than Iams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scooter's Mom
Pro Plan is one of those foods- if the chemistry of the food, and digestion works for your dog- it does so very well. The problems reported with pro plan are allergies- something a dog can get from any food that the mixture doesnt work for them. They use to use high levels of ethoxyquin and BHA, however- that has changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by dukedogsmom
If the food is working for her- I would stick with it- especially with a senior dog.
borzoimom, do you subscribe to Whole Dog Journal? The past 2 issues has been on the quality of dog foods (kibble & canned). They rate what they consider the best quality dog food. It's a very interesting article. PM if you would like a copy. :)
Pm sent- .. as you can tell, I collect dog food information. lol..
You are so right. I should know better, but that is what I did for 12 years. I got a cat, then another . . . and my vet said use Science Diet, so I did. Then 3 months ago, I adopted Sugar. Her foster mom was feeding Chicken Soup for the Dog Lover, but I couldn't find it in the stores I was in. Checked with my vet, followed his rec again, and so I got a bag of Science Diet dog. Sugar turned up her nose, refused to use it. . . . Hmm. Got a bag of Nutro Natural Choice. Again she refused to eat. Now it's been THREE DAYS and the dog is not eating! Needless to say, I am panicking!Quote:
Originally Posted by .sarah
So I got on line, found the Chicken Soup web site, and found a dealer near me. (Note: the dealers closest to me are pet stores, they sell puppies. I refuse to go to them. So I am traveling a bit.) Sugar ate to make up for not eating for three days. TA DAA!
Then I started asking here on Pet Talk. This is why I love Pet Talk. NOT for all the bickering and yacking, and yes I DO love seeing all your photos. But I value all the variety of backgrounds people bring to this site. And varied areas of expertise, trials and errors, experience and failure. EVERYONE who participates on here has some useful ideas and suggestions.
So I learned about what to look for in a pet food. I made some decisions based on my budget, my values. Then I moved back to the cat side and did some discussions there. And I looked at web sites for food.
Seven weeks ago, I switched the cats over to Chicken Soup for the Cat Lover. And they took to it right away. They refused to finish off the Science Diet! For years my vet told me cats only need to eat twice per day. And I replied that MY cats hadn't read that book! For the first time in 12 years of cat ownership, my cats are eating twice per day, NOT 5 and 6 times and more. They are more active. With no work on my part, the pudgy ones are trimming down. The oldest, Ruffles, developed hyperthyroidism in January and wasn't doing well, even on the meds. Changed her food and she is happy and healthy again! (yes, still on the meds, too.)
The cat Science Diet, the dog Science Diet and the dog Nutro all were donated to the city pound, as none of mine would touch it anymore.
I should know better. I should have known to read and learn about the food I am getting for my pets. Thank goodness for Pet Talk!!!!
Wow....I really don't know what else to say
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Originally Posted by lizbud
It is sad, really sad. I debated even responding, but I have to say that I am a bit worried about you borzoimom........
I am perfectly fine! I have been studying dog foods since the early 80's- out of necessity to feed my own dogs. Then as a trainer, as only a properly fed dog can compete at the level I was doing. Then of course- there were the puppies- trying to feed right from weaning as the organs of the pup start to develop and their bone structure as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by JenBKR
Its a very serious subject to me. EXTREMELY! And it makes me mad that some companies are just trying to make a buck, with little regard to the actual quality of their food. ITS NO different than the anger I have towards BYB's- they are doing the same type of thing- trying to make a buck with no regard to the actual health of the animals or the conditions of living the dogs live in.. Same thing- try to make a product with the cheapest ingredients you can find- regardless of the quality, for the highest price you can sell it for.
Case in point- several of the foods you can now get at Walmart- and even those sold at pet stores- use to cost alot more money! The main reason their price came down- was not " concern for the consumer paying this much money for their food- ..NOOOOO- the prices came down on those foods because with the Other foods- that are better in quality, and cheaper started to show up on the market. They had to lower the price on the market- or go under... People are getting smarter as time goes- but no longer do us dog show etc people believe every word they write- or their advertising either. You wouldnt buy a car based on a pretty sticker without looking under the hood or checking reports would you??? NEITHER would I..
AND LET ME note this- I have been feeding raw since 1984..- ever wonder why I have continued to look into dog food if I am " so happy " with raw???? The reason is simple- I keep waiting for some company to come up with a food that meets expectations across the board- and it hasn't happened yet!. I want a food that has human grade ingredients in ALL the ingredients, no preservatives known to cause cancer or even suspect of cancer, I want a product that is made well enough to not swell in the gut cause GVD ( bloat), and more convient than chopping up raw. I do not mind doing the raw as to me its a labor of love, And -at least I know FOR A FACT what is in that bowl I put down for my dogs- my kids- my love in life!
Had you asked for one, I'd have given you an amen at the end of the first post. I'm so glad I educated myself and switched to raw. We still don't expect Autumn to live past 10, but when she was younger I estimated 7. She's still got her mystery limp, but good food isn't going to fix it if its a nerve problem. Table scraps are better than commercial food, assuming the humans eat decent and not microwavable food every night. In fact, back when dogs were living long hard working lives, many got table scraps to live off of. They got a better variety of nutrients than commercial food offers.
Please keep this in mind IRescue= THEY told me when Hottie was 2 he would not make 5! He just turned 9. And he has his days, but even vet says that his longer life span is directly related to receiving equal balence of calcium and phosophrus-. These are bonding "agents" with each other- and if not the same in the food, it will make calcium deposits, or weaker bones etc. None of the foods at this point have equal amounts of both in the mix- except raw..Quote:
Originally Posted by IRescue452
How much longer does Hottie have? I do not know- but as I learned last year- DO NOT count the old man out. With his condition the vet said he is the same as a 15 year old dog. I wish I could go back in time when he was injured- been there, and taken him to a specialist.. But I cant change time or events- just how I deal with it since I got him.
Here is a video take last night of Hottie coming up the outside stairs- not bad at all Hottie Doodles.. View My Video
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Eeeeesh guys, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and I agree with Borzoimom. What triggered you to make this thread though? What happened??
Like buttercup said, some people need to calm down and grow up, ok?
IF YOU DONT HAVE SOMETHING NICE TO SAY DON'T SAY IT AT ALL!!
D*** I couldn't agree more!!Quote:
Originally Posted by buttercup132
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Originally Posted by IRescue452
Of the dogs/cats that come in to our hospital with diabetes and pancreatitis 99% of them are fed table scraps. Just ask our 2 most recent clients who lost their dogs to pancreatitis from feeding table scraps just ONE TIME! Type of food and fequency does make a serious difference.
I think Irescue meant- raw food- not from the table with over cooked meat enzymes and higher salt etc..Quote:
Originally Posted by Catlady711
Let me see if I have this correct, they fed their dog table scraps one time and it died? What table scaps did the dog get?Quote:
Originally Posted by Catlady711
I just don't get it. What did they feed the dog for it to just die like that?
That poor dog and that poor family. They must have felt guilty.
Stepping in for a quick question :)
What are your thoughts on Maximum?
I'm the type of person that reads the ingredients before I even consider buying the food for my dogs. I went through three entire aisle's of dog food in Petsmart looking at ingredients of over 20 different brands before choosing about 10 brands to further investigate.
Then I happen to walk into Walmart and see Maximum. It has no corn and no by products in it. The affordable price is what makes me wonder if it is a high quality food (about $14-$15 for a 20lb bag, whereas I was paying $25 for a 20lb bag of Chicken Soup).
I am not sure what reference to specfic situations Catty meant- but I do know- if you feed a dog cooked meat can cause this condition. Especially if cooked bone..Quote:
Originally Posted by elizabethann
I hope table scraps don't mean raw...blech....thats gross.
I am afraid I do not know that one. Maybe its local in your area. Who is the maker? ( making this up but like " made by Iams, Ol'roy, pedigree) etc.. Can you copy the label- I would like to look at it. You got me curious.. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Travis_gsd27
Commercial foods often cause an enlarged pacreas. I wonder if you can actually find a connection between one time table scrap and the problem, or if the problem was an underlying condition already there.
Heh, figured it would spark your interest ;)
I honestly can't find any other name than Maxximum (I spelled it wrong the first time). It specifically says that there are no Animal By products, No artificial colors, flavors or preservatives. As well as no corn.
I went ahead and took a few pictures of the bag to see if that helps at all. I've never heard of it prior to seeing it at Walmart, but a friend of mine who lives in Wisconsin has heard of it (I'm in California).
Heres what the bag looks like
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...dogfood001.jpg
And here's the ingredients
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...mumdogfood.jpg
Only her service is horrible. I asked her for a pizza in december and she said she'd send it right away... It STILL hasn't arrived... It's going to be stone cold..Quote:
Originally Posted by areias
Chicken meal is a by product of chickens.....................
there are a few other things in there I would be uncomfortable with but it is my opinion, not a fact. I wouldn't be entirely comfortable with the sorghum, and honestly the beet pulp. Again just my op. As I said I feed RAW so other than the foster dogs that are adopted out I don't use the products (some fosters stay on RAW and some new owners prefer kibble).
Thank you- its made by a Purina sub.. I recognize it now. It does have corn meal- and rich in glucosime means- its corn heart which is where the nutrition is in the corn..Quote:
Originally Posted by Travis_gsd27
I do see beet pulp- watch that.. It will make gas in the gut..
My computer doesn't have that one in a lab report to give the actual final product- but lamb is usually more clean.. I will look into it if you want me too and pm you.. It does contain blueberry- which is great for the immune system. And Taurine is good for eye sight.
I'd appreciate it. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by borzoimom
Im not familiar with the "fancy" (LOL) names in ingredients so I often have to ask my dad what something is. Once you "dumb" the names down for me I know what to do. LoL.
Nahhhh--- you are not " dumb".. lol. Can you copy the ingredients- and then I will edit and tell you what each is for. I tried.. but it wont copy to paste..Quote:
Originally Posted by Travis_gsd27
Please understand- the corn meal has my eyebrows up- but the rest looks like something better-- . Without knowing the rendering source at this point- its hard to say. But the vitamin mixure looks good and in the right order. And although the FDA doesnt regulate dog food- they do have " truth in labeling.." hmmm.
Sure, I'll get them all typed up for you and send them right over.
Okay- you can send by pm if you want..Returned back to you.. that should explain each and every ingredient..Quote:
Originally Posted by Travis_gsd27
Both dogs didn't die immediately after eating this stuff, they got sick and just went downhill fast. All the lab work kept looking worse and worse every day.Quote:
Originally Posted by elizabethann
In the case of the one dog it was fed sausage, I can't remember if it was raw or cooked though.
In the case of the second dog I wasn't there the day it came in for diagnosis, I'm unsure if it was fed table food, or got into the garbage with the table food.
Since I've worked there I've seen the following foods cause pancreatitis...
Sausage
Pizza
Turkey with gravy
Hamburger (like fast food kind)
basically anything spicy or fatty.
And yes just one time of feeding some of these things can cause pancreatitis, although not all pets die from this.
As for the diabetes most of those animals are overweight and have a diet high in fat, or many treats (including table scraps except for raw veggies).
Here are some links on pancreatitis that go into more detail about it.
Pancreatitis
CVM (College of Veterinary Medicine) - pancreatitis
Vetinfo.com - pancreatitis