Pitbulls ??Aggression, Fact or Not???

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Originally Posted by Love That Collie

buttercup.....when you've lived more and seen more than your 16 years
has allowed then lecture.

Most PB owners have their "eyes wide shut" concerning this. Constructive criticism is a virtue and if anyone cannot accept contructive criticism that's the "eyes wide shut" and sarcasm has never been first from me, only when directed at me is it returned.

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Ya Im 16 and already know alot more about Pit Bulls then you.
Just because your older dosent mean you know more. Obviously.
Maximus and Ebony are two perfect examples of two amazing PitBulls
Maximus even has a little baby to care for now
Im sure if a Collie attacked someone it would be "oh no they must have
provoked it some how" But if it was a Pitty to you it would right away be thats dog is a prime example of how terrible the breed is put it to sleep.Theres Pit Bulls that are pulled OUT of the ring because they are too freindly and dont want to fight.Even the people ho fight Pitties say they are the sweetest dogs. Do you know how much training and abuse gose into making a fighting dog?
No didnty think so.
Until you know all your facts dont shut this magnifisent breed down.


Oh no look at Maximus mauling his poor baby:rolleyes:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y68...g/100_0752.jpg

I own a pit mix...he is the sweetest thing ever! Tell your hubby to check out the internet and he will see...as long as you raise them to be nice, they are nice. They are one of the best breeds out there. Good luck.

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Originally Posted by buttercup132

Ya Im 16 and already know alot more about Pit Bulls then you.
Just because your older dosent mean you know more. Obviously.
Maximus and Ebony are two perfect examples of two amazing PitBulls
Maximus even has a little baby to care for now
Im sure if a Collie attacked someone it would be "oh no they must have
provoked it some how" But if it was a Pitty to you it would right away be thats dog is a prime example of how terrible the breed is put it to sleep.Theres Pit Bulls that are pulled OUT of the ring because they are too freindly and dont want to fight.Even the people ho fight Pitties say they are the sweetest dogs. Do you know how much training and abuse gose into making a fighting dog?
No didnty think so.
Until you know all your facts dont shut this magnifisent breed down.
Oh no look at Maximus mauling his poor baby:rolleyes:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y68...g/100_0752.jpg

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** Honey- I agree this previous response to you from another poster was out of line and rude, but please understand- some of us have seen things we wished we had not.. And the consequences can be awful. My friends life is basically ruined.
Anyone should have dog insurance, but especially this one. Maybe a mix is a good idea...

by the way- I am looking at the dogs head posture= the dogs jaws are locked, eyes are fixed, ears up and stare intense.. Please move the baby..

Some good reads on the breed.
http://www.realpitbull.com/
http://www.apbtconformation.com/
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/breedinfo.php

those are rescue operations and trying to place dogs... I am sorry- after what my friend that went through, as a skilled trainer, wonderful dog I met many times before, to have this happen, I would never risk it... I flat out cant afford to loose my house, the insurance ( if I could get it) etc on this.. Its just not worth it to me.. Not when soooooooo many breeds dont have this problem or even the little rescue in a pound- just not worth it to me.. There is something that snaps in this breed, and you dont know if its your dog, or whatever, but its not worth the stress to me at all..
** btw- I call everyone honey- I am southern.... ***

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Originally Posted by borzoimom

by the way- I am looking at the dogs head posture= the dogs jaws are locked, eyes are fixed, ears up and stare intense.. Please move the baby..

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Sheesh! The lady that owns Maximus had him around that baby many, many times the baby is her sisters. Maximus loved the little guy. He is a mix btw. pit bull, lab. Does THAT make you feel any better?

As far as a pit bulls mind snapping that's a total myth. I'm sorry for what happened to your friend but her dogs mind didn't snap. Was the dog in a fenced yard? Did he jump the fence to get to the ladies dog?

Borzoimom, Maximus is looking at the child with curiosity. You can tell he is not going to attack him. My crew (who are not Pitbulls, but two happen to be 'dangerous' breeds) all look the exact same way when they're around babies.

Anyway, everything positive that I would've said about the breed has already been said. I love Pitbulls. I've never in my life met a more friendly, outgoing, smiley breed. They're an absolute joy to be around. I've met my fair share of Pitbulls, and only one was aggressive. Pits are very abundant in my neighbourhood and I'm constantly encountering them. I find it extremely sad when pitbull owners are surprised at the fact that I don't run in fear from their dogs when they sniff me, wag their tail at me, look at me, etc. An owner should never have to feel surprised at someone liking their dog. I go through the same thing as amny Pit owners do when I'm out with Morgan or Winston (a Rottweiler and a Doberman). Pitbulls were bred for dog aggression a long time ago, and yes, some are still dog aggressive...but breeders are striving to get rid of that. They were never, ever meant for human aggression. I think pits make one of the best family breeds around. They're truly an awesome breed in all aspects. I don't think anyone should fear them more than they fear a Golden Retriever, a Poodle, a Greyhound, or any other breeds people love for their friendly and/or gentle natures. I've been bitten by dogs before, but those were individual dogs (and no, they were not Pits) whom I blame the bite on either myself or the owner. I never blame an entire breed for one dog's actions.

I am only looking at the posture- .. Experience tells me so... And there was no evidence of a "snap" in my friends dog- it just did what it was supposed to do- get into a dog fight- then attacked the lady when she tried to stop it.
We have had 5 pit bull deaths in our county alone in the last year.. A older woman and her little dog, a man attacked by his dogs in his home, a boy at a bus stop etc etc.. They are banned here in the city and have to be registerd by the PD in the whole county area.
I see no "raised eyebrow" on curious- that is not what I am seeing as a ex police dog trainer.. not at all.. that is not what I see.. Please move the baby..

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get into a dog fight- then attacked the lady when she tried to stop it.

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Well obviously shes bound to get bit then.
Just a thought but with all the stupid people in the world today I wouldnt
be surprised if those dogs that "attacked" the people in your community
were from BYB's, people who fight dogs and sell the pups in the paper
and people who didnt care to train them.

She was trying to save her pet in a death hold with another dog- wouldnt you? Now dog owner of the pit is in jail ... Do what you all wish, but its not worth the risk to me when sooooooo many other pets need a home..

Soooooo many GOOD pit bulls need homes also. I would get another one in a heartbeat. Ebony will be 2 in March I've had NO problems with her at all. She lives with 2 other female dogs she doesn't attack them. I'm sure we will all be ok in our household.

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Originally Posted by Jadapit

Soooooo many GOOD pit bulls need homes also. I would get another one in a heartbeat. Ebony will be 2 in March I've had NO problems with her at all. She lives with 2 other female dogs she doesn't attack them. I'm sure we will all be ok in our household.

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I hope so.. I have said all I am going too here.. Its a endless debate but I appreciate your posts but nothing would change my mind. I am just more poliet about it.. lol.. take care..

Lots of breeds end up in the spotlight.For a while it was GSD,Dobermans,Rottweilers and APBT's.It's not the breeds fault it is owned and bred by people with no thought to a standard.
I have Rottweilers and APBT's and they love everyone.
Come to this house and expect to get licked to death.

German shepherds, rottis, and dobermans main purpose was to serve and be guard dogs- this is not the same thing.. not at all.. I had all but the rottie in earlier years but they are guard dogs and socialization and training does it. This is not the same- not at all.. Just like the bull dog was once considered aggressive until the club took hold to change the breed, this wont happen until the clubs do the same thing here... You take care.. moving on now..

And one more thing- I trained rotts for years in my second profession, and they are wonderful with good genetics and trained. My only complaint with a rottie is the cancer incidence in the breed.. its pretty high- but that is a "' my heart issue" and not the dog... Cancer is wide spread in the breed..

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Originally Posted by borzoimom

German shepherds, rottis, and dobermans main purpose was to serve and be guard dogs- ..

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and in being guard dogs they bite people.APBT ares not to be people aggressive at all.
Bad breeders bring this out in the breed.

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Originally Posted by rutylr

and in being guard dogs they bite people.APBT ares not to be people aggressive at all.
Bad breeders bring this out in the breed.

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I wish we could.. then the breed would stand a chance...

My concern I see here is this- even a collie can bite but there is a difference from a bit to going " to the death " mentality in a fight.. A pit wont give up in pain- period.. I have seen some poor pits used as the " chew up dog" that just makes you sick... Its like the breed doesnt know how to quit in a fight when even a rottie or shepherd will.
ONe of my shepherds I bred got a Hero award from the SFPD as he took a bullet to defend his family- but he wasnt the fighter- the intruder was... There is a HUGE difference here... Axel almost died to protect his family, verses this we have had in this part of virginia for years, where for no reason provoked, these breeds are not just biting or attacking but KILLING pets, and people in their path.. For no reason..

I am just now seeing this. I can't believe there are dog lovers that still feel this way about pit bulls. Reminds me of what african americans went through in american history. Talk about prejudice.

Maximus is not looking at the baby that way...sorry you have it completely wrong. I am sickened to read this garbage.

I hear you casey- but the fact is- this is a dog that wont even be used by a police department. The reason- they cant control the release in a bite ( hold) and may not direct to the person sent for.
I trained dogs as my second profession for 20 years- they would not use a pitt.. The reason- they can not get the dog to release a bite, and can not insure the dog will only go who they are sent for and not bite their handler on the release.. I am sorry- but its true- they will not even use the dogs for police work.
I proudly trained shepherds for police work- this is the same dogs that would go lay with my child and come into the house with other dogs- but they knew who was in control, and I never EVER worried they understood who had control.. You dont have this with this breed- even rejected by alllllllllll the police departments for this reason- THEY CANT CONTROL THE BITE, THE RELEASE of the bite, or who the "suspect is" in the dogs mind...

I am not going to argue with you but I completely disagree with you and hope all the people that have come here from the other board don't hate pitties.

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Originally Posted by caseysmom

I am not going to argue with you but I completely disagree with you and hope all the people that have come here from the other board don't hate pitties.

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I am just saying- just like I have to watch my borzois in the event of cats and small dogs for the chase reflex- this dog will attack out of NOWHERE and you cant stop it.... cant.. that is a awful burdon to me.
All my dogs are insured- when I had shepherds that were police dogs, I was insured including house checks, but it protected my financial interests-.. The agencies know- this is NOT reliable breed- and it doesnt just bite- it maims, kills with such visciousness its like the dog becomes possessed... A mix of pit would better than a "pure bred" even then- its a serious problem.. Think about this- if the police departments wont use them because they are unpredicable- what does that tell you? It means- you can not get these breeds off of an attack- PERIOD.. I am sorry but my life style, the lives of my other dogs, the life of my children ( grown) and grandchildren is not WORTH one single LIFE CHANGING EVENT... Its not worth it when soooooooooo many other pets in shelters need a home- this is not worth it...

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Originally Posted by borzoimom

by the way- I am looking at the dogs head posture= the dogs jaws are locked, eyes are fixed, ears up and stare intense.. Please move the baby..

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Sorry but anyone that got that from the picture just doesn't have my respect on this matter...ears up? Are we looking at the same picture?????

And by the way I am 45 so you can't use the age thing with me that you pulled on buttercup.

I am southern- we call everyone honey or sugarpie= it is NOT reference of age. I am also 46 years old as well, and would think nothing of it.. sorry If I offeneded.. I am southern... That is how we talk... yes ma'am... btw- many think our accent means we are stupid- we are not... lol..

I hear you casey- but the fact is- this is a dog that wont even be used by a police department.

Not true. Here are some links showing pit bulls working for the police....

http://www.workingpitbull.com/activities.htm

http://www.hsus.org/pets/pets_relate...ice_pooch.html


http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...hub=TopStories

http://www.pitbulllovers.com/pitbull...-bomb-dog.html

Let me give you an example- we were at a dog show recently to show my two younger ones. This lady had a champion chihuahua, and said to her husband " oh wow!!! take a picture of the big the dog and ( whats his name).. zubin - at over 36 at the shoulder raised his ears ( borzoi for hunt) but I had him on a tight lead.. anyway her husband took a picture with holding the 5 pound chi, and then we stopped. She put the dog down and the chi started dancing around- I saw zubins ears go up ( hunt and chase in borzoi language) and I grabbed him at the muzzle as he tried to take off.. Now mind you- zubin was fine when the dog was held- not so when the dog attempted to run... Its my breed- I know for God sake if they will chase a white plastic bag, anything small will trigger... I accept that- I dont have cats anymore, would love a toy but know that wont work as an accident waiting to happen..
I know my heart - my dogs are my heart and soul but I accept that my dogs will chase- including bears... ( no kidding) if it runs... This is the same thing here only more serious= these dogs mame, and I would rather not worry when a dog i had caused greatttttttttt pain or death.. I just have to keep my big guys from chasing bags- this COULD BE a human life or someones treasured pet.
We had 5 deaths in this county with trained pitts even therapy dogs.. I am sorry= the breeds are past their point of usefulness..
Now we have 45 dogs in our local shelter- please adopt one ... PLEASE...

Yeah jadapit, I know they are used for this, I just don't have the energy to argue with ignorance....

by the way there are many people killed by dogs that are not pitbulls...I wish people would get their facts straight.

you believe what you want- pray you have good insurance and have a nice day.. I know otherwise... take care..

sure we won't confuse you with the facts, you obviously have made up your mind.

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Originally Posted by borzoimom

I hear you casey- but the fact is- this is a dog that wont even be used by a police department. The reason- they cant control the release in a bite ( hold) and may not direct to the person sent for.
I trained dogs as my second profession for 20 years- they would not use a pitt.. The reason- they can not get the dog to release a bite, and can not insure the dog will only go who they are sent for and not bite their handler on the release.. I am sorry- but its true- they will not even use the dogs for police work.
I proudly trained shepherds for police work- this is the same dogs that would go lay with my child and come into the house with other dogs- but they knew who was in control, and I never EVER worried they understood who had control.. You dont have this with this breed- even rejected by alllllllllll the police departments for this reason- THEY CANT CONTROL THE BITE, THE RELEASE of the bite, or who the "suspect is" in the dogs mind...

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This is really off base.
I know of alot of SchH titled dogs.
here is a place that uses Pit bulls(but not as biting dog)
http://www.lawdogsusa.org/page1.html
http://www.workingpitbull.com/New%20...2005/dread.htm
http://www.workingpitbull.com/boldogkennel1.html
heres pit bulls doing French ring sport
http://www.rosecitydogs.com/trial080804.html

I think if you got a Pit Bull puppy, your husband would feel more confident in how it will grow up acting/reacting to situations (kids, other pets). If you take it to obedience school & socialize it from baby to adulthood (in a positive way), there shouldn't be any problems with it.

The only dog that ever bit me was a stinking poodle (who, by the way, I'll be walking this Thursday afternoon - God help me). ;)

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Originally Posted by caseysmom

by the way there are many people killed by dogs that are not pitbulls...I wish people would get their facts straight.

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Here are the dogs bites reported so far this year.Like Caseysmom says it's not just pit bulls

http://www.chako.org/dogblog/forums/8/ShowForum.aspx

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Originally Posted by elizabethann

I think if you got a Pit Bull puppy, your husband would feel more confident in how it will grow up acting/reacting to situations (kids, other pets). If you take it to obedience school & socialize it from baby to adulthood (in a positive way), there shouldn't be any problems with it.

The only dog that ever bit me was a stinking poodle (who, by the way, I'll be walking this Thursday afternoon - God help me). ;)

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WOULDNT OWN ONE not after seeing what happened to my friend- and- I live outside of the Nations Captital- if they wont use a pitt in their top forces, I wouldnt use one either... BTW_ even DC has a ban on pits.. .. and so do we now and I live in the mountains of virginia..
go ahead- get a pitt.. I dare ya- get the insurance, the renters rights etc or the liscense you need for our counties, etc and you live it.. NOt me.. noooooooooooooo way...

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Originally Posted by borzoimom

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go ahead- get a pitt.. I dare ya- get the insurance, the renters rights etc or the liscense you need for our counties, etc and you live it.. NOt me.. noooooooooooooo way...

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You are coming off as a very hateful human being. There are a lot of people that have been members here for a long time that have pits, those pits are loved members of our community. Please don't come here and insult our family members.

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Originally Posted by caseysmom

You are coming off as a very hateful human being. There are a lot of people that have been members here for a long time that have pits, those pits are loved members of our community. Please don't come here and insult our family members.

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Thank you so much for saying this!

Borzoimom's mom how would you like it if a bunch of us were to bash the breed you love like your doing the pit bull?

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Originally Posted by caseysmom

You are coming off as a very hateful human being. There are a lot of people that have been members here for a long time that have pits, those pits are loved members of our community. Please don't come here and insult our family members.

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I'm with you caseysmom and back you up 100%. Pit bulls are one the best dogs out there and I wish some people could see that. :(

borzoimom,

I know you wouldn't like us bashing the breed you love so much, not that we would do that. but we all know how you feel about pit bulls now and please there is NO need to go on about it.

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Originally Posted by caseysmom

You are coming off as a very hateful human being. There are a lot of people that have been members here for a long time that have pits, those pits are loved members of our community. Please don't come here and insult our family members.

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I understand that- I am just saying to someone that wanted to know facts, when the first few pages were the positive- there is a negative to any breed, and this one is hard to insure. Its not about money= its about your right to have your life- you need on guard with one alllllllllllllllllll the time.. This does bite " like a stinking poodle" ( as someone said) - this breed will maim..
YOu do what you want- I wouldnt have it. I have seen to much and didnt ask to see it to start with... I knew the dog that distroyed my friends life- you didnt, I knew the man that was killed in his house by his 3 pitts- YOU DIDNT... This is not a typcial snappy breed- it can be a killer and strong enough in jaw pressure to do it..
My point is- you need to hear both sides of the story before doing this.... Take it for what it is worth, but when even the miliatary and top police departments in the nation wont use the breed, that tells me an awful lot! Seriously - it does- and I posted as to why....

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Originally Posted by borzoimom

I understand that- I am just saying to someone that wanted to know facts, when the first few pages were the positive- there is a negative to any breed, and this one is hard to insure. Its not about money= its about your right to have your life- you need on guard with one alllllllllllllllllll the time.. This does bite " like a stinking poodle" ( as someone said) - this breed will maim..
YOu do what you want- I wouldnt have it. I have seen to much and didnt ask to see it to start with... I knew the dog that distroyed my friends life- you didnt, I knew the man that was killed in his house by his 3 pitts- YOU DIDNT... This is not a typcial snappy breed- it can be a killer and strong enough in jaw pressure to do it..
My point is- you need to hear both sides of the story before doing this.... Take it for what it is worth, but when even the miliatary and top police departments in the nation wont use the breed, that tells me an awful lot! Seriously - it does- and I posted as to why....

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YOU are entitled to your own opinion and so am I. I like Pit Bulls. I even like STINKING poodles (including the one that bit me).