Pennsylvania School Shooting :(

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Originally Posted by Cataholic

You must be kidding. Same goes with pools in the back yard, trampolines in the yard, open stairwells, etc. The house/structure IS more dangerous by the existance of such an attractive nuisance. While that might not mean something WILL happen, the very existence of these items raises the danger quota over a home that doesn't have such items.

In my house, no one will EVER be accidently shot with a gun. I forbid, and will continue to forbid, guns in my house. I also do not go to houses with guns. I would not let my son play, sleep over, or visit a house that has guns.

If only criminals have guns, good. I will try my best to steer clear of criminals, too.

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My house has a gun, and it is absolutely not more dangerous than a house w/out guns. Why? Because we do not keep bullets in the house. (Or for rifles are they called shells? Not sure on that) My husband is a hunter, but only buys the bullets when he hunts. The bullets never enter the house. He still keeps his guns locked up. My father, who also used to hunt, treated guns the same way. Growing up I knew he hunted, I knew his guns were locked up, and I knew that the bullets never entered the house. I believe it depends on how the guns are treated. I think you might be surprised by how many people you know that have guns in their houses - I certainly was!

Just want to edit to say - I don't like guns personally, I don't ever want one, never want to hunt, never want to use one at all. I have never liked guns. But, I believe that people should be permitted to own them through legal means.

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Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces

The entire community will need counseling if what I heard on the news is true and I'm sure it is.

There is a group of "war protesters" from Kansas who make it their sole purpose in life to protest funerals. They usually just protest military funerals so I was surprised to see them already in PA protesting where these innocent children were butchered.

They aren't protesting that the children were killed, they seem to think it's just punishment for the US being in the IRAQ war??? They are supposidly a "Baptist" group of some sort. I know of no Baptist church that will claim them myself!!! They are a bunch of nuts in my opinion.

When they protested recently at one of the funerals of one of the military men killed in Iraq at one of our nearby towns; the towns people ringed the area with American flags so the family of the soldier couldn't see them.

I'm not a violent person but these people make me sick. They are a disgrace to Christians every where (how they can even claim to be Christians is beyond me) and I'm ashamed they are from my state!!!

I guess some people will use any excuse to show thier ignorance!!! :(

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You have got to be kidding me.....those people are actually going to protest the funerals of children?? As if that community doesn't have enough to deal with already :( How sad.

I wouldn't be surprised by who keeps guns in their houses. I have a pretty good idea who does/who doesn't(of the people I know). I have 4 brothers. None of them hunts, none of them owns a gun. My father doesn't own a gun. None of my friends owns a gun. I wouldn't date someone that owns a gun, nor, would I let that gun into my home.

I just don't remember anyone on the news, after a tragic "accident", saying, "Yeah, the guns were just laying around, bullets right next to them". Seems it is ALWAYS, "Guns were locked up! Kids NEVER touched them before! Bullets were 'hidden'"!

Everyone is different, and has different views on guns. I have a very strong dislike of guns. Very strong. It only got stronger with the addition of Jonah.

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Originally Posted by Cataholic

Everyone is different, and has different views on guns. I have a very strong dislike of guns. Very strong. It only got stronger with the addition of Jonah.

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I can understand that - I am uncomfortable around guns myself....and who knows how I will feel after having kids myself? I may change my mind entirely.

I will not have a gun in my house. I have shot a gun, years ago, for target practice. I didn't enjoy it and decided then never to own a gun. I think they are not necessary except for hunting. You don't need an AK47 to hunt animals.

I hate guns. :mad: :eek: :(

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Originally Posted by JenBKR

You have got to be kidding me.....those people are actually going to protest the funerals of children?? As if that community doesn't have enough to deal with already :( How sad.

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Yes, they are already there. When I see them all lined up and grinning like they are I want to slap some sense into them.

If they want to protest the war, they should go picket the White House and stop the nonsence at funerals. The Amish don't believe in war at all and don't even serve in the miliary!!!

The fact that these nut jobs seem to think innocent people are getting what they deserve because the government is at war is really frightening to me. I can't help wonder if they would be protesting at the funeral if it was one of their loved ones!!! :(

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Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces

The entire community will need counseling if what I heard on the news is true and I'm sure it is.

There is a group of "war protesters" from Kansas who make it their sole purpose in life to protest funerals. They usually just protest military funerals so I was surprised to see them already in PA protesting where these innocent children were butchered.

They aren't protesting that the children were killed, they seem to think it's just punishment for the US being in the IRAQ war??? They are supposidly a "Baptist" group of some sort. I know of no Baptist church that will claim them myself!!! They are a bunch of nuts in my opinion.

When they protested recently at one of the funerals of one of the military men killed in Iraq at one of our nearby towns; the towns people ringed the area with American flags so the family of the soldier couldn't see them.

I'm not a violent person but these people make me sick. They are a disgrace to Christians every where (how they can even claim to be Christians is beyond me) and I'm ashamed they are from my state!!!

I guess some people will use any excuse to show thier ignorance!!! :(

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Connie, the only reason these "chistians" (nothing Christian about them!) are at the funerals of these poor girls is to protest comments made by the Pennsylvania governor critizing them. They don't care at all about the sensless tragedy in this community. To me, they're lower than dirt.

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Originally Posted by david p

Connie, the only reason these "chistians" (nothing Christian about them!) are at the funerals of these poor girls is to protest comments made by the Pennsylvania governor critizing them. They don't care at all about the sensless tragedy in this community. To me, they're lower than dirt.

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What comments? I think I missed that part...

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Originally Posted by david p

Connie, the only reason these "chistians" (nothing Christian about them!) are at the funerals of these poor girls is to protest comments made by the Pennsylvania governor critizing them. They don't care at all about the sensless tragedy in this community. To me, they're lower than dirt.

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I couldn't agree with you more!
I wondered why they were there since it wasn't a funeral of a military member.

To tell grieving people that God hates them and they are getting what they deserve because of what the country does is just stupid!!!!!!!!

Too bad we can't ban protests at funerals!!! (we've tried in Kansas) :(

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Originally Posted by JenBKR

What comments? I think I missed that part...

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Jen, I'm not sure what the comments were either, but this what I heard on KDKA noon news today.

40 shootings total since 1996. :( :(

there was even a shooting at crayola's (most awesome) park not a while ago too.. I have no words.

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Originally Posted by zoey

Horrifying!
Why didn't the ******* just kill himself!?! :confused:

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My thoughts exactly!!! :eek:

I don't dare to read any more details about this story, Good Lord, I had nightmares back in the seventies , when I heard about the "Jamestown Massacre!!!" :eek: :(

One thing that I thought was amazing, given their dislike of being photographed (it's actually supposed to be taboo) that there was a gentleman being interviewed. I think they figure if they give "the English" (outsiders) a little of what they want, they'll go away.

One thing that I found interesting and a little sad today was something mentioned on Good Morning America. Since they don't believe in having their pictures taken these parents will have no photographs of their loved ones to remember them by. I mentioned this at work today and my co-worker said that was OK because she can always remember what her loved ones, who have passed on, look like. Call me morbid, but I occasionally pull out an old photo of my dad and it takes me back to when he was here. Chris Cuomo on GMA said the Amish will sometimes save articles of clothing or locks of hair to remember loved ones.

Just in from CNN Headline News: The weird Kansas group has agreed to NOT picket at the funerals in exchange for air time on a local radio station. They didn't say if it was a local PA station or a local KS station but at any rate they can be turned off and since the Amish don't have radios anyway, the grieving families won't be hurt by the group!

Thank GOD!!!

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Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces

Just in from CNN Headline News: The weird Kansas group has agreed to NOT picket at the funerals in exchange for air time on a local radio station. They didn't say if it was a local PA station or a local KS station but at any rate they can be turned off and since the Amish don't have radios anyway, the grieving families won't be hurt by the group!

Thank GOD!!!

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Oh, Connie, I'm so glad to hear that. That is the last thing that grieving community needs.My thoughts and prayers go out to those families who lost their loving children in this tragedy.

LOL so because we own guns my husband is going to kill me? LOL I don't think so. As for children, Our children will be TAUGHT how to use a gun, what a gun IS and how to properly respect a gun. they will be taught to hunt, they will be taught what a gun can do and they will be taught EVERYTHING on gun safety and they will never EVER use it as a toy. this will be taught to them and imprinted in them from the day they are born. So because of some statistics it means that because we have guns that someone in my house is going to be killed? Like you said, you can use statistics to prove anything.

All I know is my husband will never EVER turn a gun on me or anyone in our house. I would never do it either. Our children will be taught from day one (which makes a BIG difference) about guns and what they are to be used for.

In my opinion, if you cannot USE a gun efficiently then you have no business owning one. A gun is a DEADLY weapon and should NOT be used unless you intend on using it to FATALLY wound someone. Just injuring someone with your gun can be far more dangerous for you.

You may be sick of the argument "people kill people" but that doesn't make it any less true. Like I said, lots of places have banned guns and now all the deaths and violence that took place with guns are NOW taking place with knives. Shall we just all have our hands cut off so that we can't use any tool that could possibly injure someone? That argument is ridiculous. Punish the people that MURDER others, don't punish the inanimate object. That is just silly.

Blaming guns just gives murderers a scape goat and I for one am sick of that bullsh!t.

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Originally Posted by Lizzie

Veering back to the original topic, I'm been thinking about the girls who survived and how they will cope with everything they saw and experienced. Yes, they belong to a close-knit and very supportive community that will help them greatly. But, will that community know how to deal with the kind of psychological damage this trauma will have caused? I know next to nothing about the Amish, so I don't know - will they allow these children to see professional counselors or pschologists? Will they assume that their faith will heal them and they need no other help?

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Good question, I don't know either, but I would imagine they will want to deal with it privately within their own community. I know I would be crazed beyond belief - how do you deal with the violent and senseless slaughter of your little girl? *shakes head*

I was also stunned that a group would protest in that way - their smiling faces holding up posters claiming this is God's justice made me want to puke. "God hates you" was one of them. I wonder how they deal with tragedy in their lives? Who or what do they turn to when nothing makes sense? They seem to think they have all the answers.
It's disgraceful that they even got coverage by the networks. Half the time I think if the news-casters weren't hyping up these & other bizzaros so much, alot of them would just fade into oblivion.