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Beliefs (intangibles) which cannot be backed up by concrete evidence are just that, beliefs.
There is far too much concrete evidence that the moon landings happened, to include the astronauts that went on the missions, the material brought back, the thousands of personnel involved in the project, the spacecraft themselves, etc.
Correct, which could all be fake. As in, they are all in on the fake story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
I've talked to people via Sattelite phone in Christmas Island and there was a time delay.
Geesh, there's even a time delay on news casts.
The time delay on news casts is put in by the networks to avoid any oopsies.
One other thing I forgot........there were 20,000 + sailors involved in recovering the apollo craft. If there was a secret to be kept, trust me, it would have been out by now.
That's an opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
What do you mean "oopsies" The time delay is very remote just a few seconds. Doesn't sound like my of a precaution to me.
In newscasts and most "live broadcasts, there's usually a 7-second delay, so they can delete profanity, or bleep it out anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by CagneyDog
The time delay put in by the networks is 3-5 seconds, which is plenty of time to catch any misspoken words or anything that the mike picks up from someone other than the reporter.
The maximum time delay possible with terrestrial communications would be you calling someone standing next to you with a phone cable stretched around the globe (40076 KM), which would give you a .13 sec lag. With a satellite phone, again assuming maximum distance(ground to geosynch orbit to ground, with 20000 km on ground in between), would be .3 sec. Almost noticeable, but by experience your brain tends to amplify the lag because you aren't used to hearing it.
LOL! I can't believe anyone is seriously having this conversation! Thanks for the laugh, anyway. :rolleyes: (I mean this in good humor, nobody get offended, ok?)
".....to the Moon, Alice!"
My dad worked for Rockwell for the space program for 20 years. I won't mention this thread to him. It would break his heart to know that all that work he did on the lunar excursion module was believed to be a part of a multi-billion-dollar hoax.Quote:
My Dad worked as an Engineer for NASA since its inception and my Sister has too for the last 20 years. Talking to them, who've been apart of the whole thing, I've no doubt it happened. Kinda kewl having a Dad, who was apart of such a historical event in our lives.
Are we even having this conversation?
The truly disturbing part is that this whole thread was started by something a teacher said in a classroom. :rolleyes: :mad:
It's not "a" teacher. I saw a video on this a few years ago, as have other friends of mine that go to different schools. They aren't teaching this for no reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
They're showing it because they are truly ignorant.
I think I know the vid you are referring to, and it has NO place in a school. If I was a parent and knew the vid was being used inthe classroom I'd work my tail off to get the teacher to remove it from the cirriculum or get the teacher fired.
I have heard of people doubting that man went on the moon, was shocked, but yes...people who question this do exist. I totally believe man has been on the moon though.
Come to think of it...
why don't all of us PT'ers go to the moon together to check it out? Now won't that be fun? :p:D
I'm game, PCB, now all we need is a PT Billionaire or three to fund the trip! :D
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
Anyone know of a billionaire on PT? He he he!
I think, that if this is something you are truly questioning, you do this.
Take two pieces of paper. On one put a heading PROOF THAT WE WENT TO THE MOON. Then write down every possible fact that is available to all of us that proves that we did indeed go to the moon.
One the second sheet of paper write; PROOF THAT WE DID NOT GO TO THE MOON. And then do the same as the first - write down each scrap of information that proves we did not go to the moon.
Then intelligently - compare the two.
Perhaps you could do this with the Mars Rovers as well.................
I am really really shocked by this thread. 6 out of 76 people right now think the fact that man has been to the moon is questionable. That is about 8 percent, a very high percentage.
I better recommend that you go into philosophy a little closer. The question is: Can you only know about facts you experienced yourself?
If you think that is true (which is a completely possible view of things) you better doubt about a lot of things: like the Eiffel tower- do you believe it exists even when you are not in Paris to see it?
Your cat or dog- when it goes under the bed is it still there?
The good old question of Bishop Berkeley: if a tree falls in a forest and there is nobody there to hear it does it make a noise?
Most of us would say yes, it makes a noise. And if we do agree on that we will have to agree about the moon. There is scientific evidence, even if it is not the experience of you personally.
I can understand that in this world where evidence can be manipulated easy technically you want to know more before you agree with something. But then: go on! Read the books, visit the websites, go to the libraries, get as much information as you can and THEN decide.
I've spent so much time in this thread that I feel compelled to comment. I have heard the conspiracy theories about the moon before. What truly stuns me is the discovery that some schools have devoted time to this, when they could have been teaching genuine physics, something that might fire the imagination and ultimately make all our lives better.
Solipsism will be a degree subject next. Wait a minute, perhaps it already is! :eek:
Of course! There is only me and I am a brain in a nutrient solution with a lot of fantasy :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Killearn Kitties
Sorry - I can see this thread either in the doghouse or in the doghouse in the bar ;)
Definitely in the bar! Always the best place to discuss philosophy, don't you think?Quote:
Originally Posted by Barbara
Wait until the serious people in the West wake up and see us fooling around here :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Killearn Kitties
It will be detention for us, Barbara!Quote:
Originally Posted by Barbara
and just think....there are people who find it more believable that the government spent millions on a hoax moon landing....and somehow convinced the thousands of people (NASA employees, actors, set directors, etc) involved in the hoax to past up the opportunity to be on the cover of People magazine with the TRUE story of the moon landing!
I didn't read through the whole thread so I don't know if this has been posted, but it goes through the faked moon landing theory's "proof" and logically explains all the things questioned.
http://pirlwww.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/NOT_faked/
To start, one thing I've learned in life is this:
Everyone has an opinion and it is extremely difficult for people to admit that their opinion is wrong, and some people straight refuse to look at facts if it weakens their case.
I personally believe that the US has indeed landed on the moon. I agree there are reasons that the US could have lied about the landing. For example, 1. To prove to the Soviets and United States general public that the US had better technology and landed the first person on the moon. This raised morale for the US, and annoyed the Soviet leaders and public. 2. To counter the negative affects that the loss of life throughout the space program caused. It would be in the government’s best interest to prove that the money, time, and life lost were for something. 3. Ask someone in favor of the conspiracy...the list goes on.
Now a few reasons that I do believe the lunar landing happened. The most important factor for me is the study of soil / rocks recovered from the moon. They are very distinct and the sheer amount and consistent molecular provided out weigh the possibility of collecting similar features from meteorites and other space particles that hit earth. Next is the fact that we did have the technology and the resources to accomplish such a mission. It's human nature to want to explore and expand. The moon is out there taunting us with the classis so close, yet so far away mentality. It is every bit believable that we could, and did go to the moon. Why fake it when you can do it? Some people will do anything for money. I guarantee that if this was faked in a sound studio, that some clerk or boom boy would have come public with pictures of the set, or scripts, or some indisputable evidence that this was filmed and sold out to the press.
Most of the facts I will not go in to, but can say that the ideas presented to disprove the lunar landing are negated by negated by science. Most people who claim the moon landings never happened have no formal education in any of the subject matters presented. In looking at numerous sites, when the conspiracy ideas are presented to experts in these studies, there are very legitimate explanations to the anomalies that are used to disprove the landing.
I'll step off my soap box now, but in doing so will say "To each, their own."
:)