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Ah, I see. Well, I know ear cropping is outlawed in other countries and I believe docking is as well, although I'm not positive. If you're willing to have a pup shipped, then that's what you'll have to do to get a natural dog :)Quote:
Originally Posted by finn's mom
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Originally Posted by .sarah
Yeah, I knew it could be that complicated. Like I said, though, I have no idea...dobermans are just one of the handful of breeds I've always admired, and, have tossed the idea around...but, again, labs weren't even a consideration for me before, but, I met Finn and fell hard. So, you never know!
I'm against both cropping and docking, but it wouldn't affect my decision to rescue one of these breeds. I do love natural dobies though. They're stunning!!
After seeing certain surgeries at the vet hospital during my time there, I have really come to dislike some of the procedures. The puppies are so pitiful when they are brought in for tail docking. Since they're so young and the procedure is so quick, no anesthesia is used. They basically just clip the poor little tails off! :eek: We would call it "puppy torture" whenever someone brought puppies in for docking. Poor things! You could hear their screams all the way to the front of the hospital! :( That's a sound you don't soon forget. :(
I really don't see the point in either ear cropping or tail docking (unless for a medical reason), but I know that's what's preferred in show dogs. For non-show dogs...what's the point?
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I'm against ear cropping. I think it really is pitiful looking-one of the ladies at my work just got a Boxer puppy to be shown, and his ears are done already. But he had problems with it...one of the ears swelled up and now that it's untaped, you can see all the scabbing and everything. Especially if its done by an educated person-I've seen dobes with ears cropped like a Pit, and Boxers done completely wrong. It's really kind of sad...
Docking isn't something I'm totally against. It's useful for different dogs...Dobes, Great Danes, etc can get "happy tail"...it's so long, it wags so much that when they smack it against something it will break. And for working aussies, especially ones with really full coats, its useful not to have a huge furry tail dragging around, and when they use the bathroom it won't get all caught up in the tail area.
Well, I think it does make some breeds look better, like the briard, but I wouldn't do it myself. Personally, if you must change the dog's appearence to suit your wants, I think you shouldn't have that breed. I've also heard of breeders making acceptions to cropping and occasionally docking. Docking is only done in a few countries, so you can find undocked puppies. I'm undecided on docking because some dogs do break their tails more often or break the skin and bleed. Cropping on the other hand doesn't do anything to help the dog.
Strongly against the practice of ear cropping. In my mind it is not all that different from declawing as far as being a mutilation, but in dogs it is purely done for cosmetic reasons. I know show people and breeders if they want to get anywhere in the ring have to in the U.S. (although that is beginning to change from what I understand), but I bet many wouldn't miss it if the AKC changed their stance on it. I'd love to see it become a disqualification in conformation but I doubt it.
Now, this is not to say I feel anyone who has it done is a bad person or a bad/cruel owner because that is not necessarily true at all. I just vehemently dislike the actual procedure.
Yeah, that's basically my stand on it. ;) That's why dobermans might not be a breed I get in the future...Quote:
Originally Posted by IRescue452
Yeah, my friends in Texas have a lab that busts his tail open all the time. Poor thing. :( They've considered having their dog's tail docked because of it.Quote:
I'm undecided on docking because some dogs do break their tails more often or break the skin and bleed.
whoops!! I posted for it when i am actually against it!! sorry! yeah no i am totally against it
i'm not for or against it. If i bought a dog from a breeder,most likely i wont get there ears cropped.I would rescue one though :)
I know my breed,bull terriers,naturally stand up and sometimes they need help with there ears ,so i know some breeders tape them to help with there ears.I have nothing wrong with that because they're ears are naturally standing up.
against, I both dislike the proceeder and I hate the look of cropped ears. I know with Pyrsheps they are supposed to be both cropped and docked, neither of which are needed for herding sheep, and both are used soley to hide faults lol for example with most cropped breeds it makes flop ears stand up, but with pyr sheps, well their ears naturally stand up.. but for the show ring they are supposed to be tipped, cropping in this case is quite litterlly chopping off the top of the ear to make it APPEAR tipped. :eek: there is absolutly no exuse for this, if they are so obbessed with tipped ears then do what every other breed does and glue em. the docking is also to hide a fault.. they are not supposed to have a gay tail, so in this breed if a pup ends up with a gay tail they chop it off. :eek: these in my opnion are completly inexusuable.
im for it
I dont have anything aginst cropping as long as its done right.
same for docking. but thats a different mater. :)
If you find a good breeder and ask the breeder before the dog is bred,, to keep one puppys tail undocked. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by finn's mom
but you wont be able to have pick of the litter,, or rescu if thats what you wanted to do.
i have seen undocked and cropped Dobes and Rotts before though. so keep your eyes open. :)
I support it when its the normal for the breed.
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Originally Posted by wolflady
Yes it's horrible. I *hated* when the breeders would bring in the puppies. Their screams are the worst-it really makes you wanna cry. None of the girls ever wanted to hold the puppies while the doc did the docking because we all just felt it was so torturous for them. And then to see all those poor little tails lying there on the table--ugh I can't go into it anymore :(