Well said, Pit Chick and I think lv4dogs presented the question in a very appropriate manner...absolutely!
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Well said, Pit Chick and I think lv4dogs presented the question in a very appropriate manner...absolutely!
I am glad of the way this has been handled. I as a young child was exposed to a very nasty situation (no one realised I was standing there.) It has effected me all the rest of my life.
I just want others who just post the gore. to remebmer the age to join is 13 but any one can veiw the site. I think Pming the links are the best way to show these things.
Each child is different My brother saw the same thing but it didn't bother him but for years I had nightmares and still miss sleep being afraid of it coming back in my sleep.
Thank you for the considerating for asking .
I have to be honest.. I don't support "peta" at all. Their terrorists, its a pathetic cult. I remember a post here in the doghouse before about a paper Peta supporters were passing out to children whos mothers were wearing fur, the paper had a housewife on it holding a knife over a bunny, and in blood letters said "your mommys a murderer".
They proudly bomb buildings that use animals in medical research, constantly I hear them b*tching about these places yet the vice president of PETA *openly* admitts to using medication for her type 2 diabetes that was developed using dogs in research. not only that, but one of the terrorists is being supported by PETA to travel to highschools to talk about PETA, on an HBO show they played a tape of him "teaching" and during his talk he admitts to being arrested *13* times. ((Wow, thats certainly a guy I want corrupting.. oops I mean, talking to my child!))
PETA is actually against dogs being used as guide dogs, or dogs helping those who are handicapped, they see it as "Emabarrasing" to the animal, and obviously their against that since it is in their mission statment - after harm and death to an animal. I guess I'm an animal abuser then, because I think the cutest pictures are those of my dalmatians embarrassed because I put ribbon around them and stuffed reindeer horns with jingle bells on their heads for christmas.
You have the right to report me for animal abuse now.
DO NOT get me wrong. I'm against PETA. I hate, actually I LOATHE PETA. But I highly respect responsible animal rescuers. Petas making harder and harder for actual animal rescuers. They think their doing something by painting their bodies and getting into cages naked on busy streets as a "protest".... but people are just laughing at them and/or shaking their heads in disgust. And the same people laughing or in disgust probably wont consider donating to the local animal shelter after seeing those idiots.
I have never understood the notion that unless I witnessed/experienced something first hand I have no 'right' or 'voice'. I haven't EVER witnessed/experienced a house fire, but, I certainly know the devestation it can bring. I haven't ever been burned, but, I know that flames hurt, and do burn.
I, for one, do not need to witness the brutality of anyone- pets, children, adults, to know it exists, nor speak out against it. To say that my voice somehow doesn't count, or counts less than someone that has witnessed such henious acts is kind of upsetting, really.
I won't abuse you about it because I think they are way too militant, myself. There's a tactful way to help out without getting crazy and doing bad, illegal things.
ETA that I completely agree with Johanna about that, too. Very good point and I couldn't think of how to word my posts from earlier
I think it is a sad commentary on one's self that in order to help others, you have had to witness it, be in their shoes, etc. That is way too limiting, IMO.
I AM an advocate for many things- women's rights, animal rights, children's rights. Fortunately, I haven't been a victim of such circumstances. But, poop on anyone that says my voice doesn't count because I haven't been there, done that.
I don't support PETA or all of the things they protest for, they even have the nerve to say Pit Bulls should be banned into extinction for their own safety. :rolleyes: But there are some things that they have braught to the attention of people who wouldn't have otherwise known about it. The video lv4dogs wanted to post is a big eye opener that people who choose to buy or sell fur should have to see, so they can see what their greed or need for fur is doing to these poor animals.
Cataholic,
If you were trying to teach or preach to people about how animals on fur farms are treated and someone asked "how do you know", "have you been there or seen it", do you think they would continue listening when you say "uh, well, no"? You can tell people about the things you read or were told about it, but that is only second hand info that many won't find to be very credible. Who would you be more inclined to listen to when someone is trying to explain what it was like to be on the front lines of WW2, a historian or a soldier? While a historians words have a lot of meaning, they pale in comarison to the experiences of a soldier.
Perhaps we run with different crowds. If I had to be an eyewitness to every situation I was teaching or preaching about, well, sheesh..I probably wouldn't be a very good trial lawyer. Thank GOD I haven't ever witnessed death by broken neck. Thank GOD I could educate the jury enough to get a damage award. Again, maybe we run with different crowds. The people I teach/preach typically don't stop me short in my tracks and ask me, "well, have you been there or done that"? I think that is somewhat belittleling to people to suggest unless they have been there/done that, they aren't a worthy advocate.Quote:
Originally posted by Pit Chick
Cataholic,
If you were trying to teach or preach to people about how animals on fur farms are treated and someone asked "how do you know", "have you been there or seen it", do you think they would continue listening when you say "uh, well, no"? You can tell people about the things you read or were told about it, but that is only second hand info that many won't find to be very credible. Who would you be more inclined to listen to when someone is trying to explain what it was like to be on the front lines of WW2, a historian or a soldier? While a historians words have a lot of meaning, they pale in comarison to the experiences of a soldier.
And, if somehow watching a video makes one an expert, or gives one 'experience', then I say WHOA NELLY! :rolleyes:
While it may not make one an expert, it can definately change ones perspective enough to try and put a stop to the problem they saw on that video because now they have seen the problem instead of going on hearsay.Quote:
Originally posted by Cataholic
And, if somehow watching a video makes one an expert, or gives one 'experience', then I say WHOA NELLY! :rolleyes:
Maybe I should listen to all of those who sound like they know what they are talking about when they start spouting off about how Pit Bulls are the most dangerous breed alive, they have locking jaws, 2000lbs of biting pressure per square inch, they are unpredictable, they turn on people, blah, blah, blah. They give a pretty convincing speech using a lot of big words, but none of them have ever owned or even met a Pit Bull and wouldn't know one if it was licking them on the face. I'm still waiting for mine to turn on me.
So I guess if someone starts preaching about Heaven to me I can say... "How do you know there is a Heaven? Have you seen it?" ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Pit Chick
If you were trying to teach or preach to people about how animals on fur farms are treated and someone asked "how do you know", "have you been there or seen it", do you think they would continue listening when you say "uh, well, no"?
Just because you haven't personally seen or witnessed something doesn't mean you can't feel strongly about it or have knowledge of it.
:)
I don't support PETA either. I actually despise them.
But I do have to say this:
They do find some awful situations that no one else would find. And something needs to be done about them.
I didn't/don't want this to turn into a flame war so please keep it nice here.
Everyone has differences & it is nice that they do, otherwise this world would be an awful dumb & boring place. But please feel free to agree or to disagree but no fighting! I will delete this whole post if it gets out of hand, and I'm sure Karen would too.
That's the "great debate" and there are those who ask that, but all you can do is have faith. I have more faith in God than I do in people. ;)Quote:
"How do you know there is a Heaven? Have you seen it?"
I never said if someone doesn't see or witness something that means they can't feel strongly about it or have knowledge of it, but how credible you appear to those you are trying to preach to is where having seen something matters the most. If you can convince people based solely on what you have read or heard about and how YOU feel, bravo, keep it up. But there are people who can't be bought with words alone because they don't trust everything people say or they have to see it for themselves to believe it. Those are the kinds of people who your words will mean nothing to and those can be some of the hardest people to convince that there is animal cruelty going on because until they see it, to them, it isn't happening. And here we come back around to people not wanting to see the bad things going on around them or haven't seen it and probably should. If you choose not to, that's your choice, but don't get mad when someone wants to share.
I for one have no desire to see a horrendous and painful video. I have an vivid imagination, and I can only imagine the horror... why do I have to see it? Its like those old Hitchcock movies, he'd scare the wits out of you by letting your own mind fill in the blanks. Unlike today where its more fun to show the gore. Personally, keep your gore, and let my imagination fill in the blanks.
I know there's animal cruelty out there. But why do we need to show it? Why promote it? All I see from videos on PETA's site (and others like it) are ways for people who do the cruelty to watch and come up with new levels of torture they'd have never thought up themselves.
Watching the video won't educate me any more than I am, it'll only make me sick, and spend many nights tossing and turning.. giving me nightmares of that horror happening to one of my beloved pets. Sometimes there is such a thing as too much available information.
And I agree, PETA is a terrorist group that wants to get their point across in the most dramatic way they can.
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Originally posted by catnapper
Sometimes there is such a thing as too much available information.
This quote could also pertain to a lot of other posts and threads
on P T. TMI is a sad commentary and a sad reality.
OMG. I just watched the video. How in the HELL can anyone do that? :( :( :( I am in shock right now! :mad: