Oh my, so much commotion about this....!
I do agree with Jonza all the way though!!
Oh my, so much commotion about this....!
I do agree with Jonza all the way though!!
Jon, that's a great quote! Thanks for posting and thank you PIF for the saved files. I didn't get to read any of the thread as I posted right before I left for home.
I will try to recreate what I posted....from memory.
I am so glad I came from a LOVING and CHRISTIAN home, where tolerance and acceptance, and non judgmental attitudes were the NORM.
I cannot believe the crud that comes from the Godli people amongst us...those that are spewing the religous right are so very often the least Christlike that I have ever witnessed. I thought the Christians were supposed to live by example, and not stir up such garbage! The truly Christian people that I know go out of their WAY to live/teach the Word-not be the pot-stirrers that some people on here are.
If YOU are what a Christian is, then, I run, not walk, away from you, your message, your church, your belief system. Is that your point? Isn't your point to portray Christianity in the best possible light? With love? With Grace? By showing your true ignorance, narrowmindedness and intolerance for those different from yourself, you do YOUR faith such a disservice.
Do you wake up in the morning and think, "Okay. Now, how will I get people going today, all in the name of Christianity"? Does it come naturally to you? OR, does it require conscious pettiness and malice?
You time and again start crud. Cry religion, and then run away. I presume you are running to church, praying at the alter for forgiveness. Or, are you telling your preacher/pastor/priest all the lovliness you started today?
Religion? Christlike? I think not.
Can we have an AMEN?
Christians are not perfect, and we do not proclaim to be so. We are taught to try and be as much Christ-like as possible. In order to not get riled up and behave something other than like God would have us do, we sometimes turn the other cheek!;)
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Originally posted by kimlovescats
Christians are not perfect, and we do not proclaim to be so. We are taught to try and be as much Christ-like as possible. In order to not get riled up and behave something other than like God would have us do, we sometimes turn the other cheek!;)
Just so that I am clear- I do not base any of my comments towards you, Kim. As I stated in the other thread, I do NOT see you acting unChristian, ever(that I can remember, at least). Turning the other cheek is NOT what this person did. This person STARTED it...STARTED it...STARTED it. This person STARTS it ALL the time! A little less preachin' it and a little more livin' it should be her motto.
I get very frustrated with the "choose to be gay" line of thought.
At some point in my life I wondered if I could be gay....no particular reason...just wondered. So I thought about it...and I couldn't figure out how "IT" would be done. (Thanks...but no one needs to explain it to me....) I decided if I was gay I wouldn't have to think about it...I would feel it.... I have felt sexual attraction to men but never to women so how could I just turn it on one day???? It makes no sense to me.
I can understand that, if you choose to believe literally in every word in the Bible, that you MUST believe that homosexuality is a choice. How else to explain it? God doesn't mistakes so if God made homosexuality it can't be wrong. So it has to be a choice in order for it to be a sin.
If it is such a big deal...why didn't it make the Ten Commandments? And...other than Bibically....what's wrong with it? Two consenting adults making each other happy....and that is a sin...:confused: :confused: :confused:
Actually it did make the Ten Commandments ... it falls under Adultery! ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Edwina's Secretary
If it is such a big deal...why didn't it make the Ten Commandments? And...other than Bibically....what's wrong with it? Two consenting adults making each other happy....and that is a sin...:confused: :confused: :confused:
Not if you allow them to marry!:D
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Originally posted by Edwina's Secretary
Not if you allow them to marry!:D
well i have to agree. i dont really think it matter if you homosexual but some of them are treated like they are outsiders of this world. i feel sorry for them but they dont let it get to them so i give them props to that:D . i am a christian and my religion thinks that man should be with woman and woman should be with man, but i dont really care even if my parents think with the religion. i respect people for the desion they have made who to love, even if a man chosses to love a man or if a woman chosses to love a woman, or if a man or woman chosses to love both sexes. i think that sometimes people care too much about who is gay, lesbian, or homosexual, but i just let people have the right to choos what sex to love.
(this post has been written in a nice matter and sorry if it sounds mean. i am hopeing that one one will over react to the post i have made)
Most of you know that Chris is my daughter and so I am trying not to be too personal about this, but that is a bit difficult.
However, some of you are judging and criticising her mercilessly. You do not know her. I also wish the thread had not been deleted but she did say at the very beginning, that she would do so if the thread became anything but discussion of the ways to relate as a parent. Naive? - maybe. Her reasons for deleting it - some folks are simply assuming that she did so because "people did not agree with her". She is being discussed in a personal manner and in an angry, superior tone. I am sure you know the old adage that when you assume, you put an ass between u and me. That is what is happening here.
I also wish the thread remained because it could then stand as a witness that the accusations of nastiness from Christians are false. The Christian viewpoints, mine included were not condemning or nasty. We are sinners as well and grieved at the condition of the world. We are trying to raise our children correctly and no mother I am aware of said anything about not continuing to love their homosexual child. It is unfair to suggest that our homes are not LOVING and CHRISTIAN. To suggest that we represent true ignorance, narrowmindedness and intolerance is simply not true. That is what folks said about Christ also. Hearing the truth hurts. But no Christian comment I am aware of was anything but a statement of faith. God Himself said that His name would always be spoken against so it is not surprising really - but we are not mean spirited people out to hurt anyone. There may be Christians like that - we are all sinners and fail terribly. In the end, we all have to face God and HE is the one who will judge. If a person believes in the Bible as I do - face the fact that God's Word IS pretty narrow minded when it comes to sin, but we continue to love, even if that love hurts. Christ was vilified and killed for showing His love, too.
I have been deeply hurt by Christians myself. I have been deeply hurt by unbelievers. We are all people and all sinful.
I wish many of you would stop bashing Chris. If you knew her, knew about our family - you would probably like us. I know we are loving and accepting of anyone - but our convictions will never be compromised, ever. Still by our actions, we show love.
Enough from me.
yes we are all sinners but where is everyone getting that christians arent sinners???:confused: :confused: /???
the only people who arent sinners are God and Jesus.
i am soo confused that people think that christans arent sinners???
Well said, Sirrahbed...I am not condemning either side for their views and I read all the comments from the get go but chose to stay out of it.(at that time) .but I think that bashing either person is just not right..let it go..
I think it got out of hand...and I don't think that was anyone's intention
I am a Christian..better yet..a Christ Follower...I attend a Baptist Church but don't agree with the whole doctrine of ANY church..I am far from perfect..never will be til I am in a Christlike body and that is when I stop breathing...
It is not my place to judge what is right or wrong..its God's..I know how I feel about certain issue...what is right or wrong for ME..I am only accountable for ME.
I do know that if my son or daughter were to come to me with that particular issue I would love them regardless...I have unconditional love for both of them. They have both made many many choices/decisions/or have personality traits they were born with that do not make me happy, but I love them...period...and always will..
I don't think any one "started" this for a fight..I think it was a question that they felt was a good topic for an adult discussion..probably knew it would/could get heated but didn't realize it would touch off some hurt feelings or I don't think they would have ever posted it.
GraciesMommy...Very well said! I could not have said it any better!
The original thread became "personal" and that is where things started going wrong. It was becoming an attack instead of a debate or opinion sharing. People want respect for their opinions and yet don't want to give the same to others. That is what pulled me into the DogHouse. Now will someone please tell me how to get out!!!;) :D :D