I just don't care for Hillary is all. I voted for Geraldine Ferraro way back when she ran for president.
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I just don't care for Hillary is all. I voted for Geraldine Ferraro way back when she ran for president.
I don't personally care for Hillary myself and would not for for her based on her, not because she is female. But I think there are a lot of people set in their ways that wouldn't vote for her as President because she is a woman. I think if the Democratic party is going to get into the White House, they need a candidate who will be judged on issues, not on their sex, and I don't think the US is ready to do that yet. Maybe we need a female VP before we go for President. Just my opinion.
I don't know about Hillary....I think a lot of Democrats are banking on her right now, but who knows what will happen four years down the line. I don't think Guiliani would get far in the primaries, at least if they were held today. He's pro-choice, which would upset a lot of conservatives, and he made that comment the other day on the Today show about the 380 tons of explosives and how the troops should have just looked for them harder, which upset a lot of conservatives, moderates and liberals (and personally offended quite a few people). Therefore, I don't think he's have enough popular support to win the all-important primaries. However, I do think four years in an appointed position in the Bush cabinet could change a lot of people's opinions about him, one way or the other.
Personally I'd like to see an Edwards/Obama team for the Democrats. At least that's how I feel right now. :)
Personally, I don't really care if he does one way or the other. I wasn't really Pro Kerry... just Anti Bush. :) I think hilary has plans to run tho... WOOOO HOOOOO!!!! GO HILARY!!
Maybe John McCain will run... I wouldnt' mind him in office. He's a great politician. :)
Rudy won't run, he could never get around his personal issues on a national stage. Personally, I'd like to see JC Watts run for VP for the republicans, but every time he ran for congress in OK he was attacked by the NAACP as an "uncle tom". That being the case, Biden would do a good job for the dems (Think Leiberman with charisma) and Maybe Romney/Watts for the GOP.
Joe Lieberman, D senator from CT
John McCain, R senator from Arizonia
Joe Biden, D senator from Delaware
Colin Powell...
Barak Obama, soon to be D senator from Illinois (shows promise for sure!)
Rudy Gulianni...
Evan Bayh, D senator from Indiana
John Edwards
Jennifer Granholm, Gov. of Michigan
Christie Todd Whitman, former R Gov. of NJ and Bush cabinet appointee
Those are some I might consider voting for in 2008.
Re: Guiliani's personal life. He was recently divorced and remarried, but that's about the only "skeleton" in his closet, so to speak. Newt Gingrich and other Republican and Dem. notables have also been divorced/remarried so I'm not sure that would factor in.
Before becoming mayor of NYC, he was a nationally heralded federal prosecutor in NYC and did an amazing job, helping to bring down organized crime in NYC. And though many thought his tactics too tough, it was he who almost single handedly put the polish back on the "Big Apple" cleaning up the streets and Times Square. Crime went WAY down under his tenure; among the "big cities," NYC is considered one of the safest. He also attended seminary as a young man and is a devout Catholic (yes, pro choice) loves opera and is a life long Yankee fan, which alone may preclude him from getting the nomination:D When there was a political awards dinner/ceremony in the city, he refused to allow one invited guest to attend, Yassar Arafat, whom he considers a terrorist.
As for needing to "break in" the American public to the idea of a female Pres., I disagree. I think women have held positions of political power for long enough now and have proven their merit and capacity to lead. And if you're qualified to be VP, you're qualified to assume the top job. Condolezza Rice is perhaps the most important advisor to this current Pres., ever at his side, second only to Cheney in influence. There are a host of women I could envision in the office, my own prefs aside...
Elizabeth Dole, R senator from NC
Condelezza Rice
Hillary Clinton, D senator from NY
Diane Feinstein, D senator from Calif.
Mary Landrieu, D senator from Louisana
Kay Bailey Hutchinson, R Sen. from Texas
Jennifer Granholm, the D Gov. of Michigan a VERY impressive woman who has caught the attention of political hacks on both sides the past couple of years.
http://www.michigan.gov/images/gov_hs_58538_7.jpg
The problem with Giuliani as a candidate is not the fact that he is divorced, it is the mess srurrounding the divorce which unfortunately was extremely ugly and public. The media would never let it slide.
But what about the public???Quote:
Originally posted by Lady's Human
The problem with Giuliani as a candidate is not the fact that he is divorced, it is the mess srurrounding the divorce which unfortunately was extremely ugly and public. The media would never let it slide.
Marion Berry!!!:rolleyes: :confused: :eek: :mad:
Marion Berry, sure.
But what about ol' Slick Willie? You know, the President that committed PERJURY? If he wasn't roasted by the media, I fail to see why anyone else should be.
Messy...well, not really. It was public; he's a public figure! Donna Hanover was a well known TV celebrity/news anchor in NY so that added to the notoriety. They were, for all intents and purposes, separated for ages before the divorce announcement. This was the "mess" part; supposedly he announced the separation before formally telling her he wanted a divorce or letting her know he was making it public news.
Still, wasn't Newt Gingrich re-elected, despite the fact that he was having an affair while his wife was dying? I think he's on wife # 3 now. I don't think there was any real scandal here and the news is old news; there's no press tougher than the NY press and he weathered it just fine. And I think the country is able to handle having a Pres. who is divorced. I sure hope that the fact that a candidate may or may not be divorced, will not be held up as a barometer of accetable morality that one must measure up to in order to be elected.
I don't understand why personal life has so much to do with politics. I personally HATE what Bill Clinton did, but I think it is HIS business and everyone should go on with their own lives. I do not think it spoke volumes for his character when he lied about it at first, but again, I feel that is a completely different issue than leading the country.
I agree with you Aly, 100%. God forbid each and every politician's personal life and past were fully investigated and divulged! Remember during the Clinton impeachment hearings? TWO Republican Speakers of the House had to step down during the mess because Larry Flint figured it fair game to poke into their personal lives and revealed that both were having affairs!!! Hypocrits:mad: :mad:
Appearances can be deceiving...Jimmy Sawaggart, Jim Baker, come to mind. My point is we are all faliable and that does not necessarily preclude us from doing good.
I don't know, but if I had to pick, I would probably say yeah, he would run for president again next year.
I'll tell you, I never did like Clinton. I respected him because he was president, but I sure didn't like him. The fact that he was having an affair isn't what got everyone so involved. Clinton's human, and humans do that. Yes, it did bother me, but that's just because of my morals and values. What bothered me, among MANY others, was the fact that he committed purgery and thought nothing should happen to him because he was president. BS, do you know what purgery is? Do you know what would've happened to me if *I* committed purgery, since I'm just a regular ol' citizen?Quote:
Originally posted by aly
I don't understand why personal life has so much to do with politics. I personally HATE what Bill Clinton did, but I think it is HIS business and everyone should go on with their own lives. I do not think it spoke volumes for his character when he lied about it at first, but again, I feel that is a completely different issue than leading the country.
And an answer to the original question, no I don't think he'll run again. I don't see it happening, for some reason. And if Hillary runs, I'm going to laugh. I know it's in the talk that she's going to try to run, and try to make it through the primaries, but I just don't see that happening, either!
I sure hope that Kerry isn't the 2008 Democratic candidate or we can just vote Republican now and get it over with.
The Democratic party is in shambles. With an unpopular war, a shaky economy, and a less than articulate incumbent, there is no reason that the Democrats shouldn't have waltzed in and trounced W on election day. But with so many primaries so early in the game now, Kerry was picked before most of us even knew who he was. He was the wrong candidate at the wrong time.
I know that in another thread there was the discussion of GW being arrogant. I think its the Democratic party that suffers this even more. They still believe that they are the voice of the people when the election showed that they clearly are not.