"Toy" Schnauzers

Lute, I agree. I am just now learning these things myself. I had no idea about all this "breed standard" stuff until yesterday. I don't know a lot about purebred dogs, breeders, etc. - I spend most of my time focused on my kitties. :D I would like to be able to tell my aunt, "'Toy' schnauzers are not a recognized breed. Therefore, you should not breed them because:
1. Will not be for the advancement of the breed (no breed standard to base on, etc.)
2. Cannot be shown
3. Possible genetic problems (this one I need help with)??
4. Other??"

So is that quote I posted in my original post just a bunch of B.S.?

Now that I have read your all's posts, I don't think I'll get a so-called 'toy," I'll just stick to the regular mini schnauzer ;)

Wow, and I thougt Elvis was small- Lol!

As a schnauzer owner I find that pretty amazing. They are so tiny & small, and I think I wanna research on them more, as I think it would be interesting to own one someday.

As for breeding, I say go for it because as long as she DOES her research and be a good breeder then thats fine. I think this would be a great dog to come out with, because some people (like my family) can't go to a shelter and pick out a dog because you don't know their history, we can't end up with a big dog that sheds. anyways my point is I think it will be great because some people need tiny-small dogs who don't shed. So peope have requirments in a dog they want.

but, I say go for it, but make sure she understands what she's getting herself into.

good luck! ;)

*edit* As for genetic problems alot of schauzers have health problem like, Urinary Tract Infections, Pancreatitis, Cushing's Disease, Schnauzer Bumps [allergies] ect

So those are some of the health problems in mini schnuazers though, so, i'm not sure how to help you in that way, but might want to take those health problems a consideration since she might be breeding a even smaller dog.

Sorry, not much help on the genetics problems, but if you have any questions on schanzuers in general, ask!

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Originally posted by cloverfdx
Yes people who know the breed and have exprience in genetics etc, people who are doing it to breed out problems and want to improve a breed.

There is more to breeding than seeing a breed you like and that looks "Popular" at a fair. It take years of planning and $1000s of dollars, with testing and stud fee's and any emergency that pops up along the way.

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I also agree with this 100%

Breeding a breed because it seems popular, usually means they think they'd make alot of money...

Also even if she does her research and is responsible, that still isn't a reason to breed, as almost anyone can do research and become a responsible breeder, but theres no need to.

The con of having a mini Sn is that if one of the mini Sn has a standard gene in it it can cause the pups to be too large inside her & could kill her.

MY friend had one across from my old place & they had a standard too.

They got her in heat & talked to the vet about it. they had to keep he caged or locked in a bedroom just incase the neighbours dog got to her. The neighbours always let their JRT loose (hes attacked all dogs on that street) & hes not fixed. & the JRT was larger then Clair.

The breeder they got her from said she was a really good sized & healthy dog & said she would have been a great breeder, but after my friend learned about the birth problem she got Clair fixed ASAP. She said Clair was her baby & didn't want rick her life for stupid puppies.

Her standard SN male was fixed before they got him. he belonged to her aunt who died & she got Buddy. Buddy was 10 when she got him.. poor old fellow. his pee pee was broken.

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Originally posted by DogLover9501
Also even if she does her research and is responsible, that still isn't a reason to breed, as almost anyone can do research and become a responsible breeder, but theres no need to.

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I agree DogLover. That's a great point. Also thanks to Amber for her advice and to everyone for their input. I guess I did not realize how inflammatory of an issue this could become, probably b/c I'm not over here as much as I should be. :p I went to the pet store last night to buy some food for Sophie and while I was there I picked up a book on Schnauzers. I read about the three types, the breed standards, etc. I think I understand a lot more now about WHY it's important to hold up a breed standard. I did not fully understand the risks of doing something like breeding a dog to be smaller.

And just so you all understand, although my aunt loves animals (she has lizards, horses and a dog) I don't think she fully understands these things either. Hence why she should not go into breeding. But it's her decision, she is an adult, so I'll just leave it at that about her. :)

And Clover, I owe you a public apology. :o Samantha Puppy pointed out to me that in Australia, "Aunty" is the commonly used term for an aunt. I thought you were trying to be snide by using that term...as if I was a child or something, which immediately put me on the defensive for the rest of the day. No hard feelings, OK? :) I don't want to be hated on the Dog side!! :p Water under the bridge? ;)

As others have stated, "Toy Schnauzers" are not a breed. They're simply another "designer" breed like all the poo mixes.

Here are some links...

http://members.aol.com/tcmsc/breeding.html

http://members.aol.com/ktbrit/breedi..._breeders.html

http://amsc.us/about.html

I can't give much advice on toy schnauzers but I wanted to jump in and give my two cents. I agree with both sides of the fence on breeding. Breeding should be done to improve the dog and it should be done by an experienced breeder. On the same token, no breeder was born experienced. It is something that you have to learn. I give you and your aunt credit for researching breeding before you jump into it. Good luck in whatever you decide.

Thanks for the input everyone! Tonya - my aunt is doing this on her own, I just wanted to get some input on it. I agree with what you said otherwise though! ;) :D

Again, I just wanted to say sorry if I brought up a bad topic. I think this issue (of breeders, toys, etc.) is a bit like the declawing issue is for the cat boards...can be a sensitive one, and I had no idea. Sorry if I ruffled feathers unintentionally :)