You are quoting the wrong "sirrah" sara:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by Edwina's Secretary
Watched part of it, but then DH and I could stand no more and turned it off.
...and your point was?
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You are quoting the wrong "sirrah" sara:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by Edwina's Secretary
Watched part of it, but then DH and I could stand no more and turned it off.
...and your point was?
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Originally posted by sirrahbed
I want a president who is committed to sticking with this war until it is won.
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Bush concedes war on terror cannot be won
President George Bush acknowledged today that he does not think the war on terror can be won, but said it would make it less acceptable for groups to use terrorism as a tool.
In a US TV interview, Bush, who has said he expects the war on terror to be a long, drawn-out battle, was asked: “Can we win it?”
The president replied: “I don’t think you can win it. But I think you can create conditions so that the – those who use terror as a tool are – less acceptable in parts of the world.”
You might want to look for another candidate.
*sigh* why does an attempt at discussion always end up with an attempt at clever semantics? I am happy with President Bush. I suppose you could say that no war is really "won" per se, but we will stick with this war until we feel that terrorism is beaten down and that we are safer than before.Quote:
Originally posted by Soledad
You might want to look for another candidate.
Can anyone participate in a discussion without word games? ...without trying to make the person who speaks before you look stupid? quoting and misquoting statements out of context? why does this have to happen?
I started this thread in an attempt to gather intelligent and honest sharing - not silly banter and rhetoric.:rolleyes:
Are we all not people looking for someone to lead us as Americans and to keep our freedoms and strength? WHY ca't we just *talk*? I sometimes think jokes are a cover for not knowing what else to say.
Richard and Sirrahbed - I agree with what you have said re: the protestors. I have been reading about it and watching the interviews with people (protestors and regular people on the streets) on the blogs not necessarily because I agree with what they are doing, but more because I just want to know what's going on in New York City this week, and what real people are thinking. I suppose I could just watch the news. Anyway, I think it's going to turn ugly when GWB speaks. :( I just hope no one gets seriously hurt.
And I will watch the President's speech tomorrow night. I'm not watching the rest because - and I'm not trying to be rude by saying this, I'm seriously just being honest - I already have my mind made up about who I'm voting for. The other speeches, IMO, are there to help sway those still undecided. I'm just interested in listening to the President himself. :)
RICHARD, you really hate protesters, don't you? Why is that? It's the most American activity I can think of. Boston Tea Party, anyone?
Sirrahbed, I wasn't trying to avoid the issue. It's a serious one. W likes to talk in black and whites and mock others who have a more nuanced view of the world and claim he's the only one who can win the war on terror.
In the quote I selected, W actually attempted to give a nuanced view - but rejected it immediately afterwards and had his people out in the media making sure that, indeed, the war on terror can be won. And for that he becomes a flip-flopper and a hypocrite since he likes to go on and on about Kerry flip-flopping.
These aren't word games, these are issues of character and strength. I wasn't joking or attempting to be funny. I was being honest. W likes to portray himself a certain way and routinely enacts policies that defy it. But if you say something enough times eventually people will believe it.
Soledad I find it comical that you are judging President Bush on issues of character and strength. Hello!!!! :rolleyes: I shudder to think what choices John Kerry would have made after 911. He probably would still be trying to make up his mind what to do.Quote:
Originally posted by Soledad
These aren't word games, these are issues of character and strength.
I will reserve any further comments because when you and I have gone around and around in the past it hasn't been a pretty sight. :rolleyes:
I have been getting a copy of the speeches from the RNC as I haven't been able to see the tv . I did like the speech Gov. Arnold gave . I have been able to night listen to Sen. Miller WOW is this guy going to switch parties or what!!!!
He said it just as I would . And I freely and proudly admit I'm a card carring Conservitive Republican.
Soledad are you a debate team member ?Becouse any thread you respond to becomes a very bitter argument from you.
We are all allowed our points of veiw but we need not be nasty about it. Vairity is the spice of life.
i read the Bush girls speech, unbeleiveable how could the speech writers let that happen! All I can think is they want Dad to lose so they are out of the spotlight. It has to be tough growing up that way always being watched , couldn't stand it myself.
We have an intresting governers race going on her. The Democrat picked a Republican for lt. governer (running mate) the thing is the denocrate acts like a republican and the republican is a liberal guy. The republican running against them is way past liberal . I think I may have to vote for the demo/reb. first time in my life I'll vote for a Democrate. Isn't life strange some times?
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Originally posted by Soledad
RICHARD, you really hate protesters, don't you?
I don't hate them, I dislike them immensely.
I know what I dislike, because I was of their ilk once upon a time.
I find that civil disobedience/protesting is a slap in the face to the people who live and work in the area where it takes place.
Breaking windows and slugging cops is a fine way to show contempt for government issues.
It worked at the G8 summit a few years ago, didn't it?? Ask anyone from Seattle how much of a difference it made.
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I wrote you a longer answer but my comp took a dump.....
I'd like to go on with the conversation but I asked for two article on chemweps and napalm use in Iraq before and got no answer....I figured you were tired of me.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by sirrahbed
[B]I noticed that a good discussion went on the week of the DNC and I watched parts of it myself. Am I watching the RNC all by myself or is it so unpopular that we are afraid to admit it for fear of being made fun of?
actually i started the dem convention thread. this week, i've been on the afternoon shift, so i haven't been able to see the speeches in context of the convention and feel unable to comment on them. why do you think that i would make fun of you for watching them? and i'm asking in sincerity. regards joyce
For what it's worth (that and two bits might get you a cuppa) I agree with Soledad 100% and don't apologize for it.
*sighs* another light-hearted discussion turned sour. That's all I'm going to do to acknowledge the negativism.
I especially enjoyed the democrat bashing his own party... what can speak more than that?
Statistics found by my husband last night:
When JFK ran for president, 80% of Catholics voted for him, whereas 20% of protestants voted for him.
In the 2000 election, 80% of all regular church-goers voted for Bush (both Catholic and protestant) and 80% of non church-goers voted for Gore. Makes you think, doesn't it?
*************all figures approximate****************
Hey soledad.
Since I answered your question with the minimum amount of smartassedness, why do you hate the current administration so much?
Now, let me say that I find problems on BOTH sides of the aisle,
But I can find some good too. It seems that some Dems are so fricking closeminded that it doesn't make any difference what the facts are.
If you are going to throw in with the protestors/demostrators
be prepared to be painted with the same brush. I am sure if I went to your D.C. neighborhood to toss trash on the ground, paint graffitti, break windows and vandalize businesses, you'd be ticked off......you'd call the same cops that I'd be punching to save you from my 'protestation'.
And because the people who put the protest together do not condone MY actions they still have to take responsibility for making it possible for a hoodlum, like me, to 'spread my message'.
I am gonna try and not be so confrontational until the election.
And I await your answer.
:D
Here's hoping these are the kinds of issues GWB talks about tonight.
8,170,000 - Total number of unemployed Americans.
$5.2 trillion- Budget deficit over next 10 years if Bush's 2005 budget proposal is enacted.
50 percent - Increase in out-of-pocket health care costs for workers since Bush took office.
49 - Number of states that increased tuition at their public colleges and universities in 2003. State budget cuts fueled by the recession have forced colleges to hike tuitions and fees-threatening access to higher education for low-income students.
I think these are things we all want to hear his thoughts on. I think he should use tonight, when millions will be watching, to address his plans for the next four years and what (at least in a broad sense) he intends to do about these issues. I'm not expecting a detailed outline of plans - I just hope he at least recognizes these issues. I'll be taking notes!!
Has anyone read the article regarding the RNC in USA Today?
It's here.
It talks about TV news commentators talking over the politicians.
I especially like the line, "In the name of all that's holy, shut up." :D
I watched on PBS last night, and thankfully, they didn't talk over the speakers there. I was so glad!
Thanks for posting that link, PJ's Mom.