here's another tidbit...heard on the news today....
Three Afghani girls, around the age of 8 years old were poisoned
with arsenic because they attended school...
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here's another tidbit...heard on the news today....
Three Afghani girls, around the age of 8 years old were poisoned
with arsenic because they attended school...
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I have tried to find a link to the film clip I mentioned in an earlier post..
http://www.hootinan.com/?entry=1686_..._Torture_Video
The link to the clip is no longer vaild.....but the descriptions of the content should be enough.
There can be NO excuse for this kind of behavior.Period.
Posting what others do or haven't done, does not make
these actions defensible or excuseable. The U S is going to
have to start all over in defining themselves to the people
their supposed to be helping set free.
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Originally posted by lizbud
There can be NO excuse for this kind of behavior.Period.
Posting what others do or haven't done, does not make
these actions defensible or excuseable.
I never defended or exciused anyone......just wanted to bring up the differences on how the news is interpreted ........
Funny, the A rab League was offended when they saw the pics of the prison, but THEIR silence was DEAFENING when it's their own people doing it to each other........That's pretty sad....
No wonder they haven't moved their people out of mud huts in 2000 years.
I don't think anyone is disputing what these soldiers did was inexcusable. My problem with the whole thing is that the entire world is taking what a few soldiers have done and villianized the entire U.S. military. There are no decent soldiers that are not appalled by their comrades' actions, but, Europe and the Middle East don't report that. We're just the evil U.S.
A former Iraqi prisoner is quoted to have said that he 'would rather be tortured by Saddam' than to be made to strip in front of American men and women since nudity is verboten in their culture.
I found that to be a very interesting bit of knowledge....
We just have to invent a Nudie Bomb, drop it over the Middle East and while everyone scrambles to find clothes...............
First we have to get it OK'ed by John Ashcroft...
Then there is the prudish John Ashcroft, who makes us laugh. This is an Attorney General so ill at ease with nudity that he ordered a bare-breasted female statue, Spirit of Justice, to be covered up in the Justice Department press room, lest the country's chief law enforcement officer be seen by the world with two large iron nipples as a backdrop.
I just read this on CNN.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...ain/index.html
Apparently some of the lawyers for the military people who
are involved in this scandal say that the troops were just
following orders & that this treatment is part of a systematic
approach to interrogation of prisoners.
I'm amazed at what sickening thoughts your mind has the ability to think. Really, I am amazed.Quote:
Originally posted by RICHARD
A former Iraqi prisoner is quoted to have said that he 'would rather be tortured by Saddam' than to be made to strip in front of American men and women since nudity is verboten in their culture.
I found that to be a very interesting bit of knowledge....
We just have to invent a Nudie Bomb, drop it over the Middle East and while everyone scrambles to find clothes...............
As to humiliation being better than death, I'd like to tell you, I would take death 1000 times over this humiliation of sexual abuse. When you die, you are gone from this world and on to the next. When you are abused and humiliated, its something you will live with for the rest of your life. Humiliation better than death? Yeah right!
Just look at the pictures in the slideshow on this page. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4855930/ This is justified behavior? Really, get a grip on reality. Comparing it to what the Iraqis did doesn't make it right. They are both wrong. They are both war criminals, and they all deserve to be brought to justice. That woman in the pictures has the most evil face I have ever seen. Try convincing the Arab world that this war was to *free* them now. It isn't going to work.
Jeez,Quote:
Originally posted by popcornbird
I'm amazed at what sickening thoughts your mind has the ability to think. Really, I am amazed.
I figured you would have known the movie I was talking about....
http://www.roogulator.esmartweb.com/sf/nudebomb.htm
I don't see you as a fan of farce, though.
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Can you PLEASE prove we go somewhere else when we die?
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Again, WHERE DID I SAY IT WAS JUSTIFIED BEHAVIOR???
The comparison was to show how the Mulsim world WILL NOT ACKNOWLEDGE any HUMAN RIGHTS violations that they have happened in the Middle Eastern countries. If you can quote me where I said that it's justified, I will be more that happy to apologize to you.
We'll never convince the Arab world about anything. They have their minds made up about their place in the world. They choose to inflict barbaric punishments on people who break the "law", and anyone who questions those laws is automatically an infidel...
I have already seen the pictures-what good does it do to post them again??? I already said that it wasn't right.....
Here's a tidbit of common sense that my mom taught me a while back.....See if you can follow the logic....
"Jail is for everyone."
Now if you had behaved yourself and not run around yelling, "Jihad, Occupation" or picked up a gun and turned it against another human being, chances are you would NOT BE IN JAIL OR PRISON. Not to say that it's OK to get punked by an American soldier,
I am just saying that If you do something stupid and get sent to jail or prison, half the problem is you getting there.
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What do you have to say about the three girls who were poisoned for attending school???
And last but not least.....
I seem to keep amazing you......ergo, in order not to be amazed, ignore my posts.
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Liz
The thing about following orders is HORSECRAP.
ANY soldier can refuse to follow an illegal order.
If a soldier does not have the common sense to question an order, they deserve to suffer the consequences.
Usually the way it goes. From the people I've heard interviewed, it is NOT commonplace and standard procedure, quite the opposite. One guy I heard said that the way this broke was the someone in the platoon received the email and had a bout of conscience and turned the disc into commanding officers and the investigating committee.Quote:
Originally posted by lizbud
I just read this on CNN.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...ain/index.html
Apparently some of the lawyers for the military people who
are involved in this scandal say that the troops were just
following orders & that this treatment is part of a systematic
approach to interrogation of prisoners.
I hate it when people try and pass the buck. I know that the female general in charge of the prison is up for court martial also.
You know very well that I think that is the most disgusting thing I have ever heard of. That still does not make what the troops did right. Just because there are evil people in the Muslim world doing such evil things, doesn't mean all Muslims are like that, nor does it mean its something taught in our religion. Its not. The people who do these things can rot in Hell. They've destroyed the image of our faith, and destroyed the image and lives of the entire Muslim world. Do you think I would approve of what they do just because they claim to be Muslim? NEVER! At the same time, the actions of these troops does not mean all of the troops are like that, nor does it mean that's what they are taught to do. Would I justify them just because they are American, and the fact that I'm an American too? NEVER! I stand for justice, and when injustice is being done, it doesn't matter if the ones committing it are Muslim or Christian or Jew, or Hindu, or American, or Arab, or whatever. As long as its injustice, I cannot tolerate it. It doesn't matter who's doing it. Injustice is injustice, period. I do not approve of the crimes Muslims have committed, and likewise, I do not approve of the crimes Americans have committed. I'm not a blind supporter of anyone.Quote:
Originally posted by RICHARD
What do you have to say about the three girls who were poisoned for attending school???
And I would like to add, I am incredibly ashamed of the actions of certain so-called Muslims these days. They have left their religion, and follow their pathetic cultures, that have nothing to do with their religion. I honestly believe this is why they are suffering so much these days. Perhaps God is punishing them for leaving their religion........for leaving the peace, justice, and honesty that Islam teaches, and becoming as evil as evil can get. If you think I'm in favor of what they do there, you are wrong. I would never favor their crimes just because they claim to be Muslim. They are evil-doers, and they make my blood boil, especially when I see so many Americans thinking that what those people do is what Islam teaches. What they do is not what Islam teaches. It has nothing to do with the religion. It only has to do with their stupidity and evil minds. I'm saying this because just as you cannot consider all troops bad because of what happened, you cannot consider all Muslims bad because of the bad apples that are very unfortunately, amongst them. Of the 1.3 billion Muslims in the world, just a handful are evil. I know that in the troops, the evil ones are just a handful too.
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Originally posted by popcornbird
Of the 1.3 billion Muslims in the world, just a handful are evil. I know that in the troops, the evil ones are just a handful too.
Great, we agree on this point.
My condemnation is not for the 1.3 billion Muslims in the world.
My problem is with the .00000000000001 percent who are in the position to use common sense and to talk to the people to get a non violent resolution to some of the problems in the Middle East.
The creep in Fallujah, Sadr, is that his name?? constantly stirs up the hornet's nest by calling for the people to fight the coalition, he could just as easily call for them to lay down their arms and talk about the problem.....He then tells everyone that he will gladly be martyred for the cause....
Well, hiding out in a mosque and shooting at people is a great way to get peace to the region...
Arafat is also another moron who won't be missed on the planet.
Historically, when you lose in a war you kick back and figure out why you lost.....you don't keep crying about a 50 year old loss and whip up the people to kick out the winners......Sore loser?
I should say so...
My point, as you so eloquently pointed out is that if there are 1.3 billion GOOD followers of the Islamic faith, there should be 1,299, 999,900 voices (I just made 100 people evil), united and drowning out the bad ones......
Make that 1.299,999,899.....
I heard you.
And I still have an apology with your name on it.
Any soldier who is given an illegal order is bound by the UCMJ to not follow the order and report the person giving the order. A soldier who doesn't isn't a soldier, they are a craven idiot. The nazis tried the "we were just following orders" bit in Nuremburg, and all it got them was the gallows. I have a very, very hard time believing that a military intelligence unit ordered them to take those actions, especially when a military intelligence unit would not have allowed pictures even IF they did order it. All soldiers are given training on EPW handling prior to deployment, as well as classes on the UCMJ (uniform code of Military Justice), the Law of Land Warfare, and rules for use of force. Those aren't soldiers, those are animals soiling my uniform.
I have not read all the posts, but the old saying "two wrongs don't make a right" apply's, being a NZ'er I donot automatically think all the US Military are bad , it is a few who have spoilt the good name of the US forces, and they should and will be duly punished.
We always heard about the Japanese and the cruelty they endured upon our British soldiers etc, but did we ever hear or know for sure what happened in their camps.
I donot condone any of this behaviour, and was as shocked as the rest of you, on viewing this sad state of affairs.
But I know who I would turn to in times of need THE US FORCES, they saved our country once before, and I would hope like heck they would again.
YES SHAME ON THOSE who committed these crimes, but let us not judge the rest of the US FORCES by their behaviour, it is sad that the iraqi people will hate them even more because of this.