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I have a few gay friends. I too enjoy being with them. But first marraige was "invented" in the bible so it is a religous ceramony. a civil uioun is a govenmental and legal part . So a wedding is a relious ceramony, so it is a moral situation. I have lots of stright friends who have a civil ceramiony.
Logan I too am old fashioned, my gay friends all accept my ideas we just don't talk about it and I don't comment on their lifestyles . we just enjoy the company of each person in the group.
This must be why I seen a sign on a nearby church that says:
"God made Adam & Even, not Adam & Steve"
I just couldn't believe it:(
I personally don't have a problem with it. If your in love, who cares what sex you are.
Frankly, I don't care about Christianity, Muslim, Hinduism or whatever. Seriously, they mean so little to me I could care less.Quote:
Originally posted by kevinrats
Ahh yes. Another Christian hating thread. How original.
First off, don't give me this. Did you know that Muslims, Hindus and all other religions also condemn gay marriage? Did you also know that no culture or religion in the history of the world has condoned gay marriage? Hmmm...could there be a reason for that? But, wait, let's just blame all christians okay? It's easier that way. And it's very original.
Bush is not changing the constitution. The constitution has always defined marriage as a bond between a man and a woman. Always.
This is honestly way overplayed.
What I do care about is two people in this war torn, hectic, violent world. Two people who care enough about each other to make a commitment to be true and faithful to each other. To care for each other in sickness, hard times and adversity. If these two people happen to be the same sex I could care less and frankly it's no one else's business. More power to them for their strength and conviction.
They are people and Americans and they deserve legal rights, too. They shouldn't be treated like second class citizens just because they don't live the way you want them to.
JMHO
Sorry, I got my words mixed up. Scratch that last part.
Chesirekatt, thats what you believe.
I just have one more thing. If what people do behind closed doors stays there, and its "their own private" business, then why are we fighting over it? If that was true, then why are gay people fighting? Shouldn't they just stay behind closed doors? Its not behind closed doors, its out in the open, and people have made it everyone's business.
Firstly, I'd suggest when you address someone you make sure to spell their name correctly.Quote:
Originally posted by kevinrats
Chesirekatt, thats what you believe.
I just have one more thing. If what people do behind closed doors stays there, and its "their own private" business, then why are we fighting over it? If that was true, then why are gay people fighting? Shouldn't they just stay behind closed doors? Its not behind closed doors, its out in the open, and people have made it everyone's business.
Secondly, there are legal rights and ramifications that come with marriage. People need legal protection should something happen to their spouse. This is the issue.
BTW: Welcome to PT.
From what I've heard though, (if I'm wrong, don't rub it in my face too much) gay partners get almost all the benefits of marriage.
Yes, don't you love idiots like me? I'm sure I'm such a pleasure to have on the forum. Sorry. I love you guys! :D
Ah, gotta love that ignore feature.
Ouch!
I am one that honestly can say that I am not going to put somebody down because of what they believe or who the prefer to love. Love is love, no matter who it is. I hate broken hearts!
There is just too many things going on against the homosexual population. Just like with the one friend of one of our members who was beaten because he preferred his own sex. Sorry, but I just don't believe in violence. When they are beaten to the point that they are almost dead, tell me how is that right?? My god, this is a human being beaten to death for something that he or she believes. IMO, its just as wrong, NO! Its more wrong to murder and practice violence! Nobody deserves this kind of treatment!
I say let them live their own lives! LIVE! And Love! Whoever you want to love, I am not going to judge who you pick to be your partner for life. My god, even some of us with children don't like who they pick out to marry! I would love to pick out who my daughter married, but then she would not be happy with the person I picked out! That is what I want for my children, happiness!
Willie
I want to thank those of you who responded to my post. It is hard for me. I am conservative in nature, and this subject is hard for me. I don't have openly "gay" friends. Although one of my best friends has a daughter who is gay, and I enjoy being around her and her partner and have never waivered in that.
I support our President, and I appreciate the fact that he is much more grounded in his beliefs than I am. :o I'm going to try to figure it all out, but either way, I will never pass judgement on anyone. I promise.
Take away the whole taboo aspect of this being gay. We are talking about two human beings that want to share everything life has to offer. Let me try to put the legal aspect of it into proportion:
I am married to a wonderful man that was married before. His first marriage produced three kids. the first wife decided she liked BOTH men and women and left him to play with both. She gave up complete control of the kids. She was responsible for Child Support. Well, ten years later, she has remarried too and has decided not to pay her child support even though she is still legally responsible. She is over $20,000 behind in CS. She hasn't seen or contacted the kids in over three years. When I try to contact the courts to find out why she hasn't been paying, and why she's not being investigated, I am told that I am nobody because the case does not conern me. How? I am in this marriage. I live with these kids and am raising them as my own. I spend all of my time, money, love on them. How could I possiby be nothing? Simple: the laws are written in such a way that I have no power and am not recognised. Sure, I am married to my husband (duh) but my rights regarding the children are nil, and that sucks. I am not asking to take the kids away from her - she can come see them if she wanted to. I'm asking for the right to fight for what the kids deserve from her. My husband is so hurt by this woman that he lets her walk all over him... he knows that he needs me to fight since I have not been hurt in that way.... but I am useless. My hands are tied.
Imagine now, if your whole relationship was that way.
Good point, Catnapper. I have a similar situation, in that I can do nothing in regards to my husband's ex and the decisions about his children either. Darn it! I am opinionated and want to state my case! Although I go through nothing like you do, I still completely understand the comparison you are making and that's why I'm ok with "unions" between two people, regardless of their sex, so that they can be recogognized in legal proceedings, insurance, medical emergencies, etc. It's just the official "marriage" part that I am having trouble with. :o But I'm trying.
I tried not to respond but couldn't do it. I have no strong feelings about the issue of gay marriages, but I do have strong feelings about facts so....
at this time the US Constitution says ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about marriage or marriage being between a man and a woman. Nothing, nada, nil.
Does a homosexual couple enjoy the sames rights as a married heterosexual couple? NO. I am married. If I or my husband becomes incapacitated we have the right to visit each other in the hospital, make decisions about the care of each other. A gay couple does not.
My husband and I file a joint tax return and enjoy tax benefits as a result.
Our employers can offer us spousal coverage on medical, dental, etc. benefits. IF an employer offers such coverage to the partner of a gay employee, it is taxable income to the employee.
If I or my husband die without a will, there are rules that govern the estate and enable us to inherit with minimal effort. Not so if we were not married.
The issue is what is the definition of marriage? Is it like a corporation -- that is establishing a legal entity -- or a religious ceremony? or some combination of both? And what is the governments role regarding marriage?
Rather than react from a religious or emotional perspective I would like to see a debate on the definition of a marriage.
I am much more offended by these fly by Hollywood marriages and the little value that people have today in marriage. I read an article on two 80 somthing year old women who had been together for 51 years and they were finally able to marry. It touched my heart, and made me sad that they had to wait that long. I don't care who gets married to whom. As long as it is done out of love and there are values and effort put into the marriage.