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1) Oops, Dred scott, not Derd scott.
2) Slavery and many issues dealing with it were outlined in the constitution, making federal cases dealing with it plausible.
3) Bad comparison on my part. Dred Scott was an idiotic decision, whereas Roe V Wade was a case which should never have gotten to the federal bench, as the answer is clearly contained in the 10th amendment. However, the courts have been trampling on states rights for a number of decades now, so it doesn't shock me in the least.
Life is rarely simple and NEVER fair.
What about the emotional damage done to a child raised without a father?....what about the emotional damage done to a woman who carries a child she doesn't want for nine months?.... what about the emotional damage to a woman who gives her child up for adoption?....what about the emotional damage to a child who is given up for adoption??????Quote:
There are countless studies regarding how emotionally damaging abortions are to the mothers.
The whole issue is much too complex for simple statements.
Adding to what Edwina's secretary said, What about the amotional damage done to a child who grows up with a mother who resents it for ever being born? What about the emotional damage done to a woman who gives birth so young, even if she doesn't end up keeping it?
I agree with everyone who is saying that if you don't want an abortion, don't have one, but don't mess with another person's right to their own body.
Micki: Yes, I meant that to say that people should stop reproducing as much as we do. We're killing our own habitat, and we have more important things that we should be focused on than what some people chose to do, which does not affect the people who are trying to stop them in any way. I just chose the water supply as an example.
Maybe if our world wasn't to kid-centric we wouldn't have 6.4 billion people and growing. This article scares me! It is ridiculous that so many people should want to bring more people into a world already overflowing.
Just out of curiosity, how would you control this? If people want children, why should they not be allowed to have them? Would you impose limits? Or not allow certain people to reproduce? How would they be allowed to choose? Or maybe the better answer is to just let the species die off. WhenI see what some people do to each other and animals, they may be the right answer!!Quote:
Originally posted by WolfChan
It is ridiculous that so many people should want to bring more people into a world already overflowing.
I guess my point is, if you want your right to choose NOT to have children to be respected, you also must respect those who choose TO have children... Saying that "It is ridiculous that so many people should want to bring more people into a world already overflowing" Is not respecting someone else right to choose to have those children.
Ah, but wouldn't it be great if reproduction was a privelage instead? Make sure all parents had enough time and money to feed/clothe/house their kids and enough common sense to raise them? I sure think so.
I'm not saying that every person you can reproduce should...time and money should be a consideration. But in reality? If we wanted to pay off all our debt and finish remodeling our house and have everything just perfect, we'd be too old to enjoy our children. Some people learn or figure out ways to do what they need to becuase they want children and love them. Would you deny them becuase they only make X amount of dollars? So what criteria do you use?
I have to admit, Sometimes I do think it is a little ridculous that you have to take a class and pass a test to drive a car, but anyone can have a child. :rolleyes:
WOW!
So many thoughts running through my head I can't get them out coherently or quickly enough.
1. NO ONE...and I mean NO ONE has the right to tell me what I can or cannot do with my body. The morality or correctness of abortion has not a darn thing to do with the issue. IT is about CHOICE and always has been about CHOICE!
2. All you right to lifers...what about the life of the teenager who goes to a backally abortionist because the CHOICE to have a safe and legal abortion was taken away. So they make a mistake...or are raped...and suddenly they have the choice of having thier bodies changed forever. NOT just for 9 months but pregnancy can have afteraffects that last a lifetime. Not just emotionally but physically. So now this little teenager is going to have to take her life into her hands because she is terrified to carry on with the pregnancy for whatever reason? Perhaps her parents will disown her, throw her out on the streets...you would be amazed at what some people will do. So now she is looking at a dirty coathook with some quack looking to make a quick buck. So she dies from septicemia...but I guess her life didn't matter did it...I mean...she had the choice didn't she. It wasn't all that long ago that this scenario was happening all over.
Or perhaps she has the child and dies in childbirth. But that is ok...because you SAVED a life!
Like Wolfchan and others have said...if you don't like abortion and think it is murder and morally wrong that is fine. DON'T HAVE ONE!!!! But don't you DARE force the lack of choice of a SAFE AND LEGAL abortion on the rest of us!!!!
As for the population explosion....one day something will have to be done about it. We have a finite amount of space on this earth and a finite amount of resources. They are running out people. But hey....go ahead and keep on breeding...someone has to experience the future:rolleyes:
Denyce
Bravo Denyce, thanks! :)
DITTO!!!! You said EXACTLY what I wanted to say! I applaud your candor!Quote:
Bravo Denyce, thanks!
I have no doubt that is true. However ... there are MANY emotionally damaging things in life. Divorce, for example, is terribly emotionally damaging. Does that mean the federal government should ban marriage? Going to war is emotionally damaging. Working in an emergency room is emotionally damaging.Quote:
There are countless studies regarding how emotionally damaging abortions are to the mothers.
Everyone must have the right to lead their life as they see fit. If they make a mistake, they must deal with the consequences. What people do NOT need is a paternalistic government telling them what is and is not emotionally damaging to an individual, and attempting to legislate our choices away.
Making mistakes, making choices and dealing with the consequences is part of becoming a mature, responsible adult. I resent someone telling me I am too stupid to make those choices on my own.
RIGHT ON!!!!!Quote:
Everyone must have the right to lead their life as they see fit. If they make a mistake, they must deal with the consequences. What people do NOT need is a paternalistic government telling them what is and is not emotionally damaging to an individual, and attempting to legislate our choices away.
Making mistakes, making choices and dealing with the consequences is part of becoming a mature, responsible adult. I resent someone telling me I am too stupid to make those choices on my own.
I agree Denyce! And, another thing that really burns me up is seeing all those commercials for impoverished countries. Asking for my money to feed all the children so they can create more victims to their poverty. I refuse to donate to something like that. I would, however, donate for birth control for them. And yes, maybe a limit on how many kids they could have should be issued when it's proof that they can't even provide for themselves. Instead of depending on others for donations and welfare.
Holy crap.
First off, the moment the egg is fertilized, it IS NOT YOUR BODY your dealing with anymore. It is a whole new being.
For the comment about teens "making a mistake" about having sex too early. Well, too bad cuz they made that choice and they should deal with the consequences. Its the only way your going to learn in life.
About abortion being made illegal...I think it's probably dumb, because people are still going to have them, and it would be more dangerous. On the other hand, it might deter some from getting one.
About getting raped/molested. I know how terrible this is, because people in my family have been there. But no matter what, if you get pregnant, you're going to be carrying that baby some of the time. Why not give it a chance and adopt it out? Would it scar you anymore that killing the baby?
You all have almost no respect for the miracle of life. It really sickens me.
Okay, now you can start yelling.
Leave it to a male to not care about the woman that's pregnant. Easy for you to say. Also easy because you are very young and without any life experience, it is much simpler to have things black and white. Life is not that easy. I also see that these are your first posts. Did you join just to fire up people?
Yeah, pretty much. I just saw this thread and it made me mad. And don't tell me just because I'm male, I don't care. I do care, a lot, because this goes on all over, in my family and whatnot. Don't generalize the entire male gender. It's not fair.