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I don't have a problem with pagan stuff. I have friends that are pagan and that's fine. That's what fits their lifestyle and I do think it's interesting. I LIKE Yule cards. I DON'T like to have a political agenda shoved down my throat at Christmas time and ANYTHING with Planned Parenthood printed on it sends a political message. Now, understand that I think Planned Parenthood does a lot of good work and do support them on many things, I just don't want a Christmas card about it.
Absolutely! I couldn't agree more. Let's try and leave Christ in Christmas, lest we forget JESUS IS THE REASON FOR THE SEASON. Let these people find another vehicle to push their agenda.Quote:
Originally posted by Dogz
Personally, I wouldn't buy them. I think that Christmas is about Christ so I think I would at least want a Christmas card that said Merry Christmas. I am not TOTALLY against them, but as some other people say, Christmas isn't the time.
I probably wouldn't buy them, but I like them.
I don't believe in organized religion so I usually lean more toward the funny or "cutesie" animal cards ;)
I agree with Cheshirekatt, I'd be happy that someone just took the time to send me a card. To me, this time of year is more about remembering those you care about, letting them know you're thinking about them, and spending time with them if possible :)
I see no problem with the greeeting on the INSDIE fo the card...but the front is political, and does not belong at Christmas.
If you don't belive in the meaning CHRISTmas, fine. No problem. But why not shoose something that just says "Happy Holidays" or "Happy New Year" or "Have a nice winter"
As others have said, Time and Place.
Multi use Holidays are kinda OK with me..
If you take the "AR" out of ARBOR day, it become a "BOR"-
Then what would Pirates celebrate?
Biblical historians will tell you that Jesus was not born on Christmas, or in the year where we divide the calendar BC/AD.
Not to be the one to disabuse anyone of their misconceptions. Sorry!
The solstices and eqinoxes have been used as celebration times for many thousands of years. I do prefer the Prince of Peace to Santa, just wish more listened to Jesus' words than to the the embellishments.
Look back, the holiday was Yule long before it was Chriustmas. I'm not trying to bash anyone else's beliefs, (After all, I was raised in a Catholic family) but the fact is that it has been a pagan holiday for thousands of years. :)
*sigh* I'm still waiting for them to come in. I wish I hadn't paid for second day air, because it's now day four and they're not here. *grumble*
I would think that if I was sent a Christmas card that said something like "abortion kills - choose life!" I'd be pretty annoyed. Not the time in my mind to be parading your political beliefs.
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Originally posted by mugsy
Time and Place.
Political agendas don't have a place on a Christmas card.
While I agree with both human rights and animal rights, they don't belong on a Christmas card.
Just my opinion. I would not buy them, nor send them, and I'm not too sure how I would feel about receiving one unless it was from someone I knew very well and would feel comfortable enough to tell them what I thought.
I agree.
I am pro-choice and pro-animal rights ... and pro-a lot of other things ... but CHRISTmas is about the birth of CHRIST, IMO. Would you send someone a political message on Easter? On Chanukkah? On Eid? On their birthday? Of course not. So why on Christmas?
IMO, sending someone a card is about THEM, not about YOU and YOUR beliefs. You send someone a card or buy them a present to make them feel happy and loved and special ... not to make yourself feel good about spreading a politcal message from your personal soapbox. Just MHO.
I don't see anywhere where it's saying anything about abortion, or any sign of shoving your beliefs down someone's throat. AND, I don't see how the front is political in any way.
Also, I like to recieve cards from each person that has a little bit of THEM in it, not about me, since it shows who's it's from and each one is special because it's not all about me. Sorta like my grandparent's cards are more religious and normally all about God and contain long paragraphs about God and religious things -- as to my aunt's are normally short, cute, and funny. :) I don't believe in God, and my parents are not the most religious people in the world, but we still recieve cards from each person every year, religious or not.
I agree with whoever said (sorry too lazy to go back and look again) about just feeling special that someone thought of me during the holidays and took the time and effort to put something for me to enjoy in an envelope and send it.
Exactly! I have a couple of Jewish people on my holiday list and I would certainly never send them a Christmas card. That's why Hanukkah cards and such are made. You buy the card for the person and their reason for celebrating, not to push an agenda.Quote:
Originally posted by Twisterdog
IMO, sending someone a card is about THEM, not about YOU and YOUR beliefs.
In other words, preach to the choir?
Looks to me like the words "planned parenthood" are the only controversial things about these cards. They bring the spectre of abortion to the Holy Birth story, which is disconcerting!!!
The message "Have a happy and healthy holiday" seems benign.
The back reads:
March for Freedom of Choice! Washington, DC April 25, 2004 www.plannedparenthood.org
Gee, now there's nothing political about this!
It may be political, but I don't see how it should be offending, controversial or how it's shoving her beliefs down anyones throat.
A card could say "March for Christ!" blah,blah,such,and such date "www.fsdafsadf.com" -- and someone could send it to me. Would it mean they're shoving it down my throat sending it to me, someone that doesn't really believe in religions? No.
They took the time and day to think of me, and send me a card -- And i'd be grateful.
I don't see how something about 'Freedom of Choice' should be offending. Isn't it sort of like saying 'Peace on Earth', as a Christmas card?
I still, just don't get what's so wrong about the card... The back is just sort of like where it comes from.. Shall someone get offended if it says "March for Hallmark" ?? :rolleyes: :confused: ;)
Aaah KayAnn but to those of us who hold this holiday as sacred it should not have to be shared with a political message. I know you hold no religious beliefs, and that is certainly your choice, but there are still plenty of us who do and to us it is offensive to use the Birth of Christ to preach another message. Jesus has had to share the spotlight with Santa for years now and so many little children now think first of Santa when they think of Christmas. How very sad. Why are people so intent on removing Christ from Christmas and diluting His message? What are they afraid of?Quote:
Originally posted by Kfamr
They took the time and day to think of me, and send me a card -- And i'd be grateful.
Also, just think about it, if Mary had had "Freedom of Choice" she might have chosen to abort the Holy Child. Certainly one could understand her plight - unmarried and pregnant back in a time when that carried very harsh consequences. Think of the repercussions for all of mankind if that had happened.
This card is just wrong and offensive IMHO.