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My dogs eat raw meat & eggs sometimes & never had a problem. What do you think they ate in the wild? Why do so many dogs do good on the barf diet?
Anyways, more ideas for kong toys!
I fill mine w/ almost anything & everything. I try to combine the items so they taste well together, like yougurt & fruits, leftover meats & potatoes, peanut butter & jelly or friuts, kibbel mixed w/ rice etc! The list is endless! They can also be frozen for a nice summertime treat! :p
What do you think they looked like in the wild? So many things about them have changed, including what they should eat.Quote:
What do you think they ate in the wild?
I wouldn't feed my dog any raw meat, ecspecially because samonella and the other harsh diseases that can get from it...:eek:
Dogs have been domesticated and not wild for a LONG time.....it's not dogs that ate raw meat in the wild, its wolves, coyotes, etc.Quote:
Originally posted by lv4dogs
My dogs eat raw meat & eggs sometimes & never had a problem. What do you think they ate in the wild? Why do so many dogs do good on the barf diet?
I bought that new Kong Stuff'n and Nebo LOVES that stuff....I also like to freeze water in it in the summer. :)
wolf_q is right. They didn't come from the wild just yesterday. They say that dogs diverged from wolves 14000 years ago, but recent evidence has proved that they came 135000 years ago! :eek:
Sorry if I caused an uproar. I know dogs have been domesticated for a long time but there are still alot of wild dogs out there, not just coyotes & wolves. Even in the old days there were wild dogs. And when dogs were first domesticated people fed them raw meat along with cooked table scraps. Even us people eat a lot of things we shouldn't! So my dogs deserve a treat once in a while. I feed my dogs nutro but do feed raw meats too. I get all farm fresh meat with no addatives in the meat or animal for myself & my dogs which helps leson a lot of complications & illnesses. Like I have said in other posts many times each dogs system is different, my dogs have never had a problem with it, I am not saying that raw food is right for every one its just that personally I see no problem with it if that is what you choose to feed. Why does the barf diet work so darn well w/ a lot of dogs?
Raw food does not make every dog sick & even dog food can cause cause the above illnesses & then some.Quote:
and that it actually makes them sick. Can give them pancreatis, brain and kidney illnesses, etc.
That's true, but only raw meat and/or eggs can cause samonella, and that's one of the main reasons I'm against raw feed, particularly because an infected dog does not always go noticed. Sometimes the dog does not show any illnesses when it carries samonella, but once the dog contributes the disease to the humans around it, then it gets bad. There can be law suits, and it's a terrible thing to have to lose your dog and your money.Quote:
Raw food does not make every dog sick & even dog food can cause cause the above illnesses & then some.
It's just my opinion, I don't mean to offend anyone :)
Just going to throw my 2 cents worth in here ............ about the eggs.
I read on a "doggie" site that dogs cannot digest the white part of a raw egg ........ so I give mine the yolk mixed with their food, and make meringue with the white :D
The meringue is for ME!
samonella is EVERYWHERE, their is NO such thing as a salmonella free anything. my dogs are on a totally raw diet and it saved their lives. happy almost died from a non-raw diet(tryed several types of, including homecooked), shadow was so sick that we almost put her down to get her out of her misery. that was 2 years ago, happy now has a an amazing immune system, shadow no longer has ANY of the ailments she preveisly had, she acts like a puppy again. Ripley went from dull coat and being very pugy and lazy to a glossy coat, very muscular, and fast and agile. perky is just plain out healthier, and misty went from a dull flaky coat, and being stinkie when we got her, and now she has a glossy coat and does not smell at all. anybody who says that raw meat is no good, and has no benifet has never seen a dog fed a proper raw diet, either that or they are extremly close minded :rolleyes:Quote:
That's true, but only raw meat and/or eggs can cause samonella
You can't call me close-minded, because this is my opinion! I never said that I was a genius, just that I believe the scientists that do this particular research. How can you say that there's no such thing as a samonella free anything? Samanella is not in fruit, veggies, bread, cereal, blah blah balh, I could name billions of foods that don't caryy that disease. If there was no such thing as samonella free anything, don't you think we'd all be infected?! :rolleyes:
Samanella ONLY comes from partially cooked or uncooked animal products, not including milk. Yes, it can be found in dog foods that hadn't had the meat in it cooked properly. I've heard alot of strife over the product "Farmore" for selling products that carry samonella.
I'm glad that your dogs like it, but like I said, it's only my opinion that there is too much worry over it and it's not something I would feed my dogs. I've taken into consideration what people are saying, and it's changed my point of view. So obviously if you can't bear to stop stating your opinions as facts, and making generalized comments, than you are the close-minded one, not I or the scientists who take thier time and devotion into researching this for us. Obviously this diet is only for some dogs.
I know dogs who have lived past fifteen, some up to eighteen, on the raw diet. But I've known more dogs who have died or gotten ill from it.
it was not you I was calling close minded wolfsoul. there is no
un-biased scientific studys on raw or kibble diets, they are sponsered by pet food companies, so obviously the info on raw diets and kibble diets will be skewed. and salmonella is everywhere, I got that info from several soarces that I would post if we had not gotten a friggen virus. and I also got that info confirmed by a nurtionist. I dont think everyone should feed raw, or that it is best for every dog. I know some very healthy dogs on kibble diets, and homecooked diets. but it is way better for my dogs. I get angry sometimes because I am sick of hearing all the same reasons from people from people against raw. and I know for a fact that they are all friggen lies, it just makes me really made cuz some people think I am awful for feeding raw, and how could I put my dogs at risk? a dog getting samonella from raw meat is very rare, and only happens to dogs who's owners dont feed raw diet properly. you are getting more info on it, and your opinion is changing you are definatly not close minded. I am not close minded, I just see so many lies about it, it makes me so mad :mad:
My dogs love the kong stuffn too--and what a great idea with the water--the all just LOVE ice cubes!!!!Quote:
Originally posted by wolf_Q
I bought that new Kong Stuff'n and Nebo LOVES that stuff....I also like to freeze water in it in the summer. :)
Sorry Cali, it's just that you said that anybody who says that raw meat is no good, and has no benifet has never seen a dog fed a proper raw diet, either that or they are extremly close minded...and I have seen a dog fed a proper raw diet who died :( It's in the other thread. :(
I have heard many facts about sprouts, broccoli & other foods that have been infected w/ samanella. Even right here in my area a few years back. Granted thoses foods are not the producers of samanella but they sure can be the carriers!The samanlla probably came from some kind of meat somewhere but the samanella infected veggies & fruits were available to the public at stores so it can be found anywhere & everywhere. So unless you grow your own fruits & veggies, make your own bread w/ your own grown ingredients etc.. you will never ever be samanella free.Quote:
How can you say that there's no such thing as a samonella free anything? Samanella is not in fruit, veggies, bread, cereal, blah blah balh, I could name billions of foods that don't caryy that disease. If there was no such thing as samonella free anything, don't you think we'd all be infected?!
I realize this, but that does not meant that it's in every single bit of veggie and fruit and whavetever else in the entire world..
Abby gets PB Kongs all the time.