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I think everyone needs to take a deep breath.
The latest on this subject is by Tucker Carlson, sitting in for Hannity last evening. He(Carlson) thinks Vick should have been executed for the dog killing.
In this country we are at times hard pressed to execute people who kill people.
Both of these men, Obama and Carlson, should have thought before speaking.
I'm with Cindy....I always yell against the eagles...but then being from Dallas, that isn't too hard....:)....I will never root for the dog killer.....I know he went to jail and served his time, but that doesn't mean I have to like him or root for him....not when there are so many other good role models like Drew Brees or Sam Bradford. I honestly think he would still be doing dog fighting except for the fact he got caught....and I'm not completely convinced he wouldn't be doing it again except for the fact he is in the constant public eye....maybe I've gotten cynical in my old age, but I have little tolerance for animal or child abusers....
Thank you Shannon. :) And you are totally right. He probably would do it again if he wasn't "well-known".Quote:
Originally Posted by boomersooner
I also agree with Mary....his time will come.
I am not surprised that Obama is a Michael Vick fan, birds of a feather flock together.
He has never once as far as I know expressed any sorrow for those Poor Dogs.
If sports were not so highly overated in American life, and winning at all costs so treasured Vick would still be in jail.:mad::mad::mad:
Birds of a feather - exactly what do you mean by this phrase? Vick is not a politician; Obama is not a football player.Quote:
Originally Posted by catmandu
I have to chime in on this.....
My mom had this little story about her neighborhood in Van Nuys, CA.
She mentioned a man who ran over a dog and killed it, on the block she lived in.
She said that for years afterwards the man was known as a 'Mata Perros' - translated?
He kills dogs or Dog Killer.
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In high school my journalism class took a trip to the Los Angeles Times building and were given a tour of the setup.
One of the things that amazed me was the 'morgue'. The morgue was an area where all the obituaries are pre written for all people of note-actors, politicians, dignitaries and so on...
So when that person dies, there is no rush to write a newspaper piece on them-the changes are made as time goes on and there are just a few facts to insert into the article before it's published.
So........be assured that when the time comes for the lord to call MV to heaven that no one reading his obit will escape the facts of what he did in his life.
He has done penance for what he did to those dogs, but he'll go down in history as a "Mata Perros".
He'll never escape that footnote to his life....
I don't know anything about sports but surely there is someone else, ANYONE ELSE, that has been given a second chance in sports that Obama could have commented on. It was in bad taste, IMO. It wasn't even necessary for him to comment at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilith Cherry
First, and forever foremost- I blame Michael Vick for what horrors he perpetrated on those innocent beings.
But, I also blame the American public for "getting over it" and continuing to watch/support ANY team that allows people like Vick to continue on.
Make no bones about it- if Michael Vick on the Eagles was a losing financial move, The Eagles would have turned their back on him. BUT, people still go to the games, buy the gear, tune in, etc. The American people "got over it" and the Eagles knew this would be the case.
So, shame on Vick, no doubt. But, shame on the American people.
Voting with ones pocketbook is still the ticket in the USA. Turn it off, tune it out. After all- it is a flipping SPORTS team. It isn't family, it isn't a job requirement, no one is forcing one to watch it. It is S.P.O.R.T.S. Considering what those poor innocent animals went throug- it is the least one could do.
Cute story but incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
Newspapers do prepare obituaries of famous people in advance.
However, a newspaper morgue is not where those are stored. A quick check in Google or the like would have told you...
But then a similar search would have shown Obama did not praise Micheal Vick.Quote:
Morgues are collections of reference clippings files maintained for the news sources’ researchers and reporters. Morgue files do not include entire issues or intact front pages. Articles from various information sources concerning newsworthy individuals and topics were clipped and gathered together by subject headings, not dates. Clippings morgues provide an excellent resource for research, since actual copies of all the articles desired on one topic are contained in one place, and not scattered throughout microfilmed, chronological reels of entire publications.
But why let facts get in the way?
It's Alive !!!
And Mr. Vick should be in jail. Dead or alive, he's a total waste of time.
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Originally Posted by wombat2u2004
Yes, and doing well, thank you very much.!!! :D :D LOL
No one ever said President Obama is a Michael Vick fan. As I said, he was commenting on people getting a second chance after they have served jail time, and if anything was praising the coach, not Michael Vick.Quote:
Originally Posted by catmandu
Pres Obama could have easily gotten his point across without referring to anyone in particular, and spelling out Vick as an example, was not at all necessary. There are plenty of people out there that have made a comeback after screwing up their lives and that of so many others along with their own - why spell out one of the worst people possible??? A dirtbag is a dirtbag is a dirtbag, and no amount of money and so-called redemption will ever change that fact.
Obama did not call a press conference. All he did was have a phone conversation with a coach, which has now been blown out of all proportion by every branch of the media, because it had to with Michael Vick. If he had used any other example, which he may have done in conversations a million times over his life, it would not have made the news.
A press conference??? - no, of course not. So how did John Q Public get hold of the phone conversation??? - obviously Eagles Coach Andy Reid felt the need to inform the world of the wonderful decision he made to bring Vick on in the first place, and Mr President is praising his decision. IMO it was still a bad choice for Mr President to acknowledge a particular individual. It really does send a bad message and leaves out praise to others that are more deserving of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karen