ES. as usual I agree with you 100%, Some people have f**ked up lives. I've had my own..not close to this but my sincere wish is that all come out on the otherside Relatively whole.
Blessings. Why the heck am I in the Dog House? LOL
Claudia
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ES. as usual I agree with you 100%, Some people have f**ked up lives. I've had my own..not close to this but my sincere wish is that all come out on the otherside Relatively whole.
Blessings. Why the heck am I in the Dog House? LOL
Claudia
I dont really see Mackenzie Phillips as a victim in the same way the child RP victimized.
Why bring Palin's book into this thread? Makes no sense to do so.
Agreed! The general public has no need to know this whatsoever. I would imagine that healing is not going to be more likely to happen by telling millions of people. Or by making money off a book.Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
Whether forced or consensual, it's sick and never should have happened. Phillips is a victim of both her father and herself. IMO, some people may object to the story not because it's about incest but because she's been out of the spotlight and has written a book about something that should be between her and her therapist. These tell-all books serve no purpose other than to make money for the author. I can't imagine that she wrote it for altruistic reasons. I wish her peace and healing but I wish she'd find that peace and healing in private.
I do think that part of her feels like telling her story will help other victims of such abuse deal with it, and know they are not alone. Or at least someone in publishing convinced her of that.
I don't buy that for a second. It was consensual so she isn't a totally innocent victim. IMO she sees this as a way to make a quick buck. Sexually sensational stories sell!Quote:
Originally Posted by Karen
The fact that the man in this sick relationship was her FATHER is what makes it wrong. If the man was a neighbor, a teacher etc. it would be a different story entirely. Her FATHER should never have touched her. I don't care how old she was when it started. Do you know how powerful FATHER figures are, in most girls lives? I know that my father ruled the roost in our house. He, however, did not have a sexual relationship with me.
I put 100% of the blame on the father, sorry, but that is my take on this entire mess.
Is she pushing her book for the money? Probably. Does she need the money? Probably.
I would never publish anything like this .... but I am not in her shoes.
Will more people "come out" and talk about their relationships or others' in the families? Probably.
Anyone who was in a sexual relationship with their father or mother, deserves a little slack and is the innocent party for sure. Come on, aren't parents supposed to know better? Do you really think anyone at age 20 is totally responsible for much they do?
I give this young woman a pass and let her sell her book, recover some money, and live on. She deserves some support and compassion. No FATHER should touch a daughter.
I won't buy her book (or Sarah Palin's) because they are not ones I want to read or buy.
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Originally Posted by pomtzu
I so agree with your statement. If she is loking for healing I don't think she'll find it by yelling it from the rooftops. Speaking to a therapist in private would have been more healing than hearing some of the snide comments that will no doubt be made by many. I think she's after a quick buck, but I won't be helping her with that since I have no interest in that kind of garbage.
I feel sorry for her family , I think they will be paying the price for her dragging this for the world to see.
I disagree! Yes, I really do think people are responsible for what they do at age 20! At age 20, I certainly did some things I would not do now, and made some dumb choices. But did I know right from wrong? You bet. We are talking about age 20, not age 12. And this affair went on for ten years ... so if it started at age 20, it continued to age 30.Quote:
Originally Posted by sasvermont
I blame the dad - he had power over her by giving her drugs from the time she was 11 years old. She was hooked, and that was it.
It's how pimps get young girls into the "trade".
I so agree!Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisterdog
I can't believe that MP was so stoned out of her mind 24/7, that she couldn't have stopped it if she really wanted to. I'm in no way defending her father - he was a sick s.o.b. for what he did to her - both with the drugs and sex - but she could have walked away from it at any time. At 20 years old most people have a sense of responsibility and know right from wrong.
Sas: When I was 20, I had been married for 2 years, was expecting my first child, running a household and working part time. So go ahead and call me irresponsible.....:mad:
Blame and responsibility are not one and the same. The father is to blame for what he did to her. She is responsible for cleaning up her life. Twisterdog makes a valid point about Phillips continuing the incestuous relationship for 10 years until she was 30. She began as a victim but, IMO, she continued as a volunteer. She also had the opportunity to bring this all to light while her father was alive and for whatever reason, she chose not to. I can't help but think it's because she was off the radar screen and wanted attention. I saw part of an interview w/her where she talked about the incest and she was a little too free w/the toothy smiles. That isn't to say that she needs to be morbid for the rest of her life but she just didn't come across as genuine. However, no matter what did transpire, I do hope that she gets the help she needs and can manage to have as "normal" a life as possible. No one deserves to live in the shadow of incest.
I saw an interview with Chynna the other day on TV quite by accident. This is not the kind of stuff I am drawn to. :( Tell-all books IMHO are not written for healing but rather to make money. *sigh* Didn't Roseanne Barr have the same sort of thing going on in her life too - found out by regressing to past lives or some such nonsense? :rolleyes: Please people, we do not want to hear it. Get help like all of the other "non-public" victims do and forget the books.
bingo!!!Quote:
twisterdog makes a valid point about phillips continuing the incestuous relationship for 10 years until she was 30. She began as a victim but, imo, she continued as a volunteer. She also had the opportunity to bring this all to light while her father was alive and for whatever reason, she chose not to
:rolleyes: Its called Money Money == She is doing all of this for Money..