:p Aint that the Damn Truth.. :rolleyes: LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Grace
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:p Aint that the Damn Truth.. :rolleyes: LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Grace
Let's review,
A single mom? 14 kids?
HMMMM!
I don't think that J and K + 8 live off of his salary alone. My dad raised six as a 'laborer' and my mom working part time, then full time when we were old enough.
J+K+8 'live' off of their program, the kindness of others and corporate 'sponsors'.
I happened by a spot when the kids had a birhday-even I have a curiosity about that trainwreck- and the mom was unpacking some shirts that were sent by a 'fan'. They also had some huge benefactors when they were first born.
As for the vacations?
Dizzyland and the producers of the program look for opportunities to showcase
the family out in public. I watched the Dizzyland episode and had to laugh about the accomodations and all the 'perks'.
Unless I win the lottery, I would never even dream of going and spending a week there, let alone with 8 kids. It's all donated thru the public relations offices of DL and the DISC Channel. The foot forward -or 20 feet - isthey want to portray is the Magic Kingdom is great place to take a litter of children for fun and games.
"LooK! IF John and Kate do it! We can with our 3-1-4-5-7-? kids!
Think of it on real terms.
Hotel SUITE! for 5 days? Tickets to the park? 200 dollars for the adults, 240 for the kids, and the prices are guesstimates? Food and god knows what else!
We have a Six Flags up the road- I was given a comp ticket when they were 10 bucks. NOw?
That may be a burger, coke and fries after I pay 45 to get in.
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Embryo Reduction?
Every facet of the world has their 'non offensive terminology'.
Some kids took grandma's car, got pulled over and ran from the cops.
The 14 y.o. that was driving got the car up to 90 and crashed it. The cops sugar coat the crash with termiology, abbreviations and other PR drivel because they don't want to acknowledge that they chased a car full of kids to death- If I remember one was 11 and another was 15?
More news on this. It appears she does have a husband.
Suleman said she was concerned about her daughter's homecoming because her husband, a contract worker, is due to return to Iraq.
From the LA Times-
According to an earlier report, she did not show up at Kaiser until she was close to 12 weeks along. So they did not implant the embryos.Quote:
The mother of a woman who gave birth on Monday to octuplets said her daughter already has six children at home and was undergoing fertility treatment.
The Los Angeles Times reported on Thursday that Angela Suleman said her daughter had the embryos implanted last year, resulting in the eight births.
"They all happened to take," Suleman told the Times.
My question - what doctor in his/her right mind would treat a woman for infertility when she had undergone 5 pregnancies, resulting in 6 children over the previous 6 years?
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Originally Posted by Grace
Grace,
I worked for the "permanente" for a long time-they did what was good 'for the company' quite a few times. How's about the OB docs stalling a New Year's Eve birth to get the "first kid of the year" on their resume. I think that's what happened in Orange COunty this year.
They have a PR machine next to none!
http://www.myfoxla.com/myfox/pages/H...Y&pageId=1.1.1
Enough said?;)
The reports from the local news media was that she was single and living with mom.
The more I hear, the more I question the whole idea, story and morals.:rolleyes:
Just found this -
From CBS News -
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CBS News has learned that the family of the octuplets born this week outside Los Angeles filed for bankruptcy and abandoned a home a little over a year-and-a-half ago.
Early Show national correspondent Hattie Kauffman says the mother is in her mid-thirties and lives with her parents.
There's been no mention of the octuplets' father, Kauffman observes.
The grandfather, she adds, is apparently going to head back to his native Iraq to earn money for the growing family. He told CBS News he's a former Iraqi military man.
Kauffman reported Thursday, and the octuplets' maternal grandmother now confirms to the Los Angeles Times, that the babies' mother already had six young children.
And a family acquaintance had told Kauffman that two of the six other kids are twins, and the six range in age from about two to about seven.
The mother's name is still being kept under wraps.
But her mother, Angela Suleman, also tells the newspaper her daughter conceived the octuplets through a fertility program.
Suleman told the Times her daughter had embryos implanted and, "They all happened to take."
On The Early Show Friday, the scientific director of an Atlanta-area fertility clinic blasted whichever clinic did the implantations, saying he's "stunned."
Doctors at the hospital where the octuplets were born, Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center in Bellflower, Calif., some 17 miles southeast of L.A., say the patient came to them already three months pregnant.
Asked at a news conference whether fertility assistance should be provided for a mother who already has multiple children, Dr. Harold Henry, part of the team that delivered the octuplets, said, "Kaiser has no policy on that, adding that doctors counseled the woman on her options.
"The options," said Henry, "were to continue the pregnancy or to selectively abort. The patient chose to continue the pregnancy."
Dr. Karen Maples, who also helped deliver the octuplets, read a statement from the mother saying, "My family and I are ecstatic about all of their arrivals."
The woman and her children live in a neighborhood of small, one-story homes, Kauffman reports, all with two-to-three bedrooms at most. Soon, she pointed out, there will be 14 children and at least three adults living in one of the homes -- until the grandfather heads back to his native Iraq,
Kauffman says unanswered questions include where the woman got the fertility treatments and how they were paid for.
On The Early Show Friday, Michael Tucker, scientific director of Georgia Reproductive Specialists, says all these developments leave him "stunned. As the story's unfolded and it's gone from the potential use of just fertility drugs, or misuse thereof, to actual, apparently, IVF (in-vitro fertilization) with transfer of embryos, this is just remarkable to me that any practitioner in our field of reproductive medicine would undertake such a practice."
Tucker, who has a doctorate in reproductive physiology, says it's "absolutely" possible the octuplets' mother got pregnant with them by taking fertility drugs on her own without the help of a clinic, "and that seemed the most plausible scenario, simply because the profession, we're policed by the American Society of Reproductive Medicine, has focused so minutely on the fact that we need to reduce the number of embryos that we transfer. We really are all about seeking the one, the one embryo that's going to make the healthy, single-born baby.
"And this kind of multiple plethora excess of babies is too much of a good thing. And it's rather a slap in the face of the whole profession, simply because it's going in the wrong direction.
"And it's unfortunate, because the media pick up on this and seem to go, I think, Arthur Kaplan from UPenn (University of Pennsylvania) said the media tend to go goo-goo gaga over this and, in fact, it's really a bit of a medical disaster."
"Had she walked into a fertility clinic and said, 'Listen, I've got other children, the oldest seven, the youngest two,' co-anchor Julie Chen asked Tucker, "is there any ethical responsibility on the clinic's part to say, 'I'm not going to treat you,' or, 'You know what? This is not a good idea?" '
"Suffice to say," Tucker responded, "I've been in this business for 25 years now. And it's pretty much standard practice in all clinics to have some form of psychological evaluation of the patient. Also, their sociological circumstances. And I'm stunned, actually, that a clinic would proceed to treat a patient in this circumstance and then even to get to perhaps the transfer of embryos and ponder the transfer in, I believe, the lady's mid-30s, a 35-year-old -- she should be receiving two embryos, maximum, as a transfer into her uterus to have had eight transferred is somewhat -- is extremely irresponsible."
This story is better than a circus!
Gets better with each passing hour. From YAHOO news -Quote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
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Grandma: Octuplets mom obsessed with having kids
By RAQUEL MARIA DILLON, Associated Press Writer
Jan 31, 10:30 am ET
LOS ANGELES – The woman who gave birth to octuplets this week conceived all 14 of her children through in vitro fertilization, is not married and has been obsessed with having children since she was a teenager, her mother said.
Angela Suleman told The Associated Press she was not supportive when her daughter, Nadya Suleman, decided to have more embryos implanted last year.
"It can't go on any longer," she said in a phone interview Friday. "She's got six children and no husband. I was brought up the traditional way. I firmly believe in marriage. But she didn't want to get married."
Nadya Suleman, 33, gave birth Monday in nearby Bellflower. She was expected to remain in the hospital for at least a few more days, and her newborns for at least a month.
A spokeswoman at Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center said the babies were doing well and seven were breathing unassisted.
While her daughter recovers, Angela Suleman is taking care of the other six children, ages 2 through 7, at the family home in Whittier, about 15 miles east of downtown Los Angeles.
She said she warned her daughter that when she gets home from the hospital, "I'm going to be gone."
Angela Suleman said her daughter always had trouble conceiving and underwent in vitro fertilization treatments because her fallopian tubes are "plugged up."
There were frozen embryos left over after her previous pregnancies and her daughter didn't want them destroyed, so she decided to have more children.
Her mother and doctors have said the woman was told she had the option to abort some of the embryos and, later, the fetuses. She refused.
Her mother said she does not believe her daughter will have any more children.
"She doesn't have any more (frozen embryos), so it's over now," she said. "It has to be."
Nadya Suleman wanted to have children since she was a teenager, "but luckily she couldn't," her mother said.
"Instead of becoming a kindergarten teacher or something, she started having them, but not the normal way," he mother said.
Her daughter's obsession with children caused Angela Suleman considerable stress, so she sought help from a psychologist, who told her to order her daughter out of the house.
"Maybe she wouldn't have had so many kids then, but she is a grown woman," Angela Suleman said. "I feel responsible and I didn't want to throw her out."
Yolanda Garcia, 49, of Whittier, said she helped care for Nadya Suleman's autistic son three years ago.
"From what I could tell back then, she was pretty happy with herself, saying she liked having kids and she wanted 12 kids in all," Garcia told the Long Beach Press-Telegram.
"She told me that all of her kids were through in vitro, and I said 'Gosh, how can you afford that and go to school at the same time?"' she added. "And she said it's because she got paid for it."
Garcia said she did not ask for details.
Nadya Suleman holds a 2006 degree in child and adolescent development from California State University, Fullerton, and as late as last spring she was studying for a master's degree in counseling, college spokeswoman Paula Selleck told the Press-Telegram.
Her fertility doctor has not been identified. Her mother told the Los Angeles Times all the children came from the same sperm donor but she declined to identify him.
Birth certificates reviewed by The Associated Press identify a David Solomon as the father for the four oldest children. Certificates for the other children were not immediately available.
The news that the octuplets' mother already had six children sparked an ethical debate. Some medical experts were disturbed to hear that she was offered fertility treatment, and troubled by the possibility that she was implanted with so many embryos.
Others worried that she would be overwhelmed trying to raise so many children and would end up relying on public support.
The eight babies — six boys and two girls — were delivered by Cesarean section weighing between 1 pound, 8 ounces and 3 pounds, 4 ounces. Forty-six physicians and staff assisted in the deliveries.
This story is appalling on so many different levels.
Our planet cannot support people having so many babies. This story was on the radio followed by a story on water rationing coming to OC.
This woman is selfish (if she is sane enough to be called that.) I object to paying for her children -- those 46 people in the delivery room, the schools, the water, the roads, the parks, the waste created by her 14 children. And I do pay for them...my taxes, my medical premiums, my quality of life.
And the doctors who wash their hands and say it is not their responsibility to tell a woman how many children she can have make me sick.
Because it is a local story it is getting much publicity here. I heard on the car radio the original news conference. It is interesting how the news coverage has gone from "isn't it exciting?" to "isn't it appalling?" so quickly.
Just because technology allows us to do things doesn't mean we should.
Seriously?
I heard the family had a few properties and can afford to have a kenne-home filled with kids.
So what.
Like my mom said, "As long as you are not using............Who cares."
:D:eek::cool::p
Sorry if this is already a thread somewhere.
What does everyone think of the story of the woman in Whittier, CA, giving birth to octuplets? I'm reading that she already has 6 children between 2 and 7. She has no husband and went through IV(Invitro fertilization)for all the children, including the octuplets.
Opinions please........:confused:
'Mommy' says she's gonna move out ...
from the Associated Press via MSNBC.com >>>
http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/i/msnbc/C...rt/APTRANS.gif updated 1/31/2009
LOS ANGELES - The woman who gave birth to octuplets this week conceived
all 14 of her children through in vitro fertilization, is not married and has been obsessed
with having children since she was a teenager, her mother said.
Angela Suleman told The Associated Press she was not supportive when her daughter,
Nadya Suleman, decided to have more embryos implanted last year.
"It can't go on any longer," she said in a phone interview Friday. "She's got six children
and no husband. I was brought up the traditional way. I firmly believe in marriage.
But she didn't want to get married." ...
[There's more ...]
Entire Article is at: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28948599/
Don't get me going on that one. Let's just say that my thoughts are all negative - especially when it comes to who is paying for all of this! She should have been spayed long ago!!! :mad:
You're smack dab in the middle of a topic about that very event. There are opinions flying all over this topic. Please join in - the more the merrier :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Daisy and Delilah
She had started a new thread about this topic. Karen merged that thread into this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grace
I think the whole thing is ABSURD. I TOTALLY agree with whoever said she needed counseling instead of fertility drugs.
While I certainly do not think that doctors have the right to tell someone how many children they should have, this woman, who claims she got paid to have the kids should have been stopped.
One of the older children also has autism I believe. While I have nothing against people having more than 1-2 children, (its their right of course) I firmly believe in the concept of only having 2 to replace yourself and spouse, etc. (can't remember what it was called) but those people that have more than 2 children apparently are just taking up my allotment. ;)
This woman is no different than a collector of dogs or cats, she is just choosing to have kids. Why would you want to do that to your body like that? Crazy.
This woman is no different than the local trash I see every week coming into my ER who has 5 kids but 3-5 different fathers. And is on welfare. It just cost her (US) a LOT more to have 14 kids.