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I'm not sure I understand your post correctly... According to the note from AC, these two dogs were very agressive & dangerous. They were wandering in the neighborhood and had killed at least 5 pets. They warned us if we see them, not to come in contact with them, but instead call 911. I don't think we need to wait until they attack a kid to remove them from the neighborhood.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3muttsandaboston
I'm just saying just because they attack dogs doesn't mean they are dangerous. If my dog Lucy got out she would probably go around and attack other dogs she found. She might also possibly kill them if they were small. She loves my other two but really doesn't like other dogs unless she sees me pet it first. She has also killed rabbits and would probably kill a strange cat if it ran from her. Is she vicious? No she is not. My small nephiews can tug her hair sit on her and play rough with her and she is very gentle. These dogs might very well be the same way. When the police came were the dogs growling or anything?
I do not have all the details. All I got was another notice on the door saying that both dogs were in custody at this time. Then my next door neighbor told me that she knew the neighbor who called the police, and what happened to that one dog.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3muttsandaboston
I am new to the neighborhood, so I didn't really know any neighbors except my two next door ones.
Honestly, how do you feel if Lucy got out and kill someone's small dogs? How do you justify it? I mean dogs that are dog-aggressive should not be around other dogs without supervision, and their owner should take precaution not to let them loose. To you she may be a nice, loving dog, but to those whose pet was killed - just because your dog got loose - she's vicious.
I define vicious as mean towards people which my dog is not. Dog aggressive is a very common trait with dogs especially pit bulls they were bred to fight with and kill other dogs and all are very very friendly towards humans. My neighbors lab mix got out and almost killed my mom's poodle but we didn't shoot the dog. My dad wanted to but I wouldn't let him. When I went over and saw the dog playing with their three year old I thought about how my dog should have been properly secured in a fence or in the house. So it was partially my and the dog owners fault.
I would feel absolutely terrible if Lucy killed someone elses dog. I wouldn't be able to justify it at all. I love all dogs and have a small dog...I'm sure many of those pet owners really believed that the dog was vicious because it killed their dogs or cats but that probably wasn't the case the dog might have been very sweet, just like my Lucy. It is sad all around...
I feel for you so much.
My dogs have sufferd because of a Ikeda living in the area,He is just down right nasty!But the owners applaud his ways...I first came into contact with this animal on Halloween,He jumped at my hubbys friend and ripped his coat and pants open..sending him to hopital for stiches.
I have been around these dogs my hole life i have never seen a mean one,But in any given breed there is always that one.
The dog was loose the other day,Im so lucky Lacy put the run on to get into the house,I dont want to think what would of happend if she did not listen to me and decided to go face to face.
Keep those pups safe,and im sure they will let you know when the coast is clear,
It's good news that the dogs are no longer "at large".
I DON'T feel it's good news that one of the dogs was shot... assuming it was not going after people.
I know loyal, gentle, large dogs... who have killed a small dog or a cat, that entered their yard. Killing small animals could be solely based on prey drive. They could be perfectly great with people. D; It's just a shame that their former owner was not responsible enough to keep them contained, and the dogs, and the pets they killed, are the ones that pay for it.
I guess you and I have differing thoughts on danger. To me, any dog that puts my dogs at risk is dangerous.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3muttsandaboston
I had my first experience last week of walking my dogs (on leash) and having another dog (off leash) come up to them. It was a black lab who appeared friendly and it turns out he was. I have to admit for those few seconds when I wasn't sure, I was afraid. Thankfully his human quickly realized he was gone and came running.
No one should have to refrain from walking dogs on leash due to dogs running at large, be they friendly or not. Yes, it is a shame that the dog was shot, but he could have just as easily been hit by a car. The responsibility lies with their human often as to whether they live or die.
I'm glad your neighborhood is now safe. I do feel sorry for those dogs that have(had) stupid owners and let them run loose and create such havoc.
I agree with you 100%,My gang has suffered tremendously!!There has been a few dogs who have ended up in our yard,Lacy and Maggy are never fenced they are very good to stay in the front,even with distractions from people walking down the road alone or with there dog.Quote:
No one should have to refrain from walking dogs on leash due to dogs running at large, be they friendly or not. Yes, it is a shame that the dog was shot, but he could have just as easily been hit by a car. The responsibility lies with their human often as to whether they live or die.
We had a old rotti he was 15 i guess,he was hit last summer,He would make his rounds and come see Maggy and Lacy whenever he seen them out,He was a joy to have over for play dates!
And there has been a few others that have wanderd over here,But there has been alot of agressive dogs,Lacy is very petite and she has gotten the grunt of alot of dogs attacking her,I thank god none have been that serious.
It makes my blood boil when a owner that knows what there dogs are like and lets them run free putting or pets in danger.
In my area the last 2 months there has been a total of 4 dogs and 10 cats carried off by coyote's,It sure is not easy to keep our beloved ones safe anymore.
I have not seen the coyotes,but i can hear them daily.
My feelings exactly..Quote:
Originally Posted by 3muttsandaboston
I am sorry but you couldn't be more wrong...there is a HUGE difference between human and dog aggression..I feel awful for the families who lost their dogs, really. But I do feel bad for the dog who was shot...if the dogs were human aggressive you would have had a problem long before this..Quote:
I don't think we need to wait until they attack a kid to remove them from the neighborhood.
It's really a shame that those pets lost their life, and a shame that the dog was shot because of the ignorence of his owners.
I agree totally with 3mutts.
I think unless you have or know a DA dog then you don't fully understand.
It could have been a accident the dogs got out, accidents do happen and the dogs had to pay with their lives.
It seems totally un fair to me if it was a accident.
If it's a careless owner then I can understand more that she should be punished but not the dogs.
These two dogs prevented people in my neighborhood to live their normal lives. The note from Animal Control clearly said that they're dangerous, and we should watch our small children or pets more carefully until they're captured, and call 911 immediately should we encounter them. Their owner didn't know their whereabouts. Animal control patrolled the neighborhood for days looking for them... I've been forfeiting the 3Ms nightly walk because of this..
The neighbor who called the police said that the dog jumped the fence into her backyard trying to get to her cats.. I don't think she had any other choice but to call the police, and I also believe that killing the dog was the police last resort as they originally wanted to capture the dogs alive.
To me, human aggressive and dog aggressive are both sign of dangerous dog, as the dog has the potential to hurt other beings. It is a problem that need to be dealt with rather than shooing it away with an "Oh, it's nothing, he's a very nice dog, he's just dog-aggressive".
That's it in a nutshell. If someone has a dog that is aggressive in any way at all it is THEIR responsibility to keep that dog controlled. Of course it is a shame that any dog is shot, but it is also a shame that countless dogs (nice dogs too!) die each day in shelters. Unfortunately these are facts of life, like it or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by M&M's Mommy
I have to agree with this. I own a highly dog aggressive dog. Kayleigh firmly believes she should be the only dog on the planet. She's a big girl and she could do some serious damage to another dog if she had the opportunity. I go to great lengths every day to ensure that my other dogs are safe, my neighbors' dogs are safe, and that Kayleigh still has a happy life. No one else should have to adjust their life, their schedule, their dog walking route because of my dog. It's my responsibility to adjust my own life to meet Kayleigh's needs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pam
Owning any dog is a big responsibility; owing one with a temperment like this is a HUGE responsibility. If I mess up; if I let my guard down with her for a second, if Kayleigh gets away from me; if she causes any injury to another dog, it's my fault completely, but Kayleigh will be the one to pay the price. Under our animal control by-law, if she harms another dog off my property, it is assumed she had my permission to do so; she's automatically declared a dangerous dog and she's dead. No question, no recourse, no second chance. I know what she's like and it is my job to protect her from herself.
Kayleigh is good with people. She likes kids. She's gentle and playful. If she were on the loose and chasing something, I think she could hurt someone, not intentionally, but with her sheer size or by someone sticking their hand in the wrong place! A kid trying to protect their own dog might well get hurt by her. Again, it's my job to make sure that never happens.
The shelter I got her from never told me she was dog aggressive when I adopted her; they were just happy to get rid of a big, black dog! Had I known, I might not have adopted her, but I made a committment to her that day--to love her and keep her safe for the rest of her life. I didn't realize that meant safe from herself, but I'll do it happily for as long as she is here. I adore Kayleigh. She is a wonderful dog in many ways and has taught me many lessons. I never want anything bad to happen to her, but I also never want another dog like her.
These dogs clearly had an established pattern of escaping and causing havoc. If their owner cared about them, they should have taken whatever steps were needed to prevent further escapes and problems. It's sad that the dogs will pay for their owners stupidity, but legally I doubt there is any choice.
Prey drive is a whole seperate issue from aggression. Prey driven dogs are not aggressive. It's usually a breed trait. All of my dogs are prey driven to some degree, with the exception of Kayleigh, none of them are also dog aggressive or human aggressive. My yard is small critter free! An outdoor cat is my yard is dead and I've suffered that agony with one of my own cats who had escaped. I've warned my neighbor that if their cat comes into my yard, I will not take responsiblity for what happens to her. If my dogs are off my property and kill someone's cat, I will take full responsiblity for that.
Im shocked by the idea that because a dog is 'dog aggressive' that its a bad dog and should be eithanized/shot/etc... Thats cruel.
Yea, these dogs were dangerous, they were loose, that's their OWNERS' fault. The dogs were doing what they knew.. what they had most-likely been taught... Maybe by their OWNERS.
Bunny and Zeke are both dog aggressive. Do I take them to the dog park? No. Do I let them run my neighborhood? No. Do I let them around other dogs? Besides Eli, No. I/we try to be responsible dog owners and protect what we love and others. I would NEVER say a dog that is DA should be put down. Who knows whats happened to that dog in the past. There's obviously a reason that they are the way they are. (And we're in the same boat, Adoption Center didnt tell us they were DA.) Oh and they've gotten a few birds and a mole in our backyard... Its instinct.
Being DA and roaming the neighborhood is IRRESPONSIBLE on the OWNERS' part. Should they be fined for letting something like this happen? Of course. They knowingly let it happen..
Should my two DA dogs be put down even though they live a happy life inside of our house? No.... They get the occasional walk, the trips to grandma's house.. And they're always on leash or controlled by my mom's electric fence.
There's two sides to this issue... and you're only considering one.. I think its bittersweet that the dog was shot. Had its owners been smart and kept them inside/controlled, it never would have happened. Being aggressive towards humans is a different story...
You said it.. thats exactly it. Their owners werent around, werent responsible. Doesnt mean ALL DA dogs should be put down because of that. :eek:Quote:
I mean dogs that are dog-aggressive should not be around other dogs without supervision, and their owner should take precaution not to let them loose.