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Well, from what I heard on the news this morning, (which I do not agree with), it was all her own fault. She stood up and waved. If she had stayed seated like a proper lady, she would not have been killed. They say she died because she hit her head on the car roof when she ducked the gun fire. sheesh!!! :rolleyes: Already they are trying to pass the buck!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
Will this be the next coverup? :(
Her supporters are screaming about the lack of security.........well, then she shouldn't have been standing in the open sunroof of an unarmored vehicle. Regardless of how lax the security provisions were, common sense has to play a part.
Wow. Perhaps she should never have left her home. Or perhaps she should not have returned to Pakistan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
It's just a shame what happened. I can't say that I didn't see it coming, because face it, a woman in a Muslim country being outspoken and saying her opinions and views... it was kind of waiting for the other shoe to drop to see what was going to happen.
I don't think for one minute it was Al Quaeda or Taliban... unless the president paid a Talibani to kill her. Gov't is behind it. 100%.
She was a force to be reckoned with, and that was intimidating to them, and if she had won as a president, how humiliating would that have been for the president now... I believe he had her killed.
In her fathers death cell she promised him she would continue his legacy, I truly believe she felt obligated to do that. She also would have to come close to the people to keep their support and she knew the risks.
As far as her not being an angel are you trying to say she deserved this?
I'm about as surprised about this as I am when I get up and the sun rises.
I'm not saying she deserved this, what I'm saying is that her family is far from clean, and has made many, many enemies, among them the ISI. Their government is not the monolithic block that western countries have. it is fragmented, with each part controlling their portion, with no one truly in complete control.
ES, I'm not saying she should have never gone back, what I'm saying is that the VIP being protected has to take some resposibility for their own protection. She should have arranged for a more secure means of transport for herself, especially in light of the bombing that greeted her when she returned to the country. No one is truly secure at any time, but reasonable measures can be taken.
Hadnt she ever heard of the pope mobile???:D
And it was her responsibility that there were no police around too I suppose.... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
She could have had her home hidden from Google, lived in an underground bunker, or avoided any places where those who opposed her might lurk. There are certainly other politicans who do these things.
But find me a politician who isn't hated. Hatred of politicians, crocked political families and nut cases who will sacrifice themselves are just as likely as your sun is to rise.
I just find your response to this...well callous... among other things. But apparently you know more about the situation and how she should have handled it than she did.
I have read that she cancelled an earlier rally at the government's insistence, as security was a concern.
(And how do you know your security there is not partisan or paid-off?)
Also, I did initially read that she stood up to wave thru the sunroof and got shot. The government's latest version of that is that she DID stand up in the sunroof, ducked so the bullets missed - but that the force of the suicide blast slammed her skull against the sunroof lever, fracturing her skull (or possibly causing the neck vertebra injury reported by the surgeon.)
She knew the risks. And yes, LH, there are few clean hands in the eastern political system, and even in the West. She knew the risks.
Politics aside, I feed sad that a brilliant, beautiful and brave woman, mother of 3, has died so young. That doesn't have to do with whether she was clean.
It's just sad for Pakistan all around...
All i have to say is that i felt extremely sad at hearing this news, she was indeed a beautiful woman, and far too young to die, but i guess she knew the risks., and took them, very sad indeed.
Can somebody explain the *significance* of her death and prior life?
I hate how the American media always dramatizes everything. Buuuut... On the other hand, I read that Pakistanis absolutely hated her. So far, from the American media, I understand that she stood for democracy and was a US ally (correct me if I'm wrong). But then I hear that Pakistanis despised her. Why - I have no clue. I'm guessing it has to do with all the charges of corruption. Again, why? I have no clue!!!
So can somebody please enlighten me?
Giselle: My impression only - some loved her, some hated her. Certainly there was very little apathy where she was concerned.
She certainly had enough supporters that many got violent enough and wrecked property, rioted, set fires - that Musharraf told security to do what they had to to curb the violence. That doesn't sound to me like 'all Pakistanis hated her'. In fact, her popularity was strong enough for her to BE an assassination target.
She had been a known figure on the world stage for some time, for reasons good and bad. As Oscar Wilde said, "There is one thing worse than being talked about - and that is NOT being talked about."
It is my understanding that she wanted to bring democracy to Pakistan, which would be 'their' version to begin with, and a process, not an event.
One writer referred to the family as the Kennedys of Pakistan - a rich and powerful family where so many of them have been killed deliberately or by a weird twist of fate.
Benazir's 19-year-old son is now co-chair of the PPP, along with his father. The father will take over the actual operations of the PPP chair while Bilawil (son) finishes his education in England. And yet another person will be candidate for Prime Minister if the PPP prevails.
JMO
Could the same thing be said for JFK, Malcolm X, perhaps Martin Luther King? I'm sure he knew the risks of what he was doing with his ideas in that period of history, but did it anyway because it was what he believed was right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
I am really shocked at her death. Corrupt or not, she didn't deserve a death like that. And whilst Al Quaeda may not be to blame for this one, sure as eggs are eggs they're going to find it a lot easier to operate in a panic-stricken, angry, unrestful nation. :(
Not really. Had there been any active, credible threats against JFK the Secret Service would have forced him to ride in an enclosed limo, as opposed to allowing him to ride in a convertible.Quote:
Could the same thing be said for JFK?
In all actuality, this makes no difference for AQ, as the area they operate in is under the control of no one. If you look at the borders in that area of the world on most maps, they are dotted lines. The border areas are under the control of mountain tribes who haven't been under anyone's control for centuries. Besides, angry and unrestful (restless?) describes Pakistan's entire history, not just the past few years. Panic stricken? Probably not in the least. Assassination is business as usual for Pakistan. Again, just look at their history.Quote:
And whilst Al Quaeda may not be to blame for this one, sure as eggs are eggs they're going to find it a lot easier to operate in a panic-stricken, angry, unrestful nation.
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Originally Posted by critter crazy
Is that a cell phone service? :confused:
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Notice the back pedal about her cause of death.
The latch was a nice feint to keep the Mussharaf regime from being blamed-
The latch killed her, not lack of security.
THat is what makes the western countries different from any others.
The gov't. always takes the steps of offering any dignitaries security because of the "Not on our watch/NIMBY" rules. You don't want anyone to get axed in your front yard.
I believe that Mussharaf invited Bhutto back with the intention of having her killed. She shows up and gets axed before the elections...Perfect solution?
Lock down the Pakis again with martial law and cancel the elections...it didn't happen but?