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Would you feel differently if it were an elderly couple and a bird?Quote:
Originally Posted by Argranade
It's not stupid. And just because it's supposed to be inevitable doesn't mean it doesn't affect one any less. It's about grief, about sadness, about losing the most important aspect of their life.
Regardless of anyones position on the act of suicide itself.
No I would not do that same, Argranade was my most speacail bird ever, I had him from a little egg, I taught him how to fly and he would follow me around the house, every single time I called his name he would fly right down to me. Sadly a few years later he got a disease, he was fighting for his life for a few days untill one night when he was laying beside me I turned out the light and just as I reached to hold him he took his last breath and died in my arms ... our hole little friendship was gone and I never wanted another pet again.Quote:
You would do the same if one of your own beloved pets died. It's not at all stupid.
You may think it was JUST a pigeon and will never match up to a dog but that's bull **** because a pigeon can be just a good of a pet as a dog can, but for me he was better, this little pigeon had such a spirit that I'll never forget no matter what.
Did you see me hang my self? NO because I was told if you kill your self you go to hell, yeah sounds like a bunch of bull LOL but I'm not taken any chances, even if I never heard of that I would NEVER even think of taking my life for a animal.
No, why would I feel any different, It would be even more stupid if they took there life over a budgie, ya taking your life is wrong no matter how lovey dovey you put it, those old people must have had problems in there life and when there dog died I geuss all those problems smashed into there brain.Quote:
Would you feel differently if it were an elderly couple and a bird?
It's not that people have nothing to live for or that people do not have a support system. It's just this overwhelming feeling of grief and sadness. It's hard to explain. I guess for those who don't understand it should feel lucky they've never felt it.
And I think for the elderly, losing something that means so much to them, can be doubly hard.
I would never had committed suicide after Maxie's death. Basically, I'd be dead by now and wouldn't be typing this.
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How horrible.....
What I think is stupid is the fact that you feel that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Argranade
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by pitc9
Nobody ever said a bird wasn't anything like a dog. I sob when my fish die, so are you going to say that's less important than a dog and it's stupid to cry over that?
If you had spent 13 of your last years with a beloved pet, and had only that pet and your husband or wife, and that dog meant the world to you, how do you think you would feel then? You're not going to go to hell for committing suicide, if you believe in God, and if you believe in what he does, then that right there sends you to heaven. Anyways, that's getting completely off topic, and you really had no right to say it's "stupid" about someone committing suicide over their dog.
That's horriable. :(
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How sad.
I agree that suicide is wrong, and I think committing it because their dog died is taking it a little bit far. And no, I'm not saying that it was just a dog, it was their baby, but I still think committing suicide was taking it too far.
Not many people would do the same. I've had family members die (and even pets), but I never committed suicide. Yes, it is a devastating time, but suicide is never the answer.Quote:
You would do the same if one of your own beloved pets died. It's not at all stupid.
I mean, think of what people do to their family when they commit suicide.
It's just horrible.
Sometimes its not the grief. Sometimes people are just waiting. I've had plenty of suicidal days, but who would take care of Autumn. If she died, it wouldn't be grief that killed me, it'd be the fact that there's nothing depending on me anymore, like I can go now without worrying about anybody who needs me to live. Right now I'd be fine leaving her in the hands of my mother, but not my fish, nobody but me in my family knows how to properly take care of them.
Having almost succeeded at commiting suicide, I can honestly say there are a LOT of things going on inside the mind of a seriously suicidal person, things that are extremely hard to communicate to other people. Most of the time, people close to a suicidal person get confused and frustrated as they just can't understand what is inside their mind.
Maybe the dogs death was just a trigger to a bigger problem, maybe it WAS the problem who knows? Unfortuneatly no one will know :( Suicide is sad, and painful for EVERYONE no matter what the reason behind it is.
That is so very sad. I can certainly understand their grief. I've still got mine after almost five months. Everyone handles it in a different way. Some people can't cope. I'm kind of saddened by some of the callous remarks I've seen here. This, of all places, should be a place where some of those things weren't said.
Look the person who said it was stupid: They were old, they have had this dog for 13 years, maybe they didnt want another dog because they might die when owning this dog and it would have to go to a shelter. People who lose children often go into depression, the dog was like a child to them. They maybe didnt know how to handle their dogs death, maybe they have seen to many friends die (they are old), maybe it wasnt just the dog, maybe the dog was just the last straw.
So it is not stupid. I admit it is not clever but it was their way of handling their grief.
That is very sad.
I can understand their grief and sorrow, however, I too, feel their reaction was not the way to go. Its heartbreaking. Suicide is never right. We're all going to die someday. People lose family members. They lose their spouses, parents, children. There are people in this world who lose entire families at once, due to war or earthquakes, or some other disaster. Still, there is never a reason to commit suicide.
Yes I understand that people do get hopeless. They get depressed. Sometimes depressed people cannot think straight...however, there is no reason strong enough to lose hope to the point that you just kill yourself. Anyone who has a pet knows they will die someday. Everyone who gets married knows their spouse will pass on one day, or they will pass on before the spouse. Everyone knows their parents will pass on one day. Their children, their brothers, sisters, grandparents...everyone. We're all going to die someday, and just because a loved one dies, doesn't mean we have to end our lives too.
Life goes on. If everyone committed suicide just because they lost a loved one, the whole world would be wiped out by now. We've all lost loved ones before...and I strongly believe that the love for a spouse or child/parent is generally much deeper than the love for a pet. It just doesn't compare. Until a person has a wonderful spouse or child, they cannot imagine. Even if someone loses a dear family member, one should not resort to committing suicide.
I know that we can never know how these people felt, but once again, suicide is never an answer. There is always hope in life...always light at the end of a tunnel, even though at the time of grief, we cannot see it. God pulls us out of hard times, if only we are patient.
Popcornbird, those are good points but just because we know we're going to lose our loved ones, be they humans or pets, does not make it easier. And how can you know how we feel about our lost pets? The loss of Duke has hurt me more than losing my dad. So, what does that make me? Some people will probably think me a horrible person for that statement. Yes, I loved my dad dearly and would have done anything for him. Duke was my furry soulmate. I'm really upset that you think that people like me don't know true grief because I don't have kids or a spouse. I never wanted kids. And no, my animals aren't a replacement for them. I had plenty of opportunities to have a kid if I wanted one. Now, I would never do suicide like this couple did but I can surely understand their despair because I'm living it right now. As a side note, I do know what it's like to lose an almost spouse. He's very ill and doesn't want to talk to anyone. Another reason my heart is breaking. So please, don't question someone else's grief.
Well if you don't like the word ''stupid'' I'll put it this way,Quote:
Originally Posted by pitc9
It was plain ''FOOLISH'' ...
I would feel sad and pissed off but I would not go about killing my self.Quote:
I agree.
Nobody ever said a bird wasn't anything like a dog. I sob when my fish die, so are you going to say that's less important than a dog and it's stupid to cry over that?
If you had spent 13 of your last years with a beloved pet, and had only that pet and your husband or wife, and that dog meant the world to you, how do you think you would feel then? You're not going to go to hell for committing suicide, if you believe in God, and if you believe in what he does, then that right there sends you to heaven. Anyways, that's getting completely off topic, and you really had no right to say it's "stupid" about someone committing suicide over their dog.
I honestly don't feel sorry for that couple, I feel MORE sorry for there family having to know there own parents, grandma, cousin ect ... killed them self for a dog. There's nothing wrong with crying over a fish .. as long as you don't stuff your head in the fish tank drowning your self along with it!
People who suffer from being depressed they should seek HELP! or find somthing like a hobby to take your mind off things. If you can't handle an animal dieing the first time and want to think about KILLING YOUR SELF DON'T get another pet because you will get even more depressed when that animal dies & will have a greater chance of deing or killing your self OR just going completly crazy.
Everyone should consider an animals death before they buy one, make sure you know how you will handle it.
For me when a pet dies I get very sad about it but I always move on and start taking pictures or drawing to take my mind off the passing of a bird, I can handle moving on to a new bird very fast which is good if I want to work with them as I get older, I have to deal with many birds deing every single year ... but I can take it. This lady loved her mawcaw but he died at 40 years old from a disease .. she got so deprresed about it BUT she quickly moved on and thought about other things. Sadly not everyone takes things that easy ... I know if you had a pet for over 20 years even 15 it's very hard to take there death BUT it's somthing every pet owner will have to go threw.