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I REPEAT:We believe the Bible is the inspired word of God, not just some old dusty book writen thousands of years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces
If the resurection had never have happened, the Romans (who killed him) would have shouted it from the roof tops. The apostiles would never have let themselves be tortured and killed, and Christianity would never have gotten off the ground let alone lasted for thousands of years.
I did not watch it, and honestly had absolutely no interest.
I was curious to watch it. But, forgot it was on. I would rather watch 24 anyway...Keifer is simply yummy!! LOL :p
Ressurection is the cornerstone of faith? I would think that according to the Gospel, which states that there is a material body and a spirtual body.......the thought of Jesus being ressurected in the same manner as the Bible states would have no effect on the issue.
Looking at the ressurection, from both a biblical and historical standpoint, Jesus was placed in a temporary tomb along with others that were crucified, as was the SOP of the day, families then collected their dead and buried them properly in their family tombs.
That would have no effect on Jesus appearring 3 days later to his followers.
1st Corinthians 15:39~53
Just to clear this up - the actual original documents of the Bible (written in Greek) are still around (at the Vatican I believe? But not positive about that). Every time the Bible is translated into another version or language, the scholars who do the translating and writing of the Bible do actually go back to the original documents. For example, when the NIV edition came out, it was not translated from the King James version, but from the actual original documents.Quote:
Originally Posted by K9soul
Yes! Of the Christian faith anyway. Jesus died for our sins and 'rebuilt' the temple (the temple being Jesus himself) in three days.Quote:
Ressurection is the cornerstone of faith?
Jen,
As I teach religion, there are many more cornerstones that are equally as important to the christians.
The virgin birth for example.
And no one not even the show, implied that Jesus was not ressurected, simply that his family tomb was found.
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Originally Posted by Dr.Goodnow
I never said that there weren't other cornerstones, but to Christians, the death and resurrection of Jesus is the MOST important thing. It cleanses us of our sin, allows us to have the 'direct line' to God...it completely changed our lives. I understand that you teach religion, but teaching it and believing and living it are two different things. :) I mean no disrespect, just saying how I feel. :)
That's not what Cameron said in an interview on Fox news two days before the show. He claimed some of the bones they found were in fact Jesus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr.Goodnow
Please note: none of the Romans or Pilat who had him crucified EVER denied he died or was ressurected. If they had had his body, or if he had never been crucified, they would have made sure everyone in the country knew about it.
There would never have been Christianity at all.
Actually, at the time of his death, as he was only venerated by other jews, and was a considered a political threat, and a heretic against the jewish faith according to the Pharisses, his body would have been unimportant to them, his crucifiction was a symbolic act of power on their part.Quote:
Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces
The claim that the bone fragments in Jesus' ossuary are his, is valid as his ossuary is inscripted with, his name, it would stand to reason that the remains left would be his.
As for teaching and believing, I will not argue anyones beliefs, I will discuss religion, but I will not argue it. :) I believe that religion is a personal choice, no matter what religion you follow.
As for what was or wasn't claimed in the show or in the interviews after, unless you watched it, then many of the points you are bringing up have been accepted and considered worthy of further discussion, as the Catholic representitive on the christian panel said, even if they are Jesus' bones, it cannot touch the faith I have in his message.
From what I have read, they are the original copies, made from fragments of the original documents that were found in various places. Some of the originals were reportedly written in Hebrew, then translated to Greek.Quote:
Originally Posted by JenBKR
"We don’t have any of the original autographs (manuscripts penned by the authors) of the New Testament scriptures; all of what we have is from copies."
Taken from here (among other places, this is just one site I found in a hurry in order to show what I meant). This site in particular defends the validity of what was written.
http://home.houston.rr.com/apologia/sec5p4.htm
I really don't feel anger if someone believes differently than I do or questions what I believe. I'm always willing to listen or consider and come up with my own conclusions. I just think people seem overly insulted over this. I don't see it as the big deal that is being made out of it. Just my perception.
That is exactly how I feel, and I feel that that statement is well said :). I was raised Catholic myself, but I find I often am put off by how unyielding and unaccepting of differences organized religion seems to be. I do have my own very deep beliefs and faith, however.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr.Goodnow
I totally agree with K9Soul. I don't understand why people get so upset when any question of the bible comes up. People in China worshipped Budda just as long as we have worshiped Christ. And what about the Egyptians who worshipped the sun gods for 5000 years? The problem with this world is that everyone thinks that their religion is the correct one. No one knows who is right, no one. Ireland and the Middle East is full of people who think/ know they are right and they will KILL you in the name of God. Anyone who kills in the name of God is not a good person or a sane person. Lutherans, Baptists, Methodists, Mormons, Catholics, Jews all have different beliefs. And if you think yours is correct that makes everyone else wrong. More people have died in the name of God then for any other reason on this earth. Pretty sad folks. We have to keep an open mind, we have to be willing to say my beliefs are wrong or incorrect otherwise we become another Middle East with mom's telling their children to strap on bombs in the name of God
We get upset because we think the Bible is sacred!!! I don't make fun of anyone else's religion and try to respect it. I just want the same for myself and my religion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marigold2
While I personally think my religion is right for me, I respect everyone's right to chose or not, for themselves. I'm not for killing anyone who doesn't believe like me. I just wish people would respect me and my religion and pick on some other one for a while. Of course, this is all part of Bible prophecy which, unless you believe in the Bible, you won't believe it's coming true, even though it is.
What is it about the Bible that over the last 2000 years, people have tried so hard to prove it is wrong? In spite of the best efforts of lots of people, the Bible remains the best selling book of all time. Just something to think about.
Millions of people feel the same way about the Koran.
No one is implying that the Bible is wrong, just as no one is picking on any religion in this thread.
If what was found is the holy familys' tomb then it is a remarkable and sacred site, I for one think that the information gathered and the questions raised are and should be discussed.
Fear of questioning any book the bible included in all of it's 56 variations with certain sects claiming and rejecting books to fit their beliefs, would be foolhardy.
However the thread is about the wonderous find that has been made, and what to do with that find now.Not about the bible or it's many facets in and of itself, in this discussion its' sole purpose is as a reference manual.