Andy Rooney Totally Said It!!

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Originally Posted by Killearn Kitties

I think it is very misleading to link a handgun ban with knife crime figures. Yes, handguns were banned in the UK in 1997 (with the exception, I believe, of Northern Ireland), but Scotland, along with the rest of the UK has not historically had a gun culture.

Knife crime figures go up and down, depending on various factors, but knives have always been, and remain, the weapon of choice for the Scottish thug.

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I just read an article the other day (although it wasn't a brand new article it was a year old) saying that they now want to ban knives because of the knife crime going on. My point is... we can't ban everything that could possibly be used as a weapon just because people are idiots.

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maybe they should have the Red head college fund....

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Ceph, OH mY GOSH .... could you imagine the fighting :D get a bunch of tempermental red heads together in a kind of competition. LOL being a red head I know first hand the temper we can have lol, I couldn't imagine the blood bath that would result from that hahahaha.

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Originally Posted by sparks19

Ceph, OH mY GOSH .... could you imagine the fighting :D get a bunch of tempermental red heads together in a kind of competition. LOL being a red head I know first hand the temper we can have lol, I couldn't imagine the blood bath that would result from that hahahaha.

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lol, actually my future roomie and I are both red...she's more ginger than I am (my hair gets red highlights in the summer...its moslty an auburn). She's alot more laid back than I am though...I get fired up sometimes....I think it would be hysterical though...The Ginger fund (ever get called that?....ugh....my buddies make fun of me all the time...)

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.... I like the Guns don't kill people part. How TRUE. Everyone wants to blame the object instead of the person operating the object. Guns don't go off on their own.... they don't have minds to think... they don't have free will....

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I can't think of one single reason why a civilian would need a hand gun...

I wonder who really wrote that?

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Originally Posted by jackie

I can't think of one single reason why a civilian would need a hand gun...

I wonder who really wrote that?

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fortunately I do not live in an area like this......

However, many people live in areas that are littered with gangs, thugs, and miscrients. how exactly would you defend yourself against someone with a gun? personally I am of the mind set "kill or be killed". If someone were threatening me with a gun and I had access to mine I would use it. I would not hope that the police show up in time. of course, you should never own a gun if youare not properly trained in how to use it AND you CAN use it. if you have any doubt that if your life were in danger that you could pull that trigger than no you should never own or operate a deadly weapon. I am not and would not ever recommend a gun to someone that has not been trained to use one. If you own a gun and are not fully trained in how to use it then you are as big a danger to yourself as you are to others. BUT if you are trained it is far more effective than praying the police will get there before you are killed. Of course, this weapon should ONLY be used in a life or death situation. You may not see a reason for a civilian to own a gun but until you are someone you love is put into that kind of situation I wouldn't expect you to see a reason. I hope that you never find a reason to be honest.... but in some places, sometimes.... it can save your life.

Not to mention.... people hunt. therefore they own guns. 9 times out of 10 these are not the people you should be worried about breaking into your home and threatening your life. Banning guns only takes them out of the hands of the responsible owners. It does nothing to stop the thugs that get them illegally and do not have them registered.

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Originally Posted by jackie

I can't think of one single reason why a civilian would need a hand gun...

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Nah, most people don't NEED a gun. (Thank goodness!) But people don't NEED golf clubs, snowmachines, or basketballs either. Some people enjoy owning, collecting and shooting guns as a hobby. I've "killed" a lot of clay pigeons and targets in my life, and it's fun. And most certainly dangerous to no one.

I take my 82 year old dad to the trap club so he can shoot skeet with his shotgun. He likes to still feel young doing it. It's quality time we spend together. It's just a hobby ... not a political statement or a danger to society at large.

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Originally Posted by Twisterdog

Nah, most people don't NEED a gun. (Thank goodness!) But people don't NEED golf clubs, snowmachines, or basketballs either. Some people enjoy owning, collecting and shooting guns as a hobby. I've "killed" a lot of clay pigeons and targets in my life, and it's fun. And most certainly dangerous to no one.

I take my 82 year old dad to the trap club so he can shoot skeet with his shotgun. He likes to still feel young doing it. It's quality time we spend together. It's just a hobby ... not a political statement or a danger to society at large.

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Are you sure you aren't out using your registered weapon to rob convenience stores or do drive by shootings? I mean afterall isn't that what all gun owners are guilty of :p

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Originally Posted by sparks19

Are you sure you aren't out using your registered weapon to rob convenience stores or do drive by shootings? I mean afterall isn't that what all gun owners are guilty of :p

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Dang ... my secret life exposed on Pet Talk! How DID you know??? ;)

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Originally Posted by Twisterdog

Dang ... my secret life exposed on Pet Talk! How DID you know??? ;)

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LOL I just assumed since you own a gun you MUST be using it to harm others :D Plus I have been spying on you :p

and just to add. another good reason to not ban guns..... a little thing called the 2nd amendment. The right of the people to keep and bear arms. Now many will say that does not apply to the world today but think about it..... It was intended as protection against a tyrranous government. how far away from that do you really think we are ;)

So many people complain all the time about the government and it's ever more present infringment on the constitution and bill of rights etc etc.... funny how those same people wish they would take certain ones away.

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Originally Posted by sparks19

fortunately I do not live in an area like this......

However, many people live in areas that are littered with gangs, thugs, and miscrients. how exactly would you defend yourself against someone with a gun? personally I am of the mind set "kill or be killed". If someone were threatening me with a gun and I had access to mine I would use it. I would not hope that the police show up in time. of course, you should never own a gun if youare not properly trained in how to use it AND you CAN use it. if you have any doubt that if your life were in danger that you could pull that trigger than no you should never own or operate a deadly weapon. I am not and would not ever recommend a gun to someone that has not been trained to use one. If you own a gun and are not fully trained in how to use it then you are as big a danger to yourself as you are to others. BUT if you are trained it is far more effective than praying the police will get there before you are killed. Of course, this weapon should ONLY be used in a life or death situation. You may not see a reason for a civilian to own a gun but until you are someone you love is put into that kind of situation I wouldn't expect you to see a reason. I hope that you never find a reason to be honest.... but in some places, sometimes.... it can save your life.

Not to mention.... people hunt. therefore they own guns. 9 times out of 10 these are not the people you should be worried about breaking into your home and threatening your life. Banning guns only takes them out of the hands of the responsible owners. It does nothing to stop the thugs that get them illegally and do not have them registered.

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OK, we have different opinions.

I still can not think of one single reason civilians need HAND guns. I don't think people hunt with pistols. :p

I wont pull the thread further away from the OP's topic.

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Originally Posted by jackie

OK, we have different opinions.

I still can not think of one single reason civilians need HAND guns. I don't think people hunt with pistols. :p

I wont pull the thread further away from the OP's topic.

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Sorry I missed the HAND part. I thought you just meant guns in general.

We are of different opinions because I can definately see why people would want to own a handgun. OK they might not NEED it but we don't NEED a lot of things. I however, can see the reasoning for a hand gun. it prevented my husband from being car jacked and from being threatened by someone else with a gun (unregistered no doubt). Of course he has the knowledge and training to use a hand gun.

One might say "it's just a car... give it to him" but many don't realize that in some of these cases the person being car jacked is either beaten or shot and left for dead. Afterall they have seen the face of their car jacker.... they don't want to be idetified.

How interesting...this thread....like the invasion of Iraq.....based on lies....Andy Rooney did NOT say this....you do...except in very limited circumstances, have to know the english language to become a citizen of the US....anybody actually KNOW of any programs to set up non-citizens/non-residents in business?????....no....

Just more lies, lies, lies.....and hateful, ugly ones at that...old well...same old story....

A dog is dangerous no one NEEDS a dog we should ban dogs... Oh wait that's already happening breed by breed just like guns are happening type by type.

Honestly it's the same thing. Just because it is potentially dangerous or scares people is no reason to take others right away to have it, whatever it is. Be it gun, dog or tiger.

We were just talking about guns on anther list. It's a homesteading group and someone in AU asked about people having guns since they can't but it had been mentioned. Farmers and ranchers do need gun and hand guns included. It's the quickest and fasted way to put already suffering live stock down.

I grew up on what is called a homestead now. I look back on it and say we were hill billies :) My father's dog was poisoned with antifreeze by a neighbor. She was suffering a lot of her blood already congealed from the forming crystals in the blood. He could have made her suffer more loading her up and riving off into town for a vet. Or he could have shot the neighbors. He got his gun and shot the dog to stop her suffering right then. So people do need guns as much as any person needs any modern thing.

We don't need hardly any thing we only need food and shelter. If only living based on need we all should be cave men or at least living as natives used to. Need is actually very subjective.

And yes the intial post was false but it turned into a real discussion of rights and curent events. I don't see it as bad it strayed from the original post especialy since it was false.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ShowLetter.gif Way to go, Andy! Great rant, whoever really said it.

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Originally Posted by sparks19

Scotland is a perfect example. they banned guns a long time ago.... now stabbings have risen to an unbelievable number. NOW they want to ban knives.

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Goodness! How will they address the haggis when all the knives in Scotland are banned? Or cut their meat for that matter. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: I assume this article was in MAD magazine?

Well...I've just been out for a walk in the blizzard and had a wonderful idea.

Let's issue a gun to everyone American when they graduate grade school. I don't know my handguns so I can't recommend a specific one...but something small and portable but that still packs a good wallop! Everyone....male, female, white, black, hispanic (legal only!), asian, native, middle eastern decent....everyone.

Think of the burden this would take off the courts....no more "he said...she said..." may the best...or at least the first...shot win! That annoying person in the grocery store who is talking on a cell phone....BAM! they won't be using that hand again!....those kids playing in your yard....the person who cuts you off in traffic...that dang door to door salesperson...the possibilites are endless.

Yes....forget about adequate healthcare...give EVERYONE a gun instead....

Ah yes... focus on that and not what I REALLY said in my post. No one that is not properly trained and educated should never own a gun. Sorry but just because we own a gun does not mean we are out robbing liquor stores and threatening passer by's with it. But at least if all guns are registered you will know where the shot came from ;) If we can give 16 year olds licenses to drive (cars kill more people every year than guns BTW) and we haven't banned cars then I certainly don't see the logic for banning guns. Violent crimes will NOT stop with the ban of guns. Those who wish to harm and kill people will do so with or without guns.

A weapon is for protection (and hunting game) ONLY. I do not and will not ever advocate premiscuous use of a deadly weapon. In my eyes you MUST be fully trained and educated in gun safety. I think you should have to pass a test before being issued a weapon.... but bannishing guns does NOT take guns out of the hands of criminals. it takes guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens and only makes us prey to those who have no regard for the law. Sorry but I can't rely on the police to save me. They provide a wonderful service but they can't be everywhere at once. If someone is threatening my life you bet your a$$ I will do everything in MY power to protect myself.

HMMMM doesn't look like MAD magazine to me

http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=579102005

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/4031405.stm Not a total ban here but tis the beginning

http://news.scotsman.com/politics.cfm?id=1180732006

So what wil they do when those criminals start using domestic knives? They will ban those too. then those criminals will start using bats.... they will ban those too. Then what?