I think I might..just might...

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Originally Posted by belterv

Nevermind, my parents said no anyway.

And yes, I do know Sunni (aka Dogpug123) I lived in CA for a while and then moved to WA, so I have practicly lived her all my life. And I go visit her at least 6 times a year and ride her horses. I live in WA. Borzoimom, Vela is picking at me, she is saying I am "fishy". I knew I shouldnt have bothered coming back, particularly because of some people like her. One of the only reasons I came back is cuz of people like you.

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Honey- I dont think Vela is picking on you. No one had any idea you had moved, and thank you for that update.
I think she meant the situation was fishy. She knew as well as I did that a dog doesnt even go into drug detection unless its already a hyper dog. They would not even look at the dog.
I dont know this dogpug123 person.. No clue. Either I wasnt here yet or I missed it. But someone elses problems of what they did or did not do is not my problem. We do not know all things about people and its not our place to judge. She wasnt saying any of that. She was confused because of the change in locations. Now we understand...
You know as well as I do on the other forum people come on and well you know.. ( remember clds?)... It might help if people let others know they had moved but quite frankly- where someone lives is not really a piece of information- it just caused confusion- thats all----- pure and simple.
I hate to say this but I am glad your parents said no.. I think the post on the dog didnt add up and had nothing to do with you. You saw the face of the dog, and its similar to your breed and thought- thats the dog... But your dog is so pretty and as I said, I havent heard a thing about your dog being hyper- this would have been a mistake. Take time- and if you need my help finding an addition to your family= WITH YOUR PARENTS CONSENT ( please I dont need a mad mother at me... lol. ) then I can help you find another Belgium or a Terv. I really would not do a Malanoise unless you have a ton of time to use up. They are great dogs- but really more hyper than the other two..

Doesn't look like a malinois to me -- if it's a purebred Belgian I'd say it's a terv. Tervs out of mal lines often have shorter coats -- at the same time, a terv out of mal lines is typically European and those ears are not typical European ears. I'd say it's a Belgian mix. Not sure if it's been discussed, just keep seeing the word malinois pop up..

There is a terv near Seattle looking for a home. Lower energy as she has bad knees -- rescue is still raising money for her surgery as far as I know.

Not enough coat to be a Terv. http://www.american-belgian-malinois...g/malstand.htm

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Not enough coat to be a Terv.

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Not true at all -- tervs out of mal or working lines often have short coats.

These are all Belgian tervuren...
http://www.mindspring.com/%7Eskyhigh...en3_091805.JPG
http://www.spritebelgians.com/images/isis/isisherd3.jpg
http://www.spritebelgians.com/images...su_side14m.jpg
http://www.spritebelgians.com/images...-stack-16m.jpg
http://home.earthlink.net/~fanfarete...yric18wks2.jpg

On the pet finder page it says Shepherd/Tervuren.

It also says that the dog was "bred" to do drug work..not that it was trained to do so, it probably didn't have the personality. But it dosen't really add up to why the dog would be hosted on pet finder under a rescue group...most police dog organizations have a waiting list for rejected dogs.

Anyways, like I said, I don't think they would have allowed you to have him across the country. I'm sure you can find something closer.

I am a bit confused also
there was a post from zoomer about wild dogs saying it was at her friend's house I assumed they were HER dogs but apparently not -
http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthre...ight=wild+dogs

so confused

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Originally Posted by wolfsoul

Not true at all -- tervs out of mal or working lines often have short coats.

These are all Belgian tervuren...
http://www.mindspring.com/%7Eskyhigh...en3_091805.JPG
http://www.spritebelgians.com/images/isis/isisherd3.jpg
http://www.spritebelgians.com/images...su_side14m.jpg
http://www.spritebelgians.com/images...-stack-16m.jpg
http://home.earthlink.net/~fanfarete...yric18wks2.jpg

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I know the pictures and you are right- but this a male. Much more likely to have more coat than a female. The accepted coat in the US in a Terv is much more shorter than accepted in other countries.
I just saw the post on this being a mix. This would explain the ears.
However- doesnt matter though as her parents said no...
I am still getting use to those outside the US seperating this breed differently than we do. Here this would be a Malinois- .. Even a Belgium ( our black variety) can produce Terv puppies. Its registered just that way too... The Malinois here is coatless- including the tail. Its strange- I guess like the Norfolk and the Norwich- still capable of producing varieties within the breed itself ...
Well I guess if we can have ASCOB cockers in black cocker litters and parti colored- I guess so.. I am waiting for the next turn in breed recognition with the Red and White setter- accepted in other countries as an Irish Setter, but here the Irish is only red, with the red and white making another breed/variety.

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Originally Posted by areias

On the pet finder page it says Shepherd/Tervuren.

It also says that the dog was "bred" to do drug work..not that it was trained to do so, it probably didn't have the personality. But it dosen't really add up to why the dog would be hosted on pet finder under a rescue group...most police dog organizations have a waiting list for rejected dogs.

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Ah thanks, I thought it was a terv mix.

I didn't think that there was a strong need for rejected dogs. My friend trains and rehomes SAR dogs and has one heck of a time doing so. One female she's had since July and still hasn't found anyone interested. I know for certain that retired dogs are generally put into rescue or shelters, but I'm not sure of what happens to most younger rejected dogs.

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Originally Posted by shais_mom

I am a bit confused also
there was a post from zoomer about wild dogs saying it was at her friend's house I assumed they were HER dogs but apparently not -
http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthre...ight=wild+dogs

so confused

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Belterv= what is she talking about? Was this before you moved??? Help me out here as I am coming in the back end of this..

You are right! So does the Morristown Seeing Eye school..

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Originally Posted by areias

On the pet finder page it says Shepherd/Tervuren.

It also says that the dog was "bred" to do drug work..not that it was trained to do so, it probably didn't have the personality. But it dosen't really add up to why the dog would be hosted on pet finder under a rescue group...most police dog organizations have a waiting list for rejected dogs.

Anyways, like I said, I don't think they would have allowed you to have him across the country. I'm sure you can find something closer.

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Originally Posted by borzoimom

I know the pictures and you are right- but this a male. Much more likely to have more coat than a female. The accepted coat in the US in a Terv is much more shorter than accepted in other countries.

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The first two pictures are of males. ;) A short coated terv is still a short coated terv regardless of sex -- it all depends on the genetics. A terv out of two mals is likely to have a shorter coat. Lack of coat isn't really more "accepted" in the US -- it's just more common to find a dog lacking coat in the show ring. In Europe, with the amount of Belgians out there, one wouldn't even bother showing a shorter coated dog.


Here is another terv out of mal lines, a female..
http://www.tarkatan.com/uma/uma2p.jpg
And a male terv from working lines..
http://www.etulinjan.com/my_dogs/kil...gs/Killi17.jpg
http://www.etulinjan.com/my_dogs/killi/Killi_02.jpg

You are getting a PM, borzoimom :)

I find this kind of intruiging (sp?). Don't know too much about these breeds. How could two mals create a terv? What would make it a terv? Under what breed would it be registered?

Opps I am sorry honey- I am sooooooooo past my bed time- .. I am sorry- you are right... We just do the breed differently here based on coat totally..

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Originally Posted by wolfsoul

The first two pictures are of males. ;) A short coated terv is still a short coated terv regardless of sex -- it all depends on the genetics. A terv out of two mals is likely to have a shorter coat. Lack of coat isn't really more "accepted" in the US -- it's just more common to find a dog lacking coat in the show ring. In Europe, with the amount of Belgians out there, one wouldn't even bother showing a shorter coated dog.


Here is another terv out of mal lines, a female..
http://www.tarkatan.com/uma/uma2p.jpg
And a male terv from working lines..
http://www.etulinjan.com/my_dogs/kil...gs/Killi17.jpg
http://www.etulinjan.com/my_dogs/killi/Killi_02.jpg

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Originally Posted by areias

I find this kind of intruiging (sp?). Don't know too much about these breeds. How could two mals create a terv? What would make it a terv? Under what breed would it be registered?

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The breeds are seperated by variety in this country. In other words- a colored bull terrier could produce white bull terriers. A ASCOB ( any other color other than black) could produce a black cocker. etc. The Irish setter in this country has long been established as only red- however in other countries they accept the red and white variety. The Belgiums as a groups do have seperate breeds in other countries but seperated only by coat types or colors. However for generations they were not seperated so it is feasable and happens a Belgium ( the black ones here in the US ) can produce a Terv ( the sable variety type) in a litter- and seperated so. My first belgium Chancey had a Terv litter mate.. And registered as such as the AKC recognizes the coat color ( black or sable) or type ( malinois) can be produced from each other. Its rare- but it happens.