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Kfamr, there is a difference... Kittens are illegal to harm (animal cruelty laws), rats and mice are Legal to buy and feed, atleast in NC. And I do think there is ALOT wrong with it. Poor kittens :(
BUT I do not think any one animal is different than another.
What I meant was that I don't see it any more/less gross or wrong than feeding other animals to a snake that may be legal. I'm not sure of the laws reguarding feeding kittens to other animals. The only difference may be the laws and wether or not the kitten serves any nutritional value to a snake.
Hopefully you get what I am trying to say. :)
I do ;)
Do a little research on snakes and you will "get" it....most snakes don't do well on birds either. A very narrow margin of snake species will thrive on birds, and many of them aren't commonly kept in captivity.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttercup132
I also agree with Kay in that I, personally, don't see how it is any worse to feed one species than another. Honestly, I think the mouse or the chicken values its life just as much as the puppy or kitten does.
I wouldn't go around telling too many pt'ers than rabbits, rats, and birds aren't 'pets' and don't deserve to live just as much as a kitten does.
I would also like to point out that reptile keepers have been plagued by rumors of this sort of thing happening "all the time!" Does anyone have any proof that the craigslist guy isn't just some troll trying to stir up animal lovers by bringing up an urban legend AGAIN? In my experience, the emails I get about things like this tend to kind of fizzle out into totally unverifiable internet rumor after a bit of investigation. I am not saying it has never happened, just that it isn't fair or realistic to think every free kitten ad will be read by a snake-mommy like me who will instantly begin rubbing her hands greedily at the thought of saving a whole 75 cents or so on a frozen rat.
No, I have no idea where this idiot is located.
*shutters* Report him. I cant report this person I heard of because I have no idea where he is or who he is. You should buy the kittens from him and then find them homes or at least take them to the humane society or SOMETHING.Quote:
Originally Posted by catnapper
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I have to agree, Kfamr. A snake has to eat. Just like every other living creature has to eat. I honestly see no difference in feeding a snake a kitten, and feeding it a rabbit. There IS no difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kfamr
Now, I personally couldn't do it. NO WAY could I do it. That's why I don't own a big snake. We own a little tree snake that eats crickets. Bugs I can sacrifice, no problem. But a mouse or a rabbit or a kitten? No way. But, do I think it's wrong of snake owners to do it? Of course not ... what's the alternative, to let the snake starve? That's not right either, to be sure.
Now, I think it is terribly wrong to LIE about what you are going to do with the rabbit, kitten, mouse, etc. It's very sad and unethical to make someone believe you are going to give their animal a good home, then feed it to a snake. But, in our county, and I'm sure in every county in the country, animals are specifically bred for food for reptiles. And, dozens or hundreds (depending on the size of your city) of kittens are probably euthanized at shelters and animal controls daily. Anyone can "adopt" a cat or kitten at our county animal control here for $1, no questions asked ... because in 24 hours it's going to be killed anyway. That is most certainly not the fault of a reptile owner, it is the fault of irresponsible cat owners who did not alter their cats.
The world of animals is a harsh place. The circle of life, the food chain ... one dies so another may live.
I know where I live, it is illegal to torture a kitten to death. Just like it would be illegal to torture a rabbit or a mouse to death. Cruelty to animals is what is against the law. Killing an animal is not against the law.Quote:
Originally Posted by kt_luvs_kitties
I'm not sure how humane a death the animals fed to snakes is. Like I said, I couldn't do it, and I sure couldn't watch it. But, simply killing a cat or dog is not illegal, if you own it. You can have your pet euthanized, and that's legal. So I'm quite sure humanely killing kittens to feed them to a snake is quite legal.
And, I know it's harsh ... but why do you think there is "ALOT" wrong with a carnivore eating to live? Should all predators die of starvation then? Cats and dogs eat other animals to live to, albeit in a non-offensive kibble bag. People could say it's just as wrong for a pet dog or cat to eat chickens, lambs and cows as it is for a pet snake to eat rabbits, kittens or mice. A predator is a predator is a predator.
To some people, chickens, ducks, geese ARE pets. Rabbits are the pets of a LOT of people. So why is one person's rabbit or duck somehow less special and valuable than the next person's kitten? That makes no logical sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttercup132
Twisterdog....you put how I feel abut the issue into words better that I could have imagined it. Thank you. :)
I second that!Quote:
Originally Posted by CathyBogart
Its the same here in Canada. You can kill an animal, you just cannot torture it. Its perfectly legal to walk up to an agressive dog & beat it to death with a 2x4. That happened about 10yrs ago or so. A GSD bit a child (fairly baddly too, didn't maul, but the childs face was a mess), the father picked up a 2x4 & killed the dog. The death has to be quick, as in the father couldn't beat the dog near death, walk away to let the dog die.. The father had to keep hitting it until it was dead.
Kay and Twister dog said what I was trying to say.
:eek: :eek: This is exactly why I adopted my one-eyed rat Winkie. I was putting the ratties in their habitats at the pet store I work at, when I noticed he only had one eye. I asked my manager if anyone would buy a one-eyed rat and she said that she didn't think the snake cared whether or not his dinner had one eye or two. I was totally repulsed and decided right then and there to adopt him and give him a wonderful life with me and my fur (and a bald dude) kids. He is THE most wonderful little guy. Very social (and spoiled). My cats are intrigued by him but they don't bother him.Quote:
Why kittens when you can use rabbits or rodents
The guy who feeds live animals to his snake is a jerk. At the pet store I work in, we have "Micecicles" which are dead, frozen mice to feed to snakes. I get a serious attitude whenever someone comes in to buy a rodent for their stinking snake, and try to discourage them. Never works though.
*sigh* At least there's one rattie that ain't gonna be no snake's dinner.
Most responsible snake owners would not choose to feed live food to their snakes if at all possible. Even if you have no compassion for the prey, most rodents are surprisingly capable of quickly inflicting quite a bit of damage to a snake when they are frightened. However, there are some snakes out there that no matter what will not take prekilled or frozen/thawed meals. I have 2 rescues that were raised on live, and after trying every trick in the book I still have not been able to make them take anything but live. I won't let these two mistreated and abused animals starve to death simply because I have moral qualms.
It may be an awful situation, but a 'serious attitude' displayed at work may not be the best response. If it is someone who is callous enough to enjoy feeding live, it will only make them more belligerent. If it is someone who is having to choose between letting their pet die or not, whether or not you agree with their decision, I personally don't feel giving them any more guilt or grief is warranted, especially when you are on the clock.
And as far as the food animals' pain or suffering, I think a snake tends to be faster and more efficient at what he does than some of the 'mice-cicle' companies. Some use more responsible methods, but there are also some pet stores and suppliers who simply throw live rodents in the freezer to freeze to death, or deliver blunt trauma and wait for them to stop twitching.
:confused: I don't understand how somebody could just hand a sweet kitten to a snake!!! Its just like that teacher who killed babie bunnies in front of a classroom!!! Theres something seriously wrong with them!!!! :mad:
Excuse me. I think I said what you quoted. I have a bunny who I love very much, my dad had rats who I also loved very much. I'm saying what is the difference between a rat and a cat emotionally? I said what you quoted because I think the OP was tying to imply that kittens are higher up/ more important than rats or bunnies. Snakes need to eat too.Quote:
Originally Posted by moosmom