The Latest Congressional Scandal

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Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary

Sparks...if you aren't following the story maybe you should be more careful in what you say....



It wasn't brought up to further anyone's political career. It was brought up because the parents of one of the pages complained. There has been NOTHING to suggest this was brought up by anyone with a political agenda.

And you "for" and "against" argument makes little sense. If a politican is against tax hikes I should not take that into consideration? Only if he or she is for tax cuts?

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That is not what I am saying and you know it. What I am referring to is those up for election running commercials saying "so and so voted for this.... so and so did this.... so and so did that." yet they offer NOTHING to say what they are for or what their solution is. In debates they talk about what the other guy is doing WRONG, not mention what they would do to correct it. I haven't heard anyone with a PLAN. I have just heard what their plan is NOT going to be. that's not enough for me. sorry

lololololol,

Why in the world would you IM with an AH 40 times that was sexually perverse with you and save the messages?


Pam,
It is a 'party problem'...well, one party that I went to.... ;)

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First of all.....


If you are 'adult enough' to go to Washington to work for a congressman, you should be adult enough to know when some moke is making a pass at you.

And you should be adult enough to turn the Bees turd in...


But, no!

I'll get kicked out of the program and be labeled as a whistle blower!


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Eff Foley.......He was using my tax dollars to get his gnarly kicks.

Throw those effing idiot pages into jail for being stupid..they covered up his behaivoir too by not reporting it.


I swear.....the only reason that Senor Foley lasted as long as he did was those pansys didn't have the batongas to go to the press and report him...


Hey Mom and Dad, your son was hit upon by an elected official and he wasn't man enough to defend himself.

Instead, he held on to the instant messages....

Caseysmom.

Don't be afraid... :eek:

Maybe we can find a modern-day hercules to divert the potomac and clean out the stables, if you know what I mean.

Batongas? LOL that's a new one. I'm going to use that word lol if you don't mind of course :D

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Originally Posted by sparks19

I don't recall ever EVER saying that Bill Clinton deserved the treatment he got for fooling around. I personally don't think it was anyone's business but his and his wifes. I CERTAINLY don't think it affected the way he ran the country. It was ridiculous and he never should have been impeached for it.

I agree that it likely had very little to do with his overall performance as a Legislature, Diplomat and Political Leader. As a President, his job is to make policy, create job opportunities and steer us toward economic prosperity, provide health care for all Americans, manage the national treasury, negotiate trade deals, broker treaties and set the direction for the country (as I see it). In this regard, I believe history will rate Clinton as adequate - perhaps better than most. I do agree that the Impeachment proceedings were a bit over the top, yet I believe somehow "he did get what he deserved" for cheating and then lying to the courts and his countrymen - you reap what you sow!!!


My hatred is seething. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. i don't HATE anyone. I don't HATE a political party. I would never be against voting for someone simply because of their political party. like i said, I don't vote AGAINST things, I vote FOR things.

YES I think it is shameful that they covered this up. HOWEVER, I think it is also shameful that this is only being brought up because it furthers someones political career. I am sorry I do not see 16 year olds as "children". Where I am from if you are over 16 you can have sex with whoever you want. 18 you are legally an adult but at 16 you can technically move out, have a job, drive a car, have sex. You just can't gamble, drink, or vote. If you are 16 or over it is not considered statutory rape. So NO I don't see why this is such a huge deal. Maybe I missed something though as I haven't been tracking every bit of info in this stupid story. Did he force the page into anything? From what I read he did not. IF I am wrong about that I am sorry as I did not see that part but from my understanding it was consentual.

Oh my... do you have kids? I can only say that I am glad that most Americans do "not" consider 16 year old adults - complete in every sense. CAN YOU REMEMBER THE STUPID SH** "YOU" DID WHEN YOU WERE 16??? If you can drive, work and have sex... WHY NOT DRINK, GAMBLE AND VOTE? JUST A QUESTION - although you say it is law in Canada... do most parents encourage their children to move out, take lovers and have "sex with whoever they want". That sounds "kinda liberal from a person with Conservative Leanings" I'll go out on a limb here...I will bet that they don't!!! WHY? Cause they "don't REALLY" believe they are yet responsible enough for all of this!

This is NOT about political party, and it shouldn't be MADE about political party.

Bobsdad, again you are assuming things about me. I am Canadian first of all. i did not serve, my h usband did. Already you are assuming you know me and the way I think. I did not vote for Bush (I coudln't have even if I wanted to) I can't go out and vote for the lesser of two evils. I have to believe in what they are promising, heck I just want to KNOW where they stand. But these days I never know where anyone stands because all they ever tell me is what the other guy shouldn't be doing. Again you are all so quick to judge because I have a conservative mindset. I don't ever recall saying that I believe in bush or that I don't think he is a moron. I DO think he is a moron but I really haven't seen anyone who would be less of a moron either. Do you know what the Dems plan is for Iraq? i certainly don't. i don't recall Kerry ever stating what his plan was for Iraq during the election race. he just kept saying I have a plan, never told us what the plan was. Until I hear another PLAN (and the plan cannot consist of what we shouldn't do) I will go with the plan we have. I have not heard an alternative offered by any party. Have you? if so what is it?

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Yes. Yes, I did. I voted for Bush in 2000. In 2004 I went to see and listen to Cheney when he came to Pittsburgh. I wasn't allowed in!!! But I did hear his position on many of the pertinent issues. He said all was KOSHER in Iraq... in fact, things were going well... the worst was behind us and we were just tidying up (in essence). I also went to see John Kerry (he let everyone in). He said that things were not so good in Iraq. The insurgency was getting stronger and sectarian violence was increasing. He said that if we continue on the current course of action, things will continue to get worse and that the cost in human life and money will be way beyond all current estimates being suggested by the BUSH administration.

He started out his speech on Iraq by saying (CONTRARY TO THE CUT & RUN WE SO OFTEN HEAR ABOUT), "In fighting the war on terrorism my principles are straightforward. The terrorists are beyond reason. We must destroy them. As president I will do whatever it takes, as long as it takes, to defeat our enemies.

But billions of people around the world, yearning for a better life, are open to America's ideals. We must reach them."

He went on to say, To win, America must be strong and America must be smart." SMART - NOW THERE'S A NOVEL IDEA TO THIS ADMINISTRATION. THAT ALONE SHOULD BE ENOUGH OF A CONTRAST TO THE CURRENT COURSE OF ACTION.

The greatest threat that we face is the possibility of Al Qaida or other terrorists getting their hands on nuclear weapons. [N. KOREA] To prevent that from happening we have to call on the totality of America's strength: strong alliances to help us stop the world's most lethal weapons from falling into the most dangerous hands; a powerful military, transformed to meet the threats of terrorism and the spread of weapons of mass destruction; and all of America's power -- our diplomacy, [DIPLOMACY - WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' DIPLOMACY... BRING IT ON] our intelligence system, our economic power, our appeal to the values, the values of Americans, and to connect them to the values of other people around the world -- each of which is critical to making America more secure and to preventing a new generation of terrorists from emerging..."

Talking about the financial cost of the war, the then Presidential candidate stated, " Economic adviser Larry Lindsey said it would cost as much as $200 billion. Pretty good calculation. He was fired." WAR HAS NOW COST US BY ANYONE'S ESTIMATE OVER 300 BILLION] http://costofwar.com/

After the successful entry into Baghdad, George Bush was offered help from the U.N., and he rejected it, stiff-armed them, decided to go it alone. He even prohibited nations from participating in reconstruction efforts because they weren't part of the original coalition, pushing reluctant countries even further away. And as we continue to fight this war almost alone, it is hard to estimate how costly that arrogant decision really was. [YOU WANT TO HELP??? UNH-UNH... not now. We started the war and we wanna finish it. YUP... I'M GW BUSH, n' don't forget it... Now git!!!]

WHAT DID HE "SAY" HE WOULD HAVE DONE - OR DO - DIFFERENTLY?
"I would have tightened the noose and continued to pressure and isolate Saddam Hussein -- who was weak and getting weaker -- so that he would pose no threat to the region or to America." [Economics, Tougher Sancions and Diplomacy]

He said he would go back to the U.N. and force them to pass Resolution 1546 [Bush eventually did this, but it was kinda anticlimatic). this Resolution called on U.N. members to help in Iraq by providing troops, trainers for Iraq's security forces and a special brigade to protect the U.N. mission, and more financial assistance and real debt relief.

But guess what? Three months later, not a single country had answered that call, and the president acted as if that didn't matter.

And of the 13 billion that was previously pledged to Iraq by other countries, only a little over a billion has been delivered. The President and the Administration has never leaned on those countries for their early or continued support.

He said he would convene a summit meeting of the world's major powers and of Iraq's neighbors in New York, where many leaders will attend the U.N. General Assembly, and he would insist that they make good on the U.N. resolution. He would offer potential troop contributors [OTHER COUNTRIES]specific but critical roles in training Iraqi security personnel and in securing Iraqi borders. He would give other countries a stake in Iraq's future by encouraging them to help develop Iraq's oil resources and by letting them bid on contracts instead of locking them out of the reconstruction process. In other words, bring the international community into the equation by YES... Yes, offering them a financial incentive in the rebuilding of Iraq - BUT THAT WOULD OF MEANT THAT BUSH COULD NOT HAVE GIVEN IT ALL TO HIS FRIENDS AND ASSOCIATES WITH NO_BID CONTRACTS - LIKE HALIBURTON]. That seemed fine to him at the time because you see... he had declared "Mission Accomplished" and he pretty much thought "the war was over" and that we were basically mopping up!

He said "he would stop insulting allies and shedding alliances [SEEMED LIKE A SMART AND PRUDENT THING TO ME]. He said that by continuing this arrogant and irresponsible course of action we would eventually alienate the few supporters we have and lose our world respect and the subsequent confidence in the American way. [DUH... has that happened???]

He said that we should recruit thousands of qualified trainers from our allies, especially those who have no troops in Iraq. He said we should press our NATO allies to open training centers in their countries.

And he said that he would not mislead the American people with phony, inflated numbers and start behaving like we really are at war.

So... contrary to revisionist history, he never proposed cutting and running and he had many, many ideas on what he would do differently. [ALSO SAID MANY MORE THINGS, BUT THAT IS WATER OVER THE DAMN... and you probably wouldn't be interested in hearing anyway]. YOU JUST DID NOT "BOTHER TO LISTEN", because your Conservative Leanings are so strong that you can't possibly believe that a Democrat could have a better idea that a Republican. If I close my eyes and cover my ears and say "Nuh -nuh-nuh-nuh - over and over" when someone attempts to speak to me, I am generally assured to never hear any new or maybe good ideas!

And one more thing... I know this is long, but I gotta get this out. I hear so many people say "I don't vote party, I vote the candidate". Sure... but they never give the opponent a chance to say anything - they let their own party do the translating for them - I mean, they wouldn't twist their words or ideas, WOULD THEY? When I hear this claim, I generally find the most doggedly devoted party loyalist. I challenge those who make this claim to tell us the most prominent opposing party nominees they have voted for. I'll start. Ronald Reagan, George Bush I, George Bush II, Rick Santorum (although I am about to vote his arse out) and Governor Ridge ( a great PA Governor, but for some unknown reason, President Bush plucked him - well, not really unknown, it was payback for his 2000 and 2004 support for his presidency run - for the newly created complete head of national security position!!!??? Billions of dollars later he came up with the Micky Mouse Color Coded Alert System. I feel much safer!

I just heard a congressperson being interviewed on one of the talking head programs. As above..."this is being brought up at this time for political gain...blah, blah." He was asked point blank..."Do you know of any evidence that this was done by or for the Democratic party?" Asked it three or four times.....finally he answered..."I don't have any evidence that it wasn't!"

So there you have it......Guilty until proven innocent!"

I don't know what he is for or what he is against....but he is just too stupid to be running around free!

ES, judging by some of the election statements made on various isses, that would apply to about 520 members of congress.

A coworker of mine said it best: "Inappropriate conduct is inappropriate conduct. It doesn't matter which party." Personally, I think the whole lot ought to be fired and we start all over. I like Arthur C. Clarke's method of electing folks for public office in the book Imperial Earth . Every citizen who is of age gets their name put into a hat. The "Winner" serves out his/her term, hoping to do a good enough job so as to get time off for good behavior! :p

Let's see - the last President had sex with an adult and we impeached him. Now, we have a President that lied about Weapons of Mass Destruction, took us into a war that we really don't (at this point) have a chance of "winning" - costing more U.S. lives then the event that gave him an excuse to send us to war in the first place, and the budget deficeit is $247.7 Billion!

Mr. Foley should have been turned into the POLICE when someone learned of the very first e-mail! There should not be an "Ethics Committee" hearing because, let's face it, Congress has no ethics!

Personally - I think that all of the politicians in the country should be shot and we should start all over.

Please....

Everyone's to blame except for the pages?

What about the dink that went to Foley's place with another page AFTER he got the messages?


Then the OTHER page starts getting hit upon?

I guess you can say these kids were young and impressionable..

Which makes them the STUPID AND IMPRESSIONABLE ADULTS OF TOMORROW...

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Just like the broads that were hit upon by B.J. Clinton..

they sat on the story until it mattered.


Sparks,

Do a search on "batonga wongas"..not my creation, but funny none the less.
Kee rist...

I am betting if you have sex organs you have hit or been hit on in your life.

Get a grip America......

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Originally Posted by RICHARD

Get a grip America......

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I believe that is precisely what Foley did.......

I don't know if some of you have heard about it....but there are laws against this kind of behavior in the workplace...it is called sexual harassment and it is not acceptable regardless of the age or the shall we say...depth of the violation.... laws that I guess don't apply to our lawmakers????? :confused: :confused: :confused:

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Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary

I believe that is precisely what Foley did.......

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Ummmm Sara :o I laughed in spite of myself. :o :o :o


I think some in GOP leadership should have seen something in the first
emails characterized as "over friendly" emails to teenage boys by Foley
way back in 2000. Just because he was their "perv" didn't make it any
more acceptable, but a vote is a vote, I guess. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by lizbud

but a vote is a vote, I guess. :rolleyes:

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Foley was also an exceptionally good fund raiser!

I spoke to a good friend of mine yesterday afternoon about the upcoming Congressional election. He is a lobbyist in Washington so is privy to quite a lot of information that most private citizens are not. He said that he knows that this crap has been going on since the early 1980s and everyone keeps it hush hush and that this particular situation was supposed to be kept at the staff level and then is got leaked and blew up! He said Washington is scrambling....hard and fast. He also made the statement that he feels (gut reaction) based on what he's seen in Washington (and he was just there last week) that the Democrats will probably take the House in November. I just wish we could get rid of the moron we have representing NE Indiana...ACK he drives me nuts! Oh, and just so you know...he's an independent! :)