how long does it take to call the sheriff, give them the address, and ask them to meet you out there? If they say no, call the state police and do the same. Phone calls don't take much time.
how long does it take to call the sheriff, give them the address, and ask them to meet you out there? If they say no, call the state police and do the same. Phone calls don't take much time.
According to the information I have, she has not offered any of those things to police or had not when this story first broke.
Hey - I am not the enemy, I am just saying - when you break the law, no matter why you do it, you need to be prepared to pay the consequences.
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Originally Posted by LilacDragon
Again, there was no interest in any evidence that the dog had been abused or criminally neglected. As far as they were concerned, the dog's safety or condition was not even an issue.
One, this REALLY looks like a grandstand ploy to get attention. The website miraculously updated with numerous videos, pics, the credit card donations and 1-800 numbers, etc. The phone numbers for media, legal authorities, etc.
This isn't a little lone woman out in the woods doing good deeds. (Not disputing the deeds, just the intent). If she really tried, I'm willing to bet she could have accomplished the same goal (helping doogie) WITHOUT getting arrested, WITHOUT all the media, etc.
Someone wanted some attention, and did what she had to do to get it.
If it makes more animal abusers wake up and smell the coffee I am all for it, going public in a big way, god knows everytime they close down a puppymill the call goes out for media cover, donations, etc, how is this any different??? , or is it just because it is a SMALL 501c3 agencyas compared to the HSUS
Doesn't make a difference to me whether they are PETA, HSUS, or the shelter down the street. Manipulating the legal system to get media attention is wrong, period.
I'm glad that Doogie was rescued from his dire situation. However, in this case I'm not so sure that Tammy went about matters in the correct way; I'll get back to this in a second. I'm disgusted that the AC, humane society, police ect. did not act on this matter. I don't know 100% of the story, but if it is true that none of these groups reacted then that is truly sad on their part.
Now to Tammy's approach. It really hasn't shown animal abusers whose wrong. In my opinion it has actually kind of back fired. Here's my thought pattern: Bad owner doesn't provide a proper home or care for his/her dog. Member of a rescue group comes and saves dog. Police come and arrest rescue lady. Negligent owners now have a dog that they don't care about removed from their property the easy way. Negligent owners are not in jail and most of the public focus will be on rescue lady, dog, humane society, and police, but not on them. Rescue lady is in jail and has probably really annoyed local law enforcement with her actions/motives.
Hopefully this will help neglected pets, and will help make sure that law enforcement is on the side of humane societies, rescues, and those who care about animals. However, I truly believe that we are not getting 100% of the story in this case. It has been said before; people don't get locked away in jail instantly. If she was in jail why wouldn't they be asking to help post bail, or for legal fees to hire a good attorney? I think the story is real, I think Doogie is real and in much better hands, but I think the story is written and displayed very 1 sided and to feed off the raw emotion of animal lovers. I'd be interested to see all public records, prior actions for this specific case, responses by law enforcement ect. There are always 2 sides to every coin.
The information that I have came from a reliable source who called and talked to the arresting officer.Quote:
Originally Posted by flip195
I have "liberated" a dog or two in my life and I can promise you that I kept it as quiet as possible. The dogs were left alone, chained with no food, shelter or water. Had the police knocked on my door, then I would have given them the evidence that I had, the dog and demanded that the situation was investigated.
Sorry, but I have met the local representative of Dogs Deserve Better and I was unimpressed. While I agree that dogs should not lived chained in a yard, I do think that there are ways to deal with the issue that do not include stealing people's pets.
This is NOT a small 501c3.Quote:
or is it just because it is a SMALL 501c3
They evidently have reps in all states. Somewhat curious for a chartered non profit working in the area of animal abuse not to know the statutes in their home state? The post above where it states that a chartered animal abuse agency can request a warrant?
THe deeper I look, the more this stinks.
She should post up the veterinary report on Doogie to her site (blacking out the vet contact information) as well as a statement from the people who saw Doogie.
I just want to go on record by saying that I am GLAD she removed a dog from this abusive situation. I might have done the same thing. And, btw, stealing is a legal term of art. If she didn't have the requsite mental intent to deprive the rightful owner of the dog, she didn't 'steal'. AND, there are 'emergency' type regulations, ordinances, laws, that provide for rescue type situations, something she prolly could take advantage of at the time of trial. Last, IF what she is saying is accurate, there shouldn't be a single problem with standing before a Judge on these charges.
I tend to agree that this is the sort of thing that can make people stand up and notice. I wondered why she didn't call a local news team to come out and videotape the situation? That would have gotten the law enforcement people up and moving.
In any event, if she ceased the suffering of one more animal, I stand behind her. But, when you take the law into your own hands, you gotta be ready for the "riot".
i don't want to second guess here , but had it been a publicity stunt, as some like to think... then calling the media to meet her there would have been the perfect solution, I truely do not believe her intention was to manipulate the media, I believe she saw the problem and acted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataholic
However, based on what i would have done... I would have gone there video and camera in hand, with the intention of speaking to the owner, having seen the dog in the neglected abused state I would have removed the dog and taken it to a vet as the owners were not home. While at the vets office I would have called the police, ac and HSUS and told them I had the dog at the vet as the animal was distressed and in urgent need of medical care.
The police are making excuses, based on the owners own statement to the press, the video, the pictures, the witness statement, and the vets report there is NO WAY IN HECK this owner can not be charged with abuse.
The good ole boy nextwork is alive and well and living in Freedom PA.
Can anyone here honestly say that if they had been contacting authorities for three days and nothing had happened they wouldn't have done something? I know I would have. Tammy is getting the public and the media involved now as much as she can, and I can't blame her.
However, in her original video she clearly indicates that she knew it was likely that trouble would come from this. "would you testify if we do have to go to court?"
She does now have a veterinary report stating that Doogie was neglected, and this is getting national attention for Dogs Deserve Better. I can't see the media attention as a bad thing, and I really don't think this was originally intended as a publicity stunt, but I don't blame her for taking advantage of the publicity now that she's got it.
In the local newspaper article the Humane Society stated that the COULDN'T take any action on the phone calls as there was no address given by the caller. Hard to respond to a call when you don't know where it is.
If I was trying to solely remedy the dog's situation, I would have done things as quietly as possible. I find it curious that there is a means in the statutes for any humane organization (or animal charity) to get a warrant to remove an animal from an abusive situation, and there was no warrant requested.
Again, I find it hard to believe that a national organization would not know and take advantage of the law in the state which they originated.
Do you honestly beleive someone would call in an abuse report and not leave an address???, if that is the case why bother calling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
First they said they recieved no calls, now they are saying they had no address, they, like the police are covering their butts.