Bush vetoes embryonic stem-cell bill

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07-20-2006, 09:53 AM
Maresche

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Originally Posted by sparks19

If you were pregnant and it was an Embryo at this point and science said OK we need that Embryo because we need to run some more experiments, would you just say OK?

I wasn't going to say anything but this comment takes the bill completely out of context and represents a complete misunderstanding of this issue in my opinion.

The scientists want to use cells from embryos already aborted OR extra embryos from IV procedures. These are unwanted embryos as it is, so why not use them to bring some good to the world. They are not going to be brought to term anyway.

No one has said anything about forcing/paying women to have abortions in the name of science. Such an idea is absolutely ridiculous in my opinion and I highly doubt it would be tolerated in America. But that is not the topic of this bill.
07-20-2006, 09:57 AM
beeniesmom

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Originally Posted by sparks19

If you were pregnant and it was an Embryo at this point and science said OK we need that Embryo because we need to run some more experiments, would you just say OK?

I think that it would be only for women getting abortions. Am I wrong?

EDIT: MAresche you beat me to the question.
07-20-2006, 09:58 AM
Maresche

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Originally Posted by beeniesmom

I think that it would be only for women getting abortions. Am I wrong?

No you are NOT wrong. If the subject of the bill was forced abortions it NEVER would have made it through the House or Senate.
07-20-2006, 09:58 AM
Puckstop31

You know what bugs me the most about this? THIS, is the first thing he vetos. Please...
07-20-2006, 10:01 AM
sparks19

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Originally Posted by Maresche

I wasn't going to say anything but this comment takes the bill completely out of context and represents a complete misunderstanding of this issue in my opinion.

The scientists want to use cells from embryos already aborted OR extra embryos from IV procedures. These are unwanted embryos as it is, so why not use them to bring some good to the world. They are not going to be brought to term anyway.

No one has said anything about forcing/paying women to have abortions in the name of science. Such an idea is absolutely ridiculous in my opinion and I highly doubt it would be tolerated in America. But that is not the topic of this bill.

I agree. My point was not that they are just asking random women to give it up. But many people say well it's just a mass of cells, but if that mass of cells were yours would you feel differently?
07-20-2006, 10:03 AM
beeniesmom

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Originally Posted by sparks19

I agree. My point was not that they are just asking random women to give it up. But many people say well it's just a mass of cells, but if that mass of cells were yours would you feel differently?

No, because if I chose to give my "mass of cells" up, it meant that I didn't want them in the first place. At least it would go towards some good.
07-20-2006, 10:08 AM
Maresche

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Originally Posted by sparks19

I agree. My point was not that they are just asking random women to give it up. But many people say well it's just a mass of cells, but if that mass of cells were yours would you feel differently?

I still don't the point of this statement in relation to the bill at discussion.

Of course, my thoughts would differ if the embryo asked to be given up is mine. But that isn't happening here. No one is giving up wanted embryos/masses of cells. No one wants them and they are going to be disposed of in an incerinator anyway. Why not make some use of them so they don't go to waste?
07-20-2006, 10:09 AM
Maresche

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Originally Posted by beeniesmom

No, because if I chose to give my "mass of cells" up, it meant that I didn't want them in the first place. At least it would go towards some good.

You hit the nail on the head!
07-20-2006, 10:11 AM
sparks19

Not everyone makes a CHOICE to lose their Embryos. Remember that.

Sorry I brought this a little close to home. I must depart from this thread.
07-20-2006, 10:14 AM
Maresche

I apologize if this issue hits you close to home. I never meant to make any of this personal.
07-20-2006, 10:20 AM
sparks19

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Originally Posted by Maresche

I apologize if this issue hits you close to home. I never meant to make any of this personal.

I have to apologize. You didn't make it personal. i did and that was foolish of me to do.
07-20-2006, 10:51 AM
smokey the elder

Let me clarify my position. I don't advocate the creation of embryos (how dow you spell that anyway?) just to make stem cells. But, when people do IVF, extras are made in the process. The fate of these "extras" is to be destroyed. I would much prefer that the option be provided to the parents of the extra embryos to choose to have them used for scientific research, or not.

The possibility of being able to do true regenerative medicine boggles the mind.
07-21-2006, 05:07 PM
moosmom

Smokey the Elder,

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I would much prefer that the option be provided to the parents of the extra embryos to choose to have them used for scientific research, or not

I agree with you 100%. I believe that they at least give the parents the option of destroying them or donating them. If it were ME, I'd donate them. If it can bring someone a medical miracle, they by all means!! But that's me. Everyone else has their own opinion and I respect that.

I also believe (while I'm on my soapbox) that Bush is vetoing with his religious beliefs and not with his common sense. But again, it's my opinion.

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