BTW I do know what a puppy mill is thank you very much.
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BTW I do know what a puppy mill is thank you very much.
I'd have to agree that this wonderful "breeder" has all the earmarks of a puppy mill. So much for the idea of checking breeders out through phone conversations. At least it sounds like the dogs are pretty well taken care of other than being bred to death.
However, what's done is done! And little Ollie has found a wonderful loving home where he will be well cared for. All we can do now is hope that he is healthy and that all the other pups in those bins are also healthy and are as lucky as Ollie was in finding a great home rather than be kept as breeding stock.
They are healthy, it's not a puppy mill if the dogs are healthy.
Welcome to your furever home Ollie!! I am sure you will have a wonderful, fun-filled life there with Curly and the humans who love you!! :) No matter where you came from you are an adorable puppy. :p
I can't wait to watch you grow up. Maybe one of the humans in the house will get a digital camera for Christmas!! hee hee :D
LOL!!! Thanks Taz! He is in bed now. :( I want him to come out and play some more!!! lol :D
Awwe, he's a pooped puppy. :p Well, you will have plently of time to play and love on him over your winter break. :) He is very lucky to have such a great sis!! :D
I'd have to agree that this wonderful "breeder" has all the earmarks of a puppy mill. So much for the idea of checking breeders out through phone conversations. At least it sounds like the dogs are pretty well taken care of other than being bred to death.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flatcoatluver
However, what's done is done! And little Ollie has found a wonderful loving home where he will be well cared for. All we can do now is hope that he is healthy and that all the other pups in those bins are also healthy and are as lucky as Ollie was in finding a great home rather than be kept as breeding stock.
LADIES LADIES LADIES.....MUST I REALLY GO DOWN THIS ROAD AGAIN ESPICALLY SOO CLOSE TO CHRISTMAS? BUT I SUPPOSE I WILL WHERE AS YOU MUST RAIN ON JUNES PARADE. DID YOU SPEND YOUR MONEY ON THE PUPPY?...NO! ARE YOU GOING TO PAY FOR ANY OF THE VET BILLS REGARDLESS OF WEATHER ITS HEALTHLY OR NOT?...NO!!! SO WHY DO YOU CARE?...DO YOU HAVE TO PAY TO FEED IT?...NO IN THE BOOK OF THE BOTH OF YOU THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A "REPITUABLE" BREEDER AND IT SEEMS AS IF THE ONLY WAY SOMEONE CAN GET AN A++ IN YOUR BOOK IS IF YOU ADOPT FORM A SHELTER WHICH STILL HAS NO HEALTH GRANETEES. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION TO YOU WHICH YOU WONT ANSWER BUT WILL SKIRT AROUND IS WHY DO YOU CARE SOOO MUCH WHAT ANOTHER PERSON DOES WITH THERE MONEY?.....THIS FEED WAS SUPPOSED TO BE POSITVE AND SUPPORTIVE OF JUNES AND HER NEW PUPPY WEATHER SHE GOT IT FROM A SHELTER OR FROM MARS. SOO PLEASE BACK OFF AND LET WHATS BE BE!!!!!!!!!!!! :confused: :mad: :D
Oh And I Almost Forgot Flatcoat Junes Isnt As Stupid As You May Think She Is Well Aware Of What A Puppy Mill Is. And Your Were Kind Of Rude In A Witchy Kind Of Way To Imply Otherwise. :d
Mr. Chiwawa, you're being pretty rude & condescending. Flatcoat & Applesmom showed their concern in a very civil way. This IS a public forum, and people are entitled to their own polite opinions without being berated by you, thanks. People who are involved in rescue and really involved in their particular breed (showing, rescuing, breeding responsibly) DO have to clean up after the messes that mills & BYB's leave... don't think that buying one puppy doesn't create a ripple affect. It does. A breeder who does health testing & shows the dog & strives to actually improve their breed is NOT impossible to find, it's actually pretty easy with most breeds. Just stop by a show or trial, or talk to a breed club & they're right there!
I agree that with 30+ Pugs & 3 litters at one time, those are the stats of a miller, not a "hobby breeder". Hobby breeders have a few dogs & breed minimally. A puppy mill does not have to have sick dogs in tiny cages to be a mill. The idea of a puppy mill is to pump out pups from untested/unshown "pet quality" parents with the goal of making money being #1. However, it is great that the dogs are being well cared for.
Congrats on your puppy. =] I'm glad he's healthy & happy and he's in a loving home.
Dogzr#1, this puppy has already been born and also needs a home. Why do you say a pug from a shelter REALLY needs a home. I fail to see the difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by dogzr#1
I just don't understand how some of you can be so harsh to someone who comes on here to post about how excited she is. A simple definition of a BYB would be sufficient and then just let it go. She obviously loves this little dog so why do you continue to beat up on her? She will be the one raising this little one.
My first dog came from a pet shop and my second dog came from a BYB. I didn't know anything about how to select a proper breeder back then, but I can tell you these dogs were smart, healthy and got me hooked on this breed. They represented the breed well, and both lived into their teens, the second one making it to 17.
June I am thrilled for you. I haven't read through the rest of these posts because I just couldn't stand the way people were taking the air out of your balloon. I look forward to meeting your new puppy. I have a secret closet desire to own a pug as many people on this board know. :)
First of all, it does seem like to me, that certain people will only support someone getting a new dog if they get the dog from a shelter, and again, as stated, with no guarrentee. Also- its her new dog, and stop trying to rain on her parade.
Breeders can have many dogs- and 3 litters- come on now- these are pugs- they would not have max 3 pups per litter- and usually that its 2 or even one. I had two litters at one time before- bred the second female because the other female missed the time before. Both litters had the same sire- I had 6 pups from one litter and 9 in the other. I also had a waiting list, and all had homes- most as show candidates, some police work- and two as pets.( one of the pets were to a retired police officer that missed his partner that he had gotton from my first litter.)
We have several people here that have over 10 dogs- are you saying they do not take good care of their dogs??? I have several friends that have a menagerie of animals, seems like alot of me, but it runs like clock work. Junes even checked if ALL THE DOGS- NOT JUST THE PUPPIES- but ALL THE dogs were healthy- something that can not be seen over the phone. And NOTE TO SELF- DO NOT POST NEW PICTURES OF ANY ADDITION INTO MY HOME...
We have another pt'r that recently posted pictures of her new Gordon setter puppy. Maybe its because Junes is young that she is attacked so- but I never saw on the other thread ONE SINGLE SOLITARY WORD to the poster with the Gordon pup " you should have checked the shelters etc.."I find it even more appalling that she would be ambushed, but the adult wasnt with the Gordon. There is a prejudice here against the pure bred dog- and I have had enough of this. If this appears harsh in statement- read as an outsider the words that have been posted by some..
*** THAT being said- JUNES- I AM THRILLED YOUR MOTHER WAS SO THRILLED! Ollie is a perfect name as well, and I am sure your mother even let the puppy sleep with her last night.. lol.. It sure does sound like it. :D
Junescrater I apologize for posting a seemingly negative comment in your thread. I wish you and your family nothing but joy and happiness with the new pup.
My comments should have been and will be reserved for the Breeder Impressions thread from now on. Enjoy!
thanks guys. Ollie is sitting right here with me even as I type. :D Curly is still getting used to Ollie but little Oliver is just so hyper!!! I'd act like curly too if I had this little thing bouncing all around me!!! lol :p
At one point in my life, and for several years, I had many dogs in my house that were past showing, and breeding age- and they lived out thier lives with me. To the outsider- it would look like " alot of dogs" but the fact is- what was I supposed to do- just because they are too old to show etc- THROW THEM OUT??? No- they stayed with me as loving companions- and deserved their retirements. You could come into my house- find 25 shepherds, all but 2 females and two males were of retirement years... And at one point I had 35- and in one year, I had 7 deaths that year. ( It was heart breaking) from old age.
All of this is why I have 4 spaced out in age- but the fact is- they really are not- Hottie is the oldest- but femka is right behind him.. Zubin and Galina are brother and sister- However- it will take these two well into age before facts are- we will loose Femka. ( And that is if we do not loose Hottie in the next year as the vets say...).. Having alot of dogs doesnt mean they are being bred- it just means you have ALOT OF PETS.. And anyone that knows me would also know- when Galina is bred- it will be Borzoi number 5 that stays here- as a loved companion, well cared for and deeply loved. My mother still has her last cavalier- having many at a time over the years- same thing- they each lived out their lives with her.. Old dogs or not. People think I am an idiot to spend so much on Hottie every year- the fact is- I can not see him not being in my life- and he is AFFECTIONALLY CALLED- THE 10 GRAND DOG!!! NEUTERED AND RETIRED! And if the money wasnt there for the next scare- would I borrow the money- YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT!!! IN a heart beat- no questions asked! And he is not even of my breeding- ... Actually- none of them are- ( yet..).. In fact- the only impact I had other than having them come here, is I waited for the breeding of Zubin and Galinas parents for a puppy- but that was it! And- as anyone that breeds dogs knows- they keep a puppy out of a litter, but they do not come out as nice as you like. However- they still stay here...
this statement is only partly trueQuote:
Originally Posted by borzoimom
EssTer is an adult -and she herself is a teenager, but she is a long time member here - she started here when she was 15.
While I agree that this pug breeder sounds like the beginning of a puppy mill MAYBE - I do feel Mr. Chiwawa was a bit harsh in his YELLING post. But Pam's post was nicely and eloquently written as always. :)
everyone is allowed to have their opinions about pure breds or mixed breeds. I'm not entirely sure this board is against pure breds per' se- I definately think that getting from a breeder is looked down upon by some people.
I never thought I would have a purebred dog - ever - b/c I simply wouldn't pay the money for one when I could go to the pound or the shelter and get a dog. Well, my first dog from the local Humane Society was a PURE BRED greyhound. My 2nd dog - is a pure bred Golden retriever by you guessed it a back yard breeder! egads! -
Did I pay for her? No - A friend from work found out my first dog had died and offered me the puppy from the litter b/c she had the sire of the litter and they were getting a pick of the litter pup - and their whole family already had multiple dogs. She was given to me out of friendship. Would I trade her for the world? No way. Do I know the love and satisfaction I can get from a shelter dog - yes - but no way would I trade my maybe poorly bred - PURE OF HEART - love of my life Keegan - ever. And if that makes me a bad person - so be it - b/c Keegan sure doesn't think so!
We should ALL be the person our DOGS think we are!
Congrats Junes - looking forward to the pics. :)