just curious...all rat owners speak up! how much does it cost to buy yogurt drops in ur area? here u get this tiny little bottle (about the size of a regular bottle of pills) for $8!!! ahk, it expensive!
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just curious...all rat owners speak up! how much does it cost to buy yogurt drops in ur area? here u get this tiny little bottle (about the size of a regular bottle of pills) for $8!!! ahk, it expensive!
Oh god I sure hope you did not buy a box of Kaytee yogurt drops???:eek:
Please check the label for this Ethoxyquin and if it's in the ingredients toss them right away then go to my feeding article and click the links about this dangerous additive that kills and deforms animals!!!!
no i dont buy yogurt drops, they r waaaay too expensive for me...i might as well just give them yogurt lol...why? ive never heard of those b4...i dont think my petshops have the same things as everyone elses cuz im always hearing of these things ive never seen before lol...whats the big deal with this kind? dangerous right? everything they sell seems to be dangerous, and they dont even care....thats y when im older, i wanna have a pet shop/shelter (a mix of the two! :D ) and i will post up signs in the front warning of the dangers of everything bad that other petshops sell, and they will all come crawling to me mwahahaha!!! lol jk, but i would never sell bad things, live pine or cedar shavings.
Mine was $3.19. They love yogies, hope will do anything for them :D
Ash
LOL! :p
I can just imagine your evil petshop plan like a cartoon or something, ROTFLMAO!
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Originally posted by Aspen and Misty
Mine was $3.19. They love yogies, hope will do anything for them :D
Ash
Check your ingredients! Please!!! Look for Ethoxyquin...it's a killer!:eek:
I have a safe brand..let me see what it is...one sec....
Ok the brand is Vitakraft.;)
Mine cost around 3 bucks.
Hmm let me check................................
Nope no Ethoxyquin in there. :D Mine is made by Eight In One Pet Products. :D
Ash
OOH that's a good brand too! They use Vitamin E instead of Ethoxyquin :)
Yeeeessss...mwahahahaha!!! evil petshop!!! ahem..uhhhh i mean...nice...petshop...heh...heh...heh..ahem..heh ...im not crazy...*eye twitches*Quote:
Originally posted by luckies4me
LOL! :p
I can just imagine your evil petshop plan like a cartoon or something, ROTFLMAO!
I usually pay about $3- $3.5 for the Vitakraft. My dogs love them! They also love the fruit covered yogurt sold for small animals!
So the yogurt drops are not safe? Phew! I was just going to buy them for my birds for Eid! They never got them before, and I wanted to try it out! Thanks for telling!
My rats refuse to eat Vitakraft drops (they LOVE Kaytee). They hate them so much, Skittles THREW hers out of the cage!! I was sitting at my desk doing homework and I heard something drop on the floor, I looked, and there was a yogurt drop on the floor. LOL. Plus, Vitakraft drops are pure sugar...along with other sugary ingredients.
I visited your homepage... didn't find the feeding article.... ?Quote:
Originally posted by luckies4me
Please check the label for this Ethoxyquin and if it's in the ingredients toss them right away then go to my feeding article and click the links about this dangerous additive that kills and deforms animals!!!!
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Originally posted by YellowLabLover
My rats refuse to eat Vitakraft drops (they LOVE Kaytee). They hate them so much, Skittles THREW hers out of the cage!! I was sitting at my desk doing homework and I heard something drop on the floor, I looked, and there was a yogurt drop on the floor. LOL. Plus, Vitakraft drops are pure sugar...along with other sugary ingredients.
Kaytee is a killer! Did yo go to my links on my feeding page? It also deforms animals, especially dogs. My link also has info on corn toxicity.
Here is the link again...also for Zippy Kat. BTW I have yet to add pages to my site...I don't even have all my rats up, I just added my does page today!
feeding part 1
feeding article 2
Please note that I am STILL not done with the second page as you can plainly see.
I have been to your website hundreds of times luckies...;) :p
So far Kaytee isn't a killer so far because it hasn't killed my rats, nor made 'em ill.
Ethoxyquin is the 20th ingredient listed...which means there is hardly any in there. (As you know, as you read and ingredient list, the further you go, the smaller the amount of that ingredient.)
But why would you want to risk their health? Ethoxyquin has killed TONS of animals!!! Please go to this site to learn more..they also have a movie that is VERY good.
My view is, even if it is a little bit it can cause so much harm and I would rather not risk my rats life than to feed something that has just a bit because the truth is evena little tiny bit if fed over and over and ove effects them. ;)
Ehtoxyquin
Note that it has been found in research that several lab rats have suffered serious birthing complications etc. when fed even small portions of this chemical..and it is not really regulated by the USDA and Food and Drug Administration.
You can find several articles online and also talk to your vet about the effects of this chemical on rats.
Not once did I see the word "rat" mentioned in that article about dogs and the effects of Ethoxyquin on them. :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
i wouldnt risk it either...when i found out about pine shavings being bad for pocket pets, i threw them away...two full bags of pine shavings...and it didnt even make my rat sick...there was some porphyrin, but the vet told me that that was normal and that its nothing to worry about *makes a voodoo doll of vet* mwahaha *ahem* lol
It doesn't have to mention rats. Do a search and you wil find articles that mention rats. If it does that to dogs which are so many tims bigger than rats (and the same amount is used in foods) imagine what it could do to an even smaller animal such as a rat! Scary stuff! You should watch the video!:eek:
Just because it affects dogs DOES NOT mean it can affect rats. They are two total different species. For example, we can eat 3 chocolate bars and not die, if a dog eats 1 chocolate bar it can be fatal.
Wolfsoul- It worries me to read your posts.
video! weee now i have to watch it!Quote:
Originally posted by luckies4me
It doesn't have to mention rats. Do a search and you wil find articles that mention rats. If it does that to dogs which are so many tims bigger than rats (and the same amount is used in foods) imagine what it could do to an even smaller animal such as a rat! Scary stuff! You should watch the video!:eek:
Yes but it does effect rats...which is what I am saying.
I amspending WAY too much time here lol...I need to get going so I will talk to you all later. Cya!:)
she said that other sites mention rats though...maybe check and see?Quote:
Originally posted by YellowLabLover
Just because it affects dogs DOES NOT mean it can affect rats. They are two total different species. For example, we can eat 3 chocolate bars and not die, if a dog eats 1 chocolate bar it can be fatal.
Wolfsoul- It worries me to read your posts.
y does reading my posts worry u?:confused: its not my fault i asked how much yoggies r and it led to this...if u ask me, its better it led to this...now ppl can be more educated on the affects of such things as these.
This is one interesting thread! LOL
Ash
lol no doubt...its cuz i made it :D lol just kiddin witchaQuote:
Originally posted by Aspen and Misty
This is one interesting thread! LOL
Ash
I'm not worried about the thread you make...I am worried about the things you are doing to you rats.
You used pine bedding/bought pine bedding. When you did your research before you bought rats (that's what your supposed to do) didn't you read about how cedar and pine can kill rats?????? :confused: :confused: If it wasn't for Luckies clearing up your mistakes i.e. over dosing rats on suppliments and vitamins and saying it's ok to give rats Hamster food, you would be educating the public in a bad fashion. I tried to hold this in for a long time, but I can't hold it any longer....I'm sorry but I tried REALLY REALLY REALLY hard.
(That's all I'm gunna say....don't need to fight/argue. ;) :) )
You can feed rats hamster food. I never knew that, o gee. This Luckies4me, always teaching people ;)Quote:
Originally posted by YellowLabLover
saying it's ok to give rats Hamster food,
Ash
No...it's not a good idea to give rats hamster/gerbil food. Luckies just cleared that up for everyone. :cool:
I know I was just kiddin, LOL. N/nm if you read thisQuote:
Originally posted by YellowLabLover
No...it's not a good idea to give rats hamster/gerbil food. Luckies just cleared that up for everyone. :cool:
like i said, i didnt have the internet, and i couldnt find any books on rats, so i just asked the petshops and the vet....they told me what they thought they knew was good or bad, and they really didnt say much in the bad section...they told me that shavings are fine, that gerbil and hamster food is healthy to use for a full diet, that porphyrin is normal and nothing to worry about...i got upset one day when i saw Frisco bruxing cuz i didnt know what it was so i took him to the vet (against my mothers will...got in biiig trouble) and he said that frisco has brain damage and that it would also contribute to his hyperactive behaviour....they told me all this crap and when i finally got the internet, i realised that they were wrong...Quote:
Originally posted by YellowLabLover
I'm not worried about the thread you make...I am worried about the things you are doing to you rats.
You used pine bedding/bought pine bedding. When you did your research before you bought rats (that's what your supposed to do) didn't you read about how cedar and pine can kill rats?????? :confused: :confused: If it wasn't for Luckies clearing up your mistakes i.e. over dosing rats on suppliments and vitamins and saying it's ok to give rats Hamster food, you would be educating the public in a bad fashion. I tried to hold this in for a long time, but I can't hold it any longer....I'm sorry but I tried REALLY REALLY REALLY hard.
(That's all I'm gunna say....don't need to fight/argue. ;) :) )
as u can see, i corrected myself when talking about the gerbil/hamster food...she was referring to the stuff with alphalpha and corn in it, and i was referring to just the regular mix of seeds kind (the kind that IS safe)
Oh..ok...sorry...I'm a little dumb/slow when it comes to jokes. Hehe. :p :p :oQuote:
Originally posted by Aspen and Misty
I know I was just kiddin, LOL. N/nm if you read this
P.S. I answered your rat cage price question under Rat Cages
LOL, I didn't think anyone would get it :rolleyes: stupid joke any way ;)Quote:
Originally posted by YellowLabLover
Oh..ok...sorry...I'm a little dumb/slow when it comes to jokes. Hehe. :p :p :o
P.S. I answered your rat cage price question under Rat Cages
I know that is outragiouse I would never ever pay that much!
Ash
YLL a link or links if I find more about Ehtoxyquin effecting rats...very scary stuff!:eek:
rats
"Ethoxyquin has low oral toxicity in test animals. The oral LD50 of 20% and 50%, ethoxyquin in rats is 800-1,000mg/kg and the oral LD50 for 70% ethoxyquin in rats is 3,300 mg/kg. The oral LD50s in mice for 0.125% and 0.25% ethoxyquin are 85.7 -94.0 mg/kg and 98.5-112.1 mg/kg, respectively. This compound is a mild skin and eye irritant in test animals. Ethoxyquin was found to significantly decrease body weight, food intake, and occasionally growth rate in rats, cows, dogs, chickens, and mice exposed to prechronic and chronic doses in animal feed. In these studies, ethoxyquin caused a significant increase in liver and kidney weights in test animals. In male rats, adverse effects observed included scars on kidneys, inclusions in hepatic cells, and kidney lesions in the higher dosed groups (500-4000 ppm). Effects characteristic of chronic glomerulus nephrosis in male rats exposed to 4,000 ppm ethoxyquin were observed. In dogs fed doses of ethoxyquin ranging from 10-100 mg/kg, adverse effects observed included anorexia, abdominal pain, and increased liver and kidney weights. Dose-dependent exogenous pigment was seen in all groups. These animals also exhibited an increased fat content in the collecting tubules of kidneys, suggestive of fatty nephrosis. Limited data were found on the carcinogenic potential ofethoxyquin. This chemical has been found to be a weak bladder carcinogen in rats."
And if you can undertand any of this, lol...
http://www.biochemj.org/bj/279/bj2790385.htm
and another:
http://budgies-n-tiels.com/ethox.html
I am sure you can find more on your own;)
Iv never bought yogurt drops for my ratties....but i think around here a small(very small)box is about 3-4 dollars?just guessing.......
Kaytee? Killer? Whatever! My friend's cockatiel is 25 years old. He eats Kaytee, and has been eating Kaytee seeds forever. The vet says he's one of the healthiest birds he ever met. I don't think Kaytee would be such a well known brand sold everywhere, a food that all animals consume on daily bases if it was so bad.
POPCORNBIRD- I LLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEEEE YOU! OMG- FINIALY, SOMEONE WHO ARGREES WITH ME (AND MY MOM) ABOUT THIS KAYTEE B.S!!
Ok...sorry, lol....just had to share my excitment. :D :D :D
u make a good point, but i wish i could agree with u about the whole not selling them if they were bad thing...what about pine and cedar shavings? they still sell those, and they kill, yet people buy them every day :confused: triaminic used to carry a drug that killed hundreds of innocent children...:( ....ciggarettes! alchohol! i can name a million things that take peoples and animals lives every day, but people just dont see the light! :mad:Quote:
Originally posted by popcornbird
Kaytee? Killer? Whatever! My friend's cockatiel is 25 years old. He eats Kaytee, and has been eating Kaytee seeds forever. The vet says he's one of the healthiest birds he ever met. I don't think Kaytee would be such a well known brand sold everywhere, a food that all animals consume on daily bases if it was so bad.
im not trying to start anything, and personally, i dont belive that there is a really high chance of anything since there is such a small quantity, as suggested with ur friends bird...i wouldnt risk using kaytee though, because even if their isnt a high chance, there is still a chance.
luckies4me do u have any statistics on kaytee? i would now like to know just how high the risk is....
I just checked my birds' seed bag. It does not have ethoxyquin in the ingredients. Does that mean its alright? I don't know, but when I got my birds, everyone told me kaytee is the best brand. I always buy kaytee because its the one with the clearest ingredients in cockatiel food, and everyone told me its the best. Now I'm confused. :(
it shouldnt be in the seeds...its a drug, so it should only be in the yoggies...unless they have something else out there with that in it....eep now im gonna be paranoid lolQuote:
Originally posted by popcornbird
I just checked my birds' seed bag. It does not have ethoxyquin in the ingredients. Does that mean its alright? I don't know, but when I got my birds, everyone told me kaytee is the best brand. I always buy kaytee because its the one with the clearest ingredients in cockatiel food, and everyone told me its the best. Now I'm confused. :(