I wonder if we will be told beforehand when exactly it will be. From what I have heard it could be anytime between now and the next 30 days. Supposedly the hanging will be videotaped to prove that it actually occurred. :eek: :eek:
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I wonder if we will be told beforehand when exactly it will be. From what I have heard it could be anytime between now and the next 30 days. Supposedly the hanging will be videotaped to prove that it actually occurred. :eek: :eek:
Pam, I'm counting the days!!!
Willie
I heard about that - they want him hanged within 30 days. Talk about fast! I heard this morning that he will know 'well ahead of time' when the date will actually be. Well ahead of time may mean a couple of hours though.....
30 more days then an evil man will be gone forever, good riddance to him.
Yay!!!! I am counting down!!!! Good Riddance!!!!!:D
I'm hoping they just keep it quiet until the deed is done. Maybe that would keep some of his pals from trying to get him out and keep some of the violence down.
No tears will be shead from me for him that's for sure!
I had read awhile back that they were having a major problem finding someone to do the deed. They shouldn't give the date, only that it is done.
I'm not going to shed any tears, but I'm not going to rejoice either. Someone's death, to me, even if well deserved, is never a cause for celebration. It's a sad fact they did whatever they did to deserve it, and it should be carried out, but I'll never think it's a great thing.
I hope they keep it quiet. I know that's asking for alot, however the repercussions by the butt wipes who glorify him will only cause them to seek revenge on the United States. THAT has me more worried than his hanging.
Good riddance to the piece of trash.
I hope they keep it quiet. I know that's asking for a lot, however the repercussions by the butt wipes who glorify him will only cause them to seek revenge on the United States. THAT has me more worried than his departure. I only hope the U.S. beefs up their Homeland Security.
Good riddance to the piece of trash.
I don't care. I don't even want to know, to tell you the truth.
He is a mere distraction at this point. I want a solution to this war, beyond Saddam, and I want our soldiers to be safe, or at least, safer.
I wish this whole crazy mess could be over sooner than it will be. :(
Logan I am hoping that with a change in administrations that we can bring this to a close. I never thought I would say that but my heart keeps breaking every time I hear of another soldier dying. It is all so reminiscent to me of Viet Nam and the feeling in the country at that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Logan
I think that President Bush did what he felt was correct at the time and I don't think he had an evil or grandiose intentions. I think he was poorly advised by the people around him. At some point we need to suck it up and get out. :(
THIS ARTICLE WAS RECENTLY IN THE LA TIMES.
I'd like to know what you all think about this ????
Jonathan Chait: Bring back Saddam Hussein
Restoring the dictator to power may give Iraqis the jolt of authority they need. Have a better solution?
November 26, 2006
THE DEBATE about Iraq has moved past the question of whether it was a mistake (everybody knows it was) to the more depressing question of whether it is possible to avert total disaster. Every self-respecting foreign policy analyst has his own plan for Iraq. The trouble is that these tracts are inevitably unconvincing, except when they argue why all the other plans would fail. It's all terribly grim.
So allow me to propose the unthinkable: Maybe, just maybe, our best option is to restore Saddam Hussein to power.
Yes, I know. Hussein is a psychotic mass murderer. Under his rule, Iraqis were shot, tortured and lived in constant fear. Bringing the dictator back would sound cruel if it weren't for the fact that all those things are also happening now, probably on a wider scale.
At the outset of the war, I had no high hopes for Iraqi democracy, but I paid no attention to the possibility that the Iraqis would end up with a worse government than the one they had. It turns out, however, that there is something more awful than totalitarianism, and that is endless chaos and civil war.
Nobody seems to foresee the possibility of restoring order to Iraq. Here is the basic dilemma: The government is run by Shiites, and the security agencies have been overrun by militias and death squads. The government is strong enough to terrorize the Sunnis into rebellion but not strong enough to crush this rebellion.
Meanwhile, we have admirably directed our efforts into training a professional and nonsectarian Iraqi police force and encouraging reconciliation between Sunnis and Shiites. But we haven't succeeded. We may be strong enough to stop large-scale warfare or genocide, but we're not strong enough to stop pervasive chaos.
Hussein, however, has a proven record in that department. It may well be possible to reconstitute the Iraqi army and state bureaucracy we disbanded, and if so, that may be the only force capable of imposing order in Iraq.
Chaos and order each have a powerful self-sustaining logic. When people perceive a lack of order, they act in ways that further the disorder. If a Sunni believes that he is in danger of being killed by Shiites, he will throw his support to Sunni insurgents who he sees as the only force that can protect him. The Sunni insurgents, in turn, will scare Shiites into supporting their own anti-Sunni militias.
And it's not just Iraqis who act this way. You could find a smaller-scale version of this dynamic in an urban riot here in the United States. But when there's an expectation of social order, people will act in a civilized fashion.
Restoring the expectation of order in Iraq will take some kind of large-scale psychological shock. The Iraqi elections were expected to offer that shock, but they didn't. The return of Saddam Hussein — a man every Iraqi knows, and whom many of them fear — would do the trick.
The disadvantages of reinstalling Hussein are obvious, but consider some of the upside. He would not allow the country to be dominated by Iran, which is the United States' major regional enemy, a sponsor of terrorism and an instigator of warfare between Lebanon and Israel. Hussein was extremely difficult to deal with before the war, in large part because he apparently believed that he could defeat any U.S. invasion if it came to that. Now he knows he can't. And he'd probably be amenable because his alternative is death by hanging.
I know why restoring a brutal tyrant to power is a bad idea. Somebody explain to me why it's worse than all the others.
Wombat, though I have to disagree with you about Sadamm being turned loose, your post was certainly food for thought. It does point to the one thing we always said.....things are a lot worse now.
Hi Wombat,
Yes I agree as does my husband. As long as Saddam was in power there was some rule, now there is choaos and our sons and daughters are paying the price. Checks and balances are sometimes difficult to comprehand, but very necessary especially when dealing with the Middle East as they are so bloodthirsty. As a mom of two sons who were in the military, one still is, my child's life is not worth any part of this war. Bush is the biggest embrassment this county has ever had. Now that does not mean that ANY soldier who is there is not a hero, they all are. I am only saying they should not be sent to Iraq to fight this war. Let these people fight their own war and rule their country as they see fit. We should have kept our noses out of Iraq and the world would hate us less. Finally most Americans are in agreement, Bush in a moran. I still don't know how anyone could have voted for him.:confused: :confused:
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Originally Posted by Marigold2
Careful to first spell moron correctly before you call someone one, lest you seem like one yourself.
And we could use a verb in this sentence, as well.
I kinda doubt the world would hate us less. However, I do agree that we should get out and let them fight their own war.Quote:
Let these people fight their own war and rule their country as they see fit. We should have kept our noses out of Iraq and the world would hate us less.
I thought we were only over there to train them?? Boy did THAT ever get out of hand.
All I have to say is... BYE BYE SADDAM! :p
Yea, well, think about it, who would want to murder someone who probably has some dangerous friends out there. I wouldn't do it. It'll take a brave and vicious soul.Quote:
Originally Posted by Laura's Babies
It is an understandable problem.
I heard earlier tonight on the news that he could be executed as early as tomorrow and most likely before the new year. I also heard that there were many many people who had volunteered to *do the deed.* He is not lacking in the enemies department. The person would probably have to have their identity concealed in some way.
We have never been liked by many of the people of that region due to our support of Israel. The war hasn't helped but it didn't cause the problem.
Those people are NOT being any better then Saddam him self,
Killing him will not make things better, as a matter of fact it could just make things worse.
No I do NOT like that man at all one bit, but I don't think this is right.
I don't even care anymore. My brother went to Iraq and us going to war was a huge mistake. We had no purpose there and we should have just stayed out of all this mess. I cannot tell you the worry I went through when I heard something about bombings, battles, ect. on the news. I thought my brother was dead. Unless you've had someone go to war, you'll never understand what it feels like..
I don't know what to think. To me it's good and bad. I definitely wont shed any tears, though.
Same here!Quote:
Originally Posted by moosmom
But I'm not all "Rah! Rah! Let's hang Saddam!" like some here.. that just sounds evil to me, and doesn't make anyone sound like a nice person.
May God bless this infinitely troubled man's soul and take pity on him.
Couldn't agree more.Quote:
Originally Posted by BC_MoM
I really think the hanging won't make any difference, one way or another.
Yes he was a dictator & a tyrant & probably deserves his fate, but there are
many more tyrants in the world. Are American armed forces supposed to go
after them next? The whole Irag war was wrong from the beginning.osama
is alive & well in Afganistan & it was him & his followers that caused 9/11.
.....looks like the execution will be carried out within the next 24 hours.
Trouble is tho.....one goes down, another will spring up in his place.
Wom
Just heard on FOX News that he will be hanged between 9:30 and 10:00PM EST.
It's right now. 15 minutes ago they led him to the gallows. the news says it won't be on TV.
Sorta creepy, I doubt "Earth" has hanged anyone is years. I mean, it does seem a tad inhumane, even if he does deserve it. *gets slightly creeped out*
Yahoo.com reported Hussein was hanged today. Arab media confirmed it.
You can bet I'll be saying prayers there's no retaliation.
I've got one thing to say to Hussein...
BUH-BYE!!!
Oddly enough, I don't think he heard you.Quote:
Originally Posted by moosmom
:p
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Originally Posted by GreyhoundGirl
Yes try pointing your head down to the floor. ;) lol
Yup, the deed is done, no more Saddam. It was a good decision to get it over with quickly. Less chance of some kind of insurgency jail break where he simply dissappeared out of public sight. I know it sounds macabre, but I keep hearing the munchkin song from the Wizard of OZ in my head -- "Ding Dong, the witch is dead! Which old witch? The wicked witch!" with a few word changes to fit the occasion.
Ooh.. I see what you're saying! That is creepy.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreyhoundGirl
I still think it's creepy, too, that you're all celebrating about hanging (forget who it is for a moment, please).
He is gone. He is gone from this world, and is now in the Hands of God, his Creator, the One in Whose hands we will all return to after we leave this world. God is Just, and will deal with him, and everyone, in justice. We have no place to 'judge' anymore, now that he is gone. God will do the ultimate justice, and deal with him accordingly.
Enough said. This war has killed way too many innocent people for me to care about this. Killing Saddam isn't going to bring anyone's loved ones back. It isn't going to bring back the people he killed. It isn't going to bring back the thousands of innocent Iraqi children, or mothers, or fathers, that the US bombs killed. It isn't going to serve any purpose. I've never liked Saddam, but truly, no matter how much anyone hates him, this 'hanging' will serve absolutely no purpose, at all. I don't care. I hate the war more than I hate Saddam or anyone else, and as far as I'm concerned, the war is still going on, and innocent people are still being killed...each and every day. :( This will not make any difference.
popcornbird, I agree 101% with what you said. :)
"What other options were there left? He killed many, many people. A lot of people see it as a punishment. As in... what was there left to do? Should he have been left unpunished? What would have been more suitable?"
That seems to me what a large chunk of people who are pro-Saddam execution are saying. :)
Perhaps exile on a deserted isle would have been better. :)
"What other options were there left? He killed many, many people. A lot of people see it as a punishment."
This I have to agree with.
Even tho I am against the death penalty... the real question here is "What is the alternative???" Sure, we could lock him away forever and throw the key away, but really......... does the man deserve to live after committing such crimes against his own people ???? This man killed thousands of innocent men, women and children with chemicals such as cyanide and mustard gas......... what would you folk wish on someone like that who would do the same to your families ???
Saddam Hussein was a butcher, nothing more, and nothing less....he was judged fairly by a court of law, and sentenced according to the laws of his own country....laws that he himself was obviously immune to whilst in power.
Even tho I am a Christian (and I believe a good one), I believe that this man does not deserve to be among the living.
Sorry if I have offended anyone :o
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Originally Posted by wombat2u2004
You did not offend me at all. I agree completely. In this country we executed Timothy McVeigh. His crime again his fellow human beings was on a much smaller scale than Saddam's but the victims' souls of both of these men cry out for justice. No it won't bring anyone back, but it is the way that justice is served. Saddam's end came about through a civilized course of events. I don't think anyone is saying rest in peace because it is ludicrous to believe that he is now anywhere where he might be resting or peaceful. To quote one of the Iraqis that I saw on TV last night "he got what he deserved."