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LOL, If you disagree with Chrang, she deletes the thread but while the reglious posters agreed with her it stayed up.
This is why my forum doesn't allow posters to delete entire thread it prevents posters deleting threads for no reason other than people not agreeing with the original poster.
PS. I have a full copy of the thread if anyone is interested ;)
I just commented on that in your other one. I couldn't save it because I'm at work. That's absolutely ridiculous. Did you see my last comment there before it got deleted? I now can't exactly remember what I said.
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Originally posted by dukedogsmom
I just commented on that in your other one. I couldn't save it because I'm at work. That's absolutely ridiculous. Did you see my last comment there before it got deleted? I now can't exactly remember what I said.
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Instead of forcing those values on children, parents should be witnessing by not showing disgust and showing tolerance and compassion. Whomever feels it's such a horrible sin(everyone's definition of a horrible sin is different and yes, some justified, like murder) should be trying to understand why they feel that way and go from there. I just don't understand all this hostility. You'd think some of you would rather have a child that was a criminal than for them to like someone of the same sex. Meant to add that it's interesting that people start threads like this and then get upset when they don't get the answers they wanted to hear.
WHY was it deleted?? :confused:
I didn't see anyone getting nasty (towards eachother, atleast) just people showing different views on the subject.
BTW threads deleted by posters are still in the forum database we just can't see them.
I vote that Karen reinstates the thread but locks it so whilst no further comments can be added.... the excellent discussion can be views by those who would be interested in the links and info in it.
Chrang threw her dummy out of her pram when people who didn't agree with her posted on her nice anti-gay christain post ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Kfamr
WHY was it deleted?? :confused:
I didn't see anyone getting nasty (towards eachother, atleast) just people showing different views on the subject.
Oh, I wanted to add..... My marriage proposal still stands for Johanna.
Will you choose to be gay for today, with me Jo? You're a brilliant woman!:D
Why was it deleted??? :( Everyone was posting their opinions in a civil manner. Did I miss something?
I believe you'll find the answer in my last post. It wasn't going the way it was intended, I guess.
Sigh... I was in the middle of making a post, hit "submit reply" and the thread was deleted....
Thanks PIF for giving me the opportunity to share my thoughts...
You know, this debate is just one example of why I broke away from organized religion. I choose to keep God in my heart and live my life as a good Chistian who loves her neighbors. I used to be very active in my church. I went to mass every Sunday and prayer meetings on Wednesday. Somewhere along the line I noticed that we'd spend two hours praising God in a prayer meeting, then leave to go to a diner (all the youth group members went out afterwards)
Anyway, we just got done praising the Lord and learning about becoming better Christtians... only to stand on the church steps and discuss which diner NOT to go to. One would say "I can't go there - thats where the Jews hang out" Another would say "Well the other one is where the blacks hang out" and another would claim another diner is "where the fags go." PUHLEEEEZE! Did they miss the whole message of compassion and love the priest was giving them inside the church?
I would stand by my child if he/she decided to live their life as a gay person. I also stand by my determination to make sure they know thats what they want. I don't want them going off into the sunset with someone who isn't right for them, male or female. My oldest daughter was dating a guy who was into drugs. We knew he was a bad influence for her, and told her so, but we let her realize that for herself. Same would go if she dated a girl. She would have to decide for herself if that relationship was good for her or not. Either way, I'd be glad she was happy. Again, my husband would have a real tough time with it. Nothing I can say or do will change his mind, so I don't try to force my opinion on him just as he doesn't with me. Perhaps he would see things differently if one of his children did come to us and announce their sexual preferences. I don't know.
I have PM'd Karen asking her to un-delete the thread and lock it so the information and links once posted on are not lost.
http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthre...054#post981054
If any one else would like the thread back and locked, I suggest they do the same.
Here's what I don't understand about the whole religious argument against allowing gays and lesbians to live their lives the same way heterosexuals do. Scientific evidence shows that human sexual preference is a matter of physiology--not something you just wake up and decide to do one day. But the gay-sex-is-sin line of thought would deny gays and lesbians the basic right to live in accordance with the way they were born.
What this argument says is that a fairly substantial percentage of people should squelch their natural sexual desires FOR THEIR ENTIRE LIVES. We've seen how well that works for priests. And at least priests have a choice in the matter.
When religious texts are not viewed in the context of when they were written, they can be used to justify all manner of evil. The Bible has been waved in support of the Inquisition, the Salem witch hunts, slavery, and the Holocaust. Most so-called literalists pick and choose among what Biblical rules they'll follow and which ones they'll disregard.
We each have the right to follow our own religious beliefs in this country--or to follow no religion at all--thank Goddess. But all rights have their limits. The right to follow a belief that condemns gays and lesbians for living their lives should not be allowed to reach so far as to deny gays and lesbians the same legal right to form families that the rest of us enjoy. Unfortunately, that religous-based deprivation of rights is just what has happened in most of this country.
If homosexuality is even a sin, it should be waaaaaay down on the list. Killing, raping, stealing, being promiscuous...the list goes on. I just cannot fathom shunning someone because they LOVE a person. Rather or not my child, my neighbor, or my friend is gay is the least of my concerns. There are so many other things to worry about in life.
I won't even discuss rather or not it is a sin though. I am a Christian and I know what my Bible says. But in my heart, I cannot bring myself to agree. I guess it's one of those things I'll have to ask God about when my time comes.
My thoughts to ponder...... if being gay is "natural" in God's eyes, then why has the spread of AIDS afflicted us now? Why is this a disease of and for gays? I do agree with most of what Popcornbird posted, and we should all "hate the sin, love the sinner"! I feel like God has made it so that sinful things cause us distress, anguish, guilt, and suffering. This can also mean sinful actions .... therefore, being married to the opposite sex, if it was out of God's will, can also and DOES cause anguish, therefore ending in divorces, abuse, etc.
I have to also disagree that all gays / lesbians are born that way. Today, like most things, it's a "try it, you'll like it" society. I believe that many youngsters are pulled in to same sex relationships as a means to "fit in" with a certain crowd, just as they are pulled in to drug use, or any kind of promiscuity. I also think that some have just not been noticed enough by the opposite sex and out of insecurity, choose to become gay just to have an intimate relationship and acceptance of some kind. No, I would not teach my children to follow this path, because the Bible that I believe and trust in teaches against homosexuality, just as it does any form of adultery.
NASTY as usual, PIF!!!:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by PayItForward
Chrang threw her dummy out of her pram when people who didn't agree with her posted on her nice anti-gay christain post ;)