I have to say something about spaying and nuetering dogs

( i know i didn't spell that right)
To all of you who say it's awful to breed you should nueter or spay your dog you should here breeder's stories. My family are breeders and my mom and i delivered 4 beatiful bichon Frise puppies. WE love them all and they are going to good loving homes. I guess it's all right to fix your pet if your not going to want any puppies but if your considering it i recommend it. It's a great experience and if you find loving homes for all of them you'll definitly be glad you did it!

Not all breeding is bad....improper breeding with money involved is bad

yah but what about all the dogs in shelters what about them??

well most of the dogs in shelters were not properly breed or like the person before you said all they think about is the money
if you breed so other people can enjoy them and find great homes for them then they wont end up in a shelter

We/I don't have a problem with responsible breeders, but puppy mills and backyard breeders with deplorable conditions are what we are against as a rule. Not to say that some of us didn't get their animals from a backyard breeder but they readily admit they didn't know better then but that doesn't mean that they love their dogs less.
I am all for responsible breeding, but the mentality that you "have to breed your dog b/c it makes them a better dog" which is what I heard before I got Keegan spayed, is what makes me extremely angry.
Just remember that with in 5 years if 2 dogs are not spayed/neutered and all their offspring are not spayed/neutered they will produced 64,000 dogs.

Theres a ton of money involved if you are a responsible breeder. Responsible breeders get their dogs vet checked, hip checked, eye checked, heart checked, etc....and get the pups shots when they need them and before they go to their new homes. Spaying and Neutering prevents unwanted litters and is healthier for the dogs. It reduces risks of most cancers. I know it must be exciting seeing the pups born and watching the mother take care of them, but spaying and neutering is probaly the best thing you could ever do for your dog.

:mad: :mad: Of course it is appealing to have little puppies around the house. My Ruby girl is gorgeous, I'm sure she would make adorable puppies. But I would NEVER breed my dog! :mad: (she's spayed anyway). The homes all those cute little puppies go to could've been the homes some dogs in shelters could've went to. I support responsible breeders, I can understand if people want a certain breed because they know it would fit their lifestyle best, but I cannot support back-yard breeders or puppy mills. I, personally, could never buy from a breeder (even a responsible one) with the knowledge of all the homelss dogs that are in shelters. You should not breed your dog just because it would be nice to have puppies around :mad: And I like that fact shais_mom's mom stated, "Just remember that with in 5 years if 2 dogs are not spayed/neutered and all their offspring are not spayed/neutered they will produced 64,000 dogs."

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Originally posted by RubyMutt
:mad: :mad: Of course it is appealing to have little puppies around the house. My Ruby girl is gorgeous, I'm sure she would make adorable puppies. But I would NEVER breed my dog! :mad: (she's spayed anyway). The homes all those cute little puppies go to could've been the homes some dogs in shelters could've went to. I support responsible breeders, I can understand if people want a certain breed because they know it would fit their lifestyle best, but I cannot support back-yard breeders or puppy mills. I, personally, could never buy from a breeder (even a responsible one) with the knowledge of all the homelss dogs that are in shelters. You should not breed your dog just because it would be nice to have puppies around :mad: And I like that fact shais_mom's mom stated, "Just remember that with in 5 years if 2 dogs are not spayed/neutered and all their offspring are not spayed/neutered they will produced 64,000 dogs."

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Well said. Millions of animals are killed every year simply because there aren't enough home for them.

I believe there are very few truly responsible breeders.

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Originally posted by RubyMutt
:mad: :mad: Of course it is appealing to have little puppies around the house. My Ruby girl is gorgeous, I'm sure she would make adorable puppies. But I would NEVER breed my dog! :mad: (she's spayed anyway). The homes all those cute little puppies go to could've been the homes some dogs in shelters could've went to. I support responsible breeders, I can understand if people want a certain breed because they know it would fit their lifestyle best, but I cannot support back-yard breeders or puppy mills. I, personally, could never buy from a breeder (even a responsible one) with the knowledge of all the homelss dogs that are in shelters. You should not breed your dog just because it would be nice to have puppies around :mad: And I like that fact shais_mom's mom stated, "Just remember that with in 5 years if 2 dogs are not spayed/neutered and all their offspring are not spayed/neutered they will produced 64,000 dogs."

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Totally agree. I don't think anyone should breed their dog unless they are responsible breeders. They make a career out of this. It isn't a side hobby. :mad:

Another thing... How do you know that the homes you placed the pup in are going to be good enough. Not everyone can own a dog..thats why we end up having "bad name" breeds. How do you know that the people you give the pup to are going to keep it for ever...when they have a kid, when they move, get sick, and get married?? Its gonna be another shelter pup...but guess what it can't get adopted because its already too old and theres people such as you who breed their house pets so nobody looks for a "shelter" dog.

Most responsible breeders do it for the love of the breed. Once you factor in the cost of food/medical/time - there is actually little or no profit to it. If you are breeding the dog for a profit - I would ask the following question:

1. Have you had a vet check both dame and sire for any genetic problems? or behavioral disposition?

2. Do you throughly check out the adoptive parents? Do they have vet references? Do they have the means to spend at least $1000 a year for the care of the pet? And that is only for basics - if the pet has a health problem that figure could go much higher?

3. Do you take the pups to the vet to get checked before they are adopted? Do you get their first set of shots? If you have ever seen a pup die of parvo - it is heartbreaking.

4. So you provide literature on the breed for prospective parents? Health concerns, training literature, etc?

5. Do you require prospective adoptees to sign an adoption agreement that if it is necessary to ever rehome the dog - you will immediately take it back and rehome it or keep it if you can't rehome it?

6. Do you require prospective adoptees to spay/neuter the dog if it is not deemed show quality?


Responsible breeders require all or most of the above to prospective parents. Do you?

I happen to agree with most everyone on this board that it is appaling how many unwanted pets there are in this and other countries. I volunteer at an animal shelter and see way too many dogs abandoned or abused come in. They were all really cute puppies at one time. Until such a time as all dogs on this earth are treated with respect and love, you shouldn't breed your dog.

JMHO

Besides all the reasons, very powerful, given before for not breeding dogs, there is one just as serious: a female dog who is not spayed runs a very high risk of developing breast cancer. All vets will tell you that and I have the personal experience. I didn't spay my first Golden, not because I wanted to breed her but because I didn't want her to have surgery thinking that it would be too painful. She died of breast cancer, after surgery and chemo, at the age of nine. That was a long time ago, I learned my lesson. My next two dogs were spayed as soon as it was possible.

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Originally posted by cowlovr9797
well most of the dogs in shelters were not properly breed or like the person before you said all they think about is the money
if you breed so other people can enjoy them and find great homes for them then they wont end up in a shelter

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Ending up in a shelter has nothing to do with the way a dog was bred. There are plenty of wonderful dogs in shelters, purebred or mutt. One example is my old neighbor's bichon--they rescued Max at 6 years old, when his time was running out. He is an incredible dog, and was obviously bred properly.

Breeding because the puppies are cute is totally irresponsible.

I understand that you think these puppies are going to good loving homes and they will have such wonderful lives, but the truth is, you just never know.

I agree with everyone. I support responsible breeding because without responsible breeding, who's going to keep the standard alive? Although, I don't feel like I'll have the need to go to a breeder again unless I want a dog for conformation or just can't find the breed in shelters over a long period of time.

The fact is, no responsible breeder can make a living out of breeding dogs. And a responsible breeder wouldn't care because they should have been breeding out of love for the breed in the first place, not money. I just cringe everytime I hear about someone breeding because puppies are cute. Sure they are. But is it so cute when your dog is dying of breast cancer? Or has prostate problems?

I guess that's my little rant for today....:rolleyes:

Did you know???

Each day 10,000 humans are born in the US- and each day 70,000 pups& kitts are born. As long as these birth rates exist, there will never be enough homes for all the animals. As a result, millions of healthy, loving cats, dogs, kittens and puupies face early deaths as a form of animal control. Others are left to fend for themselves against cars, the elements, animals and cruel humans. What can you do to stop the suffering? Spay and neuter your pets!!

An unspayed female dog , her mate and all their puppis and thier puppies' puppies, if none are ever neutered or spayed, add up to:
1yr:16
2yrs:128
3yrs:512
4yrs: 2,048
5yrs: 12,288
6yrs: 67,000
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