ear infections

[pnance]

I'd appreciate any help on this. Nikka our chow/pointer mix has ears that almost constantly have "gunk" (can't think of another way to describe it) in them. We've taken her to the vet numerous times and been given otimax (sp??) which clears it up for a couple of weeks then we're back to the same problem. We clean them 2X a week and try to use peroxide to loosen everything up but never seem to get everything. It's pretty much a chronic problem she's always had. I was wondering if anyone knew of anything else that might help.

[lizbud]

My Vet uses the same antibiotic. After the infection clears up the
Vet recommends Malacetic Otic (ear cleanser) drops several times a week
to keep the ears cleaner.

[chocolatepuppy]

I use a mixture of half white vinegar and half rubbing alcohol on a baby wipe to clean my pups ears which was recommended by my vet after Mandy having chronic ear infections. The vet said never use it if they have an infection. It has worked wonders for Mandy, so far no infections. I'd check with my vet before trying anything though.

[pnance]

Thanks, she doesn't have an infection just a lot of stuff in the ear...so I'll try the viniger combo and see what that does. Seems like the only thing I haven't tried...


My Vet uses the same antibiotic. After the infection clears up the
Vet recommends Malacetic Otic (ear cleanser) drops several times a week
to keep the ears cleaner.

Can you get that at a pet store or is vet perscribed?

[lizbud]

I got Smokey's at the Vet's office, but I believe they do sell ear
cleansers at most pet stores.

[lv4dogs]

Have you asked your vet if there is a stronger antibiotic that she can be on or even a longer dose of the meds? Since it re-occurs so soon after it clears up it makes me wonder if the meds didn't get all of the infection out.

What food is she on? Raustyk had ear infection after ear infection (or at least she would if I was not so diligent at keeping them clean). She was on a good food but for other reasons as it was unkown that the food may have caused it I switched her to Nutro & no ear problems since. I used to have to clean her ears out every 2-3 days & she'd still get infections sometimes now she can go months without cleaning before they even start to get dirty.

How is her hair around her ears? If she has a lot of hair maybe try cutting some of it away to help the air get in her ears more. If she has a lot of hair that may help the infection grow.

[pnance]

Thanks lizbud I'll see what I find.

lv4dogs she gets fed Canidae. I'd thought about food before but we've had her for about 4 years now and doesn't matter what food she's on she gets them. She's short haired so no extra fur around the ears. In fact her ear shape is probably similar to Raustyk, maybe slightly smaller. We're at the point now the vet pretty much just refills our otimax(sp??) perscription w/o having her come in and lets us dose as needed. We've tried longer and shorter times and doesn't seem to help. I hadn't discussed another antibiotic though, I just assumed that was the strongest one. I'll give the vet a call, but do you have any suggestions on a stronger one?

[lv4dogs]

Thanks lizbud I'll see what I find.

lv4dogs she gets fed Canidae. I'd thought about food before but we've had her for about 4 years now and doesn't matter what food she's on she gets them. She's short haired so no extra fur around the ears. In fact her ear shape is probably similar to Raustyk, maybe slightly smaller. We're at the point now the vet pretty much just refills our otimax(sp??) perscription w/o having her come in and lets us dose as needed. We've tried longer and shorter times and doesn't seem to help. I hadn't discussed another antibiotic though, I just assumed that was the strongest one. I'll give the vet a call, but do you have any suggestions on a stronger one?

I wish I did, but after 5 years of not working at a vets office my memory has failed me some, not to mention I am sure times have changed & there are new products available. lol Have you tried giving her an oral antibiotic along with the ointment? Maybe she just needs a boost? Or even a different type of ear antibiotic, I know the vets I used to work at had a majic ear potion, it was tresiderm mixed with Conofite and it worked wonders on puzzeling ear problems. I can't remember the percentage of what to what but your vet should be able to find that out. If not I can call my old vet & ask them for you if your vet thinks it is worth a shot.

[.sarah]

Have you tried her on an allergy formula of food? Mandy and Nova had the same problems until we switched them to Natural Balance Sweet Potato and Fish.

Mometomax is slightly stronger than Otomax. That's the only one I know of. Animax I believe is the same strength, but I could be wrong. Mometomax is once daily vs. twice daily on Otomax.

[pnance]

lv4dogs and .sarah I'll mention those to the vet and see what she says. I'm guessing I'll have to take her back in for and exam since our old vet just moved back to Colorado, so I have to start fresh with one of the others in that office, but that's not a big deal since all the records are still there.

.sarah I've actually fed that food before, it gave 2 of mine really bad gas and their coats started to thin so I switched them. Mandy and Nova don't have any problems?

[dab_20]

Well I've got a cocker spaniel, and used to have another one, and they always get ear infections. You do pretty much what I do, so I can't be much help. I hope you get this figured out so your pup can feel better!

[.sarah]

.sarah I've actually fed that food before, it gave 2 of mine really bad gas and their coats started to thin so I switched them. Mandy and Nova don't have any problems?
No, they do wonderfully on it ... although I'm going to try switching them to raw food I think.

[labmomma]

One of my 2 rescued labs, Sam, is presently being treated for an ear infection. I'm irrigating and cleaning the ear canal one/day with Epi-Otic and wiping clean with a cotton cosmetic pad. Also am applying Ottomax twice/day and giving Keflex 3X and Prednisone 1X. This may appear to be overkill but he has to have surgery in 9 days for a congenital eye defect and they want everything cleared up by then. My vet said to use the Epi-Otic no more than 7 days in a row and once the infection is cleared up to routinely clean the ears. I plan on starting a maintenance program with my other Lab, Hokie. Good Luck ;)

[lv4dogs]

Hows she been? Did you go to the vets?

She's in my thoughts.

[pnance]

Thanks everyone, sorry I didn't follow up on this, but I knocked a glass of water onto my laptop, so my computer access is a bit sporadic while I get it fixed.

I couldn't get a vet appointment till after the New Year, but I did take her. It was a new vet in the office that I'd never seen before,(and definately won't see again if I can avoid it :mad: ). I mentioned a stronger antibiotic even adding an oral in, but she wasn't very receptive. She thought it was allergy, and prescribed otomax again and added a course of prednisone. I tried to discuss trying a different one since otomax was helping but wasn't clearing it up, but she just kind of nodded and said we'll just try it first and see since that's the normal way to treat. :o
Nikka seems to be doing better, but right now she's still getting both the preds and otomax, which ends next week so I'll see how it goes. Once I've got it knocked down I thought I'd try the vineger/rubbing alcohol combo and see how that goes. If I still have problems I'm definately going to one of the other vets and making sure they actually pay attention to the previous notes in the file and me rather than just going with the "normal" regime.

The fun part is now Hunter has an ear infection in one of his ears, so back to the vet, although I'm going to make sure it's a different one. I have an appointment for Friday, but when I used a Q-tip to try to clean some of the stuff out I pulled it back with some blood on it so I may try to just go to walk in when I get off work tonight. I keep joking he doesn't want to be left out of all the "attention" Nikka gets when she get her ears cleaned.... ;)

[lv4dogs]

Boy I don't blame you for seeing that vet again. Didn't she look at your records & see that you have already tried the "normal" way to treat? Even so she should of listened to you.

Hope Hunter is ok. You have to be really careful when you use q-tips in their ears. Good luck to him!

[solares412]

This is what one vet said to use for persistent ear infections:

Dennis W. Thomas, DVM - "As a pet owner, it is important to know that persistent or recurring ear infections in a dog commonly are manifestations of other concurring disease processes. Allergies and hypothyroidism are good examples. Systemic allergies often cause dermatitis and itching in the ear canal, which predispose self-trauma and subsequent ear infection. Hypothyroidism may manifest itself as increased thickness of the skin and continual release of exudate in the ear canal, which favors an environment for otitis externa. It is not wise to use cotton tip applicators in the ear canal. This can be quite painful to the dog. Also, I don't recommend using alcohol in a dog's ear. Alcohol will dry the ear, but if there is inflammation or small scratches in the canal, the alcohol will burn and cause tremendous pain and further inflammation. If you must use a product from the shelf at home, use white vinegar diluted 50:50 with water. "

Some people, after that, put in a couple of drops of Grapefruit Seed Extract (diluted in a little water) because it kills all sorts of bacteria, fungus and yeast and is safe for pets. Health food stores sell it.

[pnance]

Update - I took Hunter to the vet Friday (a different one in the office) and got much better answers. He believed his is allergy, which I'd started to expect since he was showing signs of conjectivitis as well. He gave me otimax, some antinflammatory drops and told me to give him an antihistimine for a few days and it should clear up. It's already helping so I'm guessing he'll be fine in a couple more days.

I'd also taken Nikka with me to recheck. Her ears were better but still not great. He didn't believe Nikka's was allergy. According to him the problem comes from having extremely narrow ear canals. Apparently if a dog gets chronic ear infections they get a buildup of calcium in the canal that could eventually close off the canal. It's made worse if the infections aren't treated (which considering the condition of her ears when we originally adopted her I'm guessing that was the case). By the time we got her a lot of the damage had been done. He gave me some nolvasan (sp??) cleaner and additional otamax, and did a ear flush on her there. He wants to recheck her in 2-3 wks to see how it's going. If it still hasn't cleared up apparently the next step is surgery to try to widen the ear canals, unfortunately it's $1100, (I guess I have to start the Nikka savings account). The other problem is he can't say if that will stop the infections or not. She may get the surgery and still have the same problems, I'm not sure it's worth it?? :confused:

[Logan]

We fight this with our Golden Retriever, Honey, constantly. In fact, she's due for a recheck on her ears now. She seems to get ear infections constantly and our vet usually treats them with Otomax and Cipro (antibiotic...very strong, very expensive :eek: ), and 20 mg Prednisone. Last time (two weeks ago), he did a deep flush on both ears, which was painful for Honey (and for me as I had to help hold her while he did it). I'm so in hopes that she is cleared up now. She seems better. He said it is very painful for them when they get so infected. Poor baby. I looked in her ears, with his scope and it was a bloody, infected mess in both ears.

We are using a solution that he provided, 4 times/week, now and flushing her ear canals out. It is a clear, blue liquid. It has a lot of alcohol in it to help keep the ears dry. The next step, if this continues, is to resection her ear canals, surgically. I know it would benefit her to have this surgery, but I'm certainly hoping to avoid it. The recuperation is horrible. We went through it with our Murphy (RB) on one ear, as she had tumors that blocked her ear canal, and it was tough. I think Honey would recuperate more quickly as she is younger and doesn't have the tumors, but still it is quite invasive.

Apparently, a dog's ear canal is quite complicated and curvy, thus making it harder for them to get air to dry out and when infection sets in, it is harder to clear up. The resectioning straightens it out and allows much more air flow, and less chance for infection.

Good luck. I know what a problem this can be!

Logan

[lv4dogs]

I'm glad to hear you seen a better vet & have more knowledge now. I hope it works!

The surgery option is a tough choice. It's probably one I would get done if needed.

Before the surgery though make sure they have tried stronger meds & antibiotics and even a deep/involved ear flush (they need to be under anesthesia for that).

[pnance]

The next step, if this continues, is to resection her ear canals, surgically. I know it would benefit her to have this surgery, but I'm certainly hoping to avoid it.

The resectioning straightens it out and allows much more air flow, and less chance for infection.Logan

Did your vet seem to think the surgery would stop the infections? Mine seemed to think that although she'd be better it wouldn't completely stop the problem.



Before the surgery though make sure they have tried stronger meds & antibiotics and even a deep/involved ear flush (they need to be under anesthesia for that).Luv4dogs I agree, I'm not in favor of putting her through painful surgery on both ears if I don't have to. I discussed stronger meds, but he didn't seem to think that would help :(. I didn't realize they could do a deeper flush under anesthesia...I'll discuss it with them before we start talking surgery. They did a flush on Friday (not under anesthesia) and the smell from her ears was horrible. My entire car smelled like her ears for a couple of days afterward and having her in the house required lots of room spray. :eek: I'm guessing that flush brought up a lot of stuff that was trapped down in there, so I'm hoping that helped. She does seem to be less sensative about them and it's only been a couple of days, so I at least have some hope. :)

Thanks again everyone for the help. :)

[lv4dogs]

I agree, I'm not in favor of putting her through painful surgery on both ears if I don't have to. I discussed stronger meds, but he didn't seem to think that would help :(. I didn't realize they could do a deeper flush under anesthesia...I'll discuss it with them before we start talking surgery. They did a flush on Friday (not under anesthesia) and the smell from her ears was horrible. My entire car smelled like her ears for a couple of days afterward and having her in the house required lots of room spray. :eek: I'm guessing that flush brought up a lot of stuff that was trapped down in there, so I'm hoping that helped. She does seem to be less sensative about them and it's only been a couple of days, so I at least have some hope. :)

Thanks again everyone for the help. :)

Maybe your dog is just SO well behaved they don't need anesthesia. But a few years ago when I worked at the vets we would so simple ear flushes during an exam but other dogs needed a deeper flush or were too wild to do it without anesthesia.
I would imagine there would be a more involved flush under anesthesia as the ones we did while they were under took a good 45 minutes or so. They were very intesnse & thorough. But technologoy has changes daily, maybe they have a new procedure that is easier yet equally as good?
It would be worth mentioning to your vet though if she continues to have problems.

Good luck!

[Logan]

Sorry I'm just responding. :o

Our vet said that it will cut down on the infections due to more airflow, but as we learned with Murphy, there still is a chance for infection, but it is much easier to treat. Murphy had tumors in her ear canal, which made it much more difficult to treat infection, so the surgery definitely helped her. We simply could not bear the thought of putting her through it on the other ear, even though it would have helped her. Murphy was pretty much immune to any type of pain medication, sedation, etc. Made it much harder to keep her calm and relaxed while she recuperated.

With the surgery, they go from having a very crooked, complicated ear canal, to having a "straight" ear canal, much more like those in humans. I hope Honey won't have to have it, but if it is necessary, we are ready to do it for her comfort. She has infections like she is in water, constantly, which she is not.

Hope this helped!

Logan

[pnance]

Thanks everyone. So far so good, she's quit shaking her head and rubbing on everything. I'm still getting "stuff" out with the flush, but much less and the smells no longer there and she still has about another 1 1/2 wks of treatment so I have some hope!!

[Jessika]

A little OT but on another forum someone said that... cropping ears helps with severe or chronic ear infections? Anyone know anything about that? :confused:

[lv4dogs]

A little OT but on another forum someone said that... cropping ears helps with severe or chronic ear infections? Anyone know anything about that? :confused:

That usually helps with ear problems that are associated with too much moisture. It helps air the canal out.

[Jessika]

That usually helps with ear problems that are associated with too much moisture. It helps air the canal out.

Ah ok, thanks! Makes sense now