Well...

[Roxyluvsme13]

I think we are going to get another pommie. My heart has an empty space :(. He/She could never replace Tink, but they can fill up my empty space. The puppies are brown, black, and white. Any name ideas?? I think if its a girl she will be Tigerlily (Lily for Short) and if its a boy he will be Little Bear Mushu. Name suggestions are still appreciated, as we have to add a middle name to Tigerlily. :)

[shais_mom]

I don't think this is a good idea. :(
It is way too soon for you..
Just MHO.

[buttercup132]

well isnt it kinda better to move on rather than mope around feeling depressed? any who i like those names lets hope its from a REAL breeder this time and make sure you have health garauntees for this pup

[BitsyNaceyDog]

That's great that you've decided to get another pom! How exciting!! I love both names, especially TigerLily. I don't know why, but the first thing that popped into my head was Tigerlily Jane, (or Lily Jane). Lily has been my favorite girls name for as long as I can remember. I've always liked the sound name "Lily Marie", but I don't think Tigerlily Marie has as nice of a ring as Tigerlily Jane. I know whatever name you pick will be perfect for your new baby.

[lv4dogs]

Are these the puppies you were talking about in your other thread?

If so and I remember correctly you are going to visit them this weekend?
If so and they won't be ready until Dec. 2nd then I imagine they are really young, like under 5 weeks of age?
If so and the breeder is allowing you to visit them then I can tell you right now that that breeder is most likely not reputable!!!!
A reputable breeder does not allow visitors until the pups are 5 weeks of age Sometimes maybe 4 weeks of age but no younger than that. Their immune systems are not strong at that young of an age therefore they are very susceptible to picking up illnesses.
Since you don't know for sure what was wrong with Tink I would advise you not to visit even if the breeder allows it. You don't want to take any chances.

[beeniesmom]

Is this the same place you got TINK from?
Are they giving you a replacement puppy since tinky died so young?
I hope you are doing ok. I am so soory about your little princess. :(

[luvofallhorses]

I don't think this is a good idea. :(
It is way too soon for you..
Just MHO.

I agree.

[pitc9]

Are these the puppies you were talking about in your other thread?

If so and I remember correctly you are going to visit them this weekend?
If so and they won't be ready until Dec. 2nd then I imagine they are really young, like under 5 weeks of age?
If so and the breeder is allowing you to visit them then I can tell you right now that that breeder is most likely not reputable!!!!
A reputable breeder does not allow visitors until the pups are 5 weeks of age Sometimes maybe 4 weeks of age but no younger than that. Their immune systems are not strong at that young of an age therefore they are very susceptible to picking up illnesses.
Since you don't know for sure what was wrong with Tink I would advise you not to visit even if the breeder allows it. You don't want to take any chances.

VERY well said!!!!

[Anita Cholaine]

Are you sure this a good idea?? Maybe you should wait a bit... If you finally decide to buy a new dog, be careful were you get it from......

[luvofallhorses]

have you thought about adopting? there are plenty of dogs in the shelter waiting for a home. I think it's safer to adopt..because they can give you a background from what they know....very well said, lv4dogs. I just still say it's too soon but that is just me.

[luv4mutts]

I don't know you or your situation with your last puppy. But I think you should follow your heart. I don't think anyone here should tell you if you are ready or not. If you know you can afford and are ready, then I say go for it.

[Anita Cholaine]

have you thought about adopting? there are plenty of dogs in the shelter waiting for a home. I think it's safer to adopt..because they can give you a background from what they know....very well said, lv4dogs. I just still say it's too soon but that is just me.

I agree with you, Krista. You don't need to buy another pomeranian, maybe you find in a shelter a dog waiting for you to be loved....

[shais_mom]

I don't know you or your situation with your last puppy. But I think you should follow your heart. I don't think anyone here should tell you if you are ready or not. If you know you can afford and are ready, then I say go for it.

we aren't telling her what to do or feel - she asked for opinions and we gave them....I am just giving her my opinion as I was in the same shoes myself once.
If she isn't going to get the puppy until Dec then I think its ok - I knew when my Shaianne died that I wanted another dog but didn't want to rush into it.
I ended up telling a friend of mine that I wanted a puppy of her's that hadn't even been born yet so I didn't get my Keegan until the middle of November and they were born the end of Sept - my Shaianne died Sept 13.
Did I have doubts? of course!!
Did I know what I was getting myself into? umm no
Would I change the way I did it? absolutely not - I wouldn't have my Golden soul mate if I did.
I'm sorry Briana that I am not up on the other threads but do you know what illness took Tink? Was it Parvo? I absolutely do not think you should bring another puppy in until you find that out b/c if you do and the 'bug' is still there this pup could meet the same fate.
AND
If this is the same breeder you got Tink from - you should absolutely not get a puppy from them - you said yourself she was a backyard breeder - make sure it isn't a teacup either - they have more problems I believe.
If you and your mom are set on another pom - try rescue or adopting one from the humane society.

:)

[LuvGold00]

A reputable breeder does not allow visitors until the pups are 5 weeks of age Sometimes maybe 4 weeks of age but no younger than that.

This is not always true, I let people come and visit my puppies anytime after 2 weeks of age. BUT, they must wash hands multiple times, and depending if they have dogs at home, they may not be able to touch them. I've also let some people visit after 1 week of age, but they can't touch the puppies, and must stay a safe distance away.

I hope that if you do get another Pom, that you have learned your lesson about back-yard breeders. Best of luck!

[Jessika]

have you thought about adopting? there are plenty of dogs in the shelter waiting for a home. I think it's safer to adopt..because they can give you a background from what they know....very well said, lv4dogs. I just still say it's too soon but that is just me.

Not only that but by adopting you're giving some dog a second chance at life!

What about looking into a Pom rescue group if you're set on getting a pom??

[.sarah]

I think saving a life by rescuing would be a great way to honor Tink! I'm sure there is a Pom rescue group near you.

[lv4dogs]

This is not always true, I let people come and visit my puppies anytime after 2 weeks of age. BUT, they must wash hands multiple times, and depending if they have dogs at home, they may not be able to touch them. I've also let some people visit after 1 week of age, but they can't touch the puppies, and must stay a safe distance away.

I hope that if you do get another Pom, that you have learned your lesson about back-yard breeders. Best of luck!


Yes, as I said
If so and the breeder is allowing you to visit them then I can tell you right now that that breeder is most likely not reputable!!!!
I did not say that the breeder is not reputable, I said most likely not reputable.
The *majority* of reputable breeders do not allow visitors until 4-5 weeks of age, not all.

And as you stated you take extra precautions.

[Roxyluvsme13]

The puppies just turned 3 weeks old, and we are going to see them on sunday. OF COURSE WE'RE NOT GETTING A PUPPY FROM THE BREEDER WE GOT TINK FROM!!!!! That would be stupid. The puppies arent allowed to go out to homes until they are eating well. This weekend we get to see the puppies, and the parents. All the rescues near me have no poms. The nearest pom rescue is like 5 hours away. Besides, I can tell if its a good breeder or bad. We are taking extra precautions. Tink did not have parvo. We definitely know she had something Congenital. We didnt get her checked or anything, but the vet said she had something congenital. So yeah. I think I am ready for a new puppy, and that Tink would want me to give my love to another puppy.

[pitc9]

I don't know you or your situation with your last puppy. But I think you should follow your heart. I don't think anyone here should tell you if you are ready or not. If you know you can afford and are ready, then I say go for it.

Take a few minuets and read up on the situation with her past Puppy Tink, then you would have a better understanding on where we all are coming from.
She bought Tink from a puppy mill and died at only a few months old of an unknown cause. We are afraid if she gets another puppy so soon that what evet Tink died from may be passed to the new puppy.
We all just want to help her make the right decision.
We are not telling her what to do, we are letting her know what our opinions are.

[k9krazee]

Besides, I can tell if its a good breeder or bad.

Then why didn't you find a reputable breeder in the first place instead of a BYB/mill?? :confused:

Please make sure they are really reputable..check out the link lv4dogs posted...and also take your time finding a breeder, the next 15 years or so of your life will be committed to this dog, make sure its what you really really want, you don't have to rush into things, you have the right to be extremely picky!

[jackie]

Take a few minuets and read up on the situation with her past Puppy Tink, then you would have a better understanding on where we all are coming from.
She bought Tink from a puppy mill and died at only a few months old of an unknown cause. We are afraid if she gets another puppy so soon that what evet Tink died from may be passed to the new puppy.
We all just want to help her make the right decision.
We are not telling her what to do, we are letting her know what our opinions are.

You took the words out of my mouth.

[Roxyluvsme13]

Because I didnt go get the puppy! My mom did...Shes the one that went and got it. I had no information whatsoever about that before. This time I will know.

[Jessika]

The puppies just turned 3 weeks old, and we are going to see them on sunday. OF COURSE WE'RE NOT GETTING A PUPPY FROM THE BREEDER WE GOT TINK FROM!!!!! That would be stupid. The puppies arent allowed to go out to homes until they are eating well. This weekend we get to see the puppies, and the parents. All the rescues near me have no poms. The nearest pom rescue is like 5 hours away. Besides, I can tell if its a good breeder or bad. We are taking extra precautions. Tink did not have parvo. We definitely know she had something Congenital. We didnt get her checked or anything, but the vet said she had something congenital. So yeah. I think I am ready for a new puppy, and that Tink would want me to give my love to another puppy.

But if you're willing to pay $500 to purchase a purebred puppy, I would think that driving 5 hours to rescue one isn't too outlandish a thought. I drove an eight hour round-trip to get Charlie, and I have NOT regretted it a minute since. :)

[Roxyluvsme13]

But if you're willing to pay $500 to purchase a purebred puppy, I would think that driving 5 hours to rescue one isn't too outlandish a thought. I drove an eight hour round-trip to get Charlie, and I have NOT regretted it a minute since. :)
I'm not the onedriving though. My mom is...Remember I'm only 13 :)

[Jessika]

I'm not the onedriving though. My mom is...Remember I'm only 13 :)

I'm speaking in generalities here. In theory it would actually be CHEAPER to make the trip to rescue rather than purchase purebred from a breeder. And since you're only 13 you can't possibly be held 100% responsible for what happens to a puppy, or the care for the puppy. Your mom will. Therefore I think your mom should really do her research into what would be the best for you and your mom rather than just put money into another purebred puppy again right away

[Roxyluvsme13]

We arent getting the puppy right away...It will be over a month. I'll just see how everything goes this weekend...

[.sarah]

Well said, Jessica. Your mom shouldn't be making you do the research. I'm glad that you are, but she needs to help you out.

[Roxyluvsme13]

Well said, Jessica. Your mom shouldn't be making you do the research. I'm glad that you are, but she needs to help you out.
My mom doesnt know how to use a computer...lol :p and I'm researching lots...and I know alot about dogs.

[lv4dogs]

Take a few minuets and read up on the situation with her past Puppy Tink, then you would have a better understanding on where we all are coming from.
She bought Tink from a puppy mill and died at only a few months old of an unknown cause. We are afraid if she gets another puppy so soon that what evet Tink died from may be passed to the new puppy.
We all just want to help her make the right decision.
We are not telling her what to do, we are letting her know what our opinions are.

Well said but don't forget the financial part either. They had NO MONEY to take Tink to the vet the last few days she was sick, right before she passed on to the bridge. Thats the main concern I have, is them being able to provide the new puppy with everything (s)he will need.
If they didn't have any money then, not even enough for an exam which is only like $20-30 how are they going to come up with all this money in just a month????? They don't even have a bank account.
Just what if this puppy gets sick too? Even puppies from excellent lines from reputable breeders can get sick! You never know.

[Roxyluvsme13]

Well said but don't forget the financial part either. They had NO MONEY to take Tink to the vet the last few days she was sick, right before she passed on to the bridge. Thats the main concern I have, is them being able to provide the new puppy with everything (s)he will need.
If they didn't have any money then, not even enough for an exam which is only like $20-30 how are they going to come up with all this money in just a month????? They don't even have a bank account.
Just what if this puppy gets sick too? Even puppies from excellent lines from reputable breeders can get sick! You never know.
The vet exam here is like $50 our vets arent cheap none of them

[.sarah]

The vet exam here is like $50 our vets arent cheap none of them

So you should have even more money set aside, just in case.

[lv4dogs]

The vet exam here is like $50 our vets arent cheap none of them


Well thats still only $20 more than a $30 exam. It's still not that much money, especially if your mom makes that much money!!!

But ok, if your mom couldn't afford a $50 vet visit how is she going to afford $500 for the puppy, $150-$200 for the first vet visit, another $150 the next month for a second vet visit, $100-$300 for initial supplies and have some set aside for emergancies in just one month???

[Roxyluvsme13]

Well thats still only $20 more than a $30 exam. It's still not that much money, especially if your mom makes that much money!!!

But ok, if your mom couldn't afford a $50 vet visit how is she going to afford $500 for the puppy, $150-$200 for the first vet visit, another $150 the next month for a second vet visit, $100-$300 for initial supplies and have some set aside for emergancies in just one month???
because she has about 4 paychecks in between this time, and if we like the pupppies we may even do a down payment this weekend

[.sarah]

because she has about 4 paychecks in between this time, and if we like the pupppies we may even do a down payment this weekend

Okay, I already know you'll be getting a puppy from here if you're going to look at them, because who can resist puppies?! But I just think that you REALLY need to think about this. It has only been two days, and I can't believe you're thinking about getting another puppy already. Well, I can believe you're thinking about it, but I can't believe you're *acting* on it. How long have you been researching Pom breeders? Two days isn't much time to find one you like and talk to the breeder. How many breeders did you look at? You should have looked at several before you decided.

[lv4dogs]

Okay, I already know you'll be getting a puppy from here if you're going to look at them, because who can resist puppies?! But I just think that you REALLY need to think about this. It has only been two days, and I can't believe you're thinking about getting another puppy already. Well, I can believe you're thinking about it, but I can't believe you're *acting* on it. How long have you been researching Pom breeders? Two days isn't much time to find one you like and talk to the breeder. How many breeders did you look at? You should have looked at several before you decided.


yeah most reputable breeders don't breed unless they have homes already lined up. I had to wait almost a year until my turn came to get a pup from my breeder.

[Roxyluvsme13]

We talked to one breeder, and we're just going to look at these puppies it doesnt mean we are going to buy one. I am REALLY lonely without Tink...thats why I'm thinking about it so soon.

[.sarah]

yeah most reputable breeders don't breed unless they have homes already lined up. I had to wait almost a year until my turn came to get a pup from my breeder.

Yep, exactly. Does this breeder have a website? If not, how did you find it?

[k9krazee]

We talked to one breeder, and we're just going to look at these puppies it doesnt mean we are going to buy one. I am REALLY lonely without Tink...thats why I'm thinking about it so soon.

Maybe instead of rushing to get another puppy you could work with Roxy and do a little bit more research in the meantime...just a suggestion...

[Roxyluvsme13]

We found them online...idk if they have a site I did a search for breeders in my area and found these and called them.

[Roxyluvsme13]

I have done tons of research already...

[buckner]

I don't think you should.

1) If you didn't have *any* money to take Tink to the vet right before she died, then how do you think you'll magically have money for this new puppy? About $1000 within the first month or so with the new puppy, and you didn't have $50 for a vet trip? That's absurd to think that you're financially stable enough to handle a new pup.

2) I also think it's too soon.

3) I don't believe you've done your research into this breeder. And if you can spot a good breeder, then why didn't you go with your mom last time? Wait, research ALL options, and go from there. Check petfinder, all of the humane societies around, etc. Nothing is written that you HAVE to have a pom. Go visit the shelters, I'm sure you'll find a dog that you fall in love with at first sight.

4) You're only 13, why is your mom letting this be up to you? It'll be her supporting this dog financially, so why shouldn't she do the research? Even if she doesn't know how to use a computer, does she know how to use a telephone? Have her call around to shelters. Does she know how to drive a car? Have her go to the shelters and TALK to the people personally. Have her drive herself to the library, does she not know how to open a book and read? There is so much more information about dogs, poms, and care in general in books.

5) You don't know what Tink died from, therefore you shouldn't bring a dog back into the house so soon. What if this new pup gets the same illness, all because it was Parvo or something even worse and you "didn't know"? You SAY you know it's not Parvo, but you don't know that for sure. You didn't take Tink in before she died, therefore, you DON'T know.

I just think you should wait and check out options. Look around, don't jump into things. You're better off with some sort of rescue. They *need* homes. They need the second chance. Dogs from a breeder don't need a home because they already have a home. If no one wants to adopt them, then the breeder is fully prepared to keep them. Simple as that. Dogs at rescues need that second chance a full-life.

[gemini9961]

Simply said on my part....I DO NOT think this is a good idea!

[Roxyluvsme13]

I don't think you should.

1) If you didn't have *any* money to take Tink to the vet right before she died, then how do you think you'll magically have money for this new puppy? About $1000 within the first month or so with the new puppy, and you didn't have $50 for a vet trip? That's absurd to think that you're financially stable enough to handle a new pup.

2) I also think it's too soon.

3) I don't believe you've done your research into this breeder. And if you can spot a good breeder, then why didn't you go with your mom last time? Wait, research ALL options, and go from there. Check petfinder, all of the humane societies around, etc. Nothing is written that you HAVE to have a pom. Go visit the shelters, I'm sure you'll find a dog that you fall in love with at first sight.

4) You're only 13, why is your mom letting this be up to you? It'll be her supporting this dog financially, so why shouldn't she do the research? Even if she doesn't know how to use a computer, does she know how to use a telephone? Have her call around to shelters. Does she know how to drive a car? Have her go to the shelters and TALK to the people personally. Have her drive herself to the library, does she not know how to open a book and read? There is so much more information about dogs, poms, and care in general in books.

5) You don't know what Tink died from, therefore you shouldn't bring a dog back into the house so soon. What if this new pup gets the same illness, all because it was Parvo or something even worse and you "didn't know"? You SAY you know it's not Parvo, but you don't know that for sure. You didn't take Tink in before she died, therefore, you DON'T know.

I just think you should wait and check out options. Look around, don't jump into things. You're better off with some sort of rescue. They *need* homes. They need the second chance. Dogs from a breeder don't need a home because they already have a home. If no one wants to adopt them, then the breeder is fully prepared to keep them. Simple as that. Dogs at rescues need that second chance a full-life.
TINK HAD A PARVO TESt....it WAS negative!! I have done my research, I am getting this puppy, I asked for opinions and I got my opinions. If the puppies are ok and the breeder is good we are getting the puppy. We will be prepared for this puppy...We know tink had something CONGENITAL...

[Jessika]

How do you know what she died from was indeed congenital and not something contagious if you did not being her to the vet beforehand?

[Roxyluvsme13]

How do you know what she died from was indeed congenital and not something contagious if you did not being her to the vet beforehand?
The vet already said she had something congenital.....

[Jessika]

The vet already said she had something congenital.....

That does not mean that's what she died from, though.

[CagneyDog]

TINK HAD A PARVO TESt....it WAS negative!! I have done my research, I am getting this puppy, I asked for opinions and I got my opinions. If the puppies are ok and the breeder is good we are getting the puppy. We will be prepared for this puppy...We know tink had something CONGENITAL...

I'm so confused. I must of missed a thread explaining this or something. How did she get a parvo test if she didn't go to the vet when she died. How do you know she had something congenital if she never went to the vet?

[.sarah]

I'm so confused. I must of missed a thread explaining this or something. How did she get a parvo test if she didn't go to the vet when she died. How do you know she had something congenital if she never went to the vet?
She said that she did go to the vet, but they couldn't afford to take her again before she died.

[Roxyluvsme13]

I'm so confused. I must of missed a thread explaining this or something. How did she get a parvo test if she didn't go to the vet when she died. How do you know she had something congenital if she never went to the vet?
SHe got a parvo test that one timse she was at the vet all day. She went to the vet 3 times while we had her. and the last time, the vet said she had hypoglocemia or something congenital with her liver. neither were contagious

[luv4mutts]

Ok, I didn't mean to start anything. Like I said I did not know her situation. But now that I do know the situation, I do not believe she should get another puppy right now.

[Lobodeb]

It sounds like the decision has already been made and all of your valid points are moot. :(

I, too, think it's too early and I'm really concerned about the financial stuff.

Just my 2 cents.

Edit to add:

Does Roxy have all of her vacines to make sure she's not exposed to whatever Tink had if it was contagious?

[Flatcoatluver]

If for sure you are getting this puppy, have you and your mom considered pet insurence??

[Uabassoon]

Maybe you could spend more time with Roxy, work on her and maybe convince your parents to let her be inside with you. It's sad that you didn't have enough money to take Tink to the vet, you have a dog that lives outside on a chain yet you still want another dog :(

[k9krazee]

Maybe you could spend more time with Roxy, work on her and maybe convince your parents to let her be inside with you. It's sad that you didn't have enough money to take Tink to the vet, you have a dog that lives outside on a chain yet you still want another dog :(

I agree...

[buttercup132]

u all have some points but now your just getting mad at her and its gonna become a big fight its her decision some people need to get another pet right away and some cant even bare to get another pet everyone is different she has said many times she now has the money and will be saving for a month and a half if she dosent have enough money then she dosent....just leave it at that or it will become a big fight she asked for opinions not b*tching wich is what some of your are doing thats all im gonna say

[Jessika]

u all have some points but now your just getting mad at her and its gonna become a big fight its her decision some people need to get another pet right away and some cant even bare to get another pet everyone is different she has said many times she now has the money and will be saving for a month and a half if she dosent have enough money then she dosent....just leave it at that or it will become a big fight she asked for opinions not b*tching wich is what some of your are doing thats all im gonna say

NOBODY here is "b*tching" at her at all, we all just want to make 100% sure that she knows what she's getting into and want to make sure that the situation will be best for her AND the puppy and she will NOT have to deal with another repeat of the Tink situation.

[Kfamr]

I am REALLY lonely without Tink...


http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a118/TinkLvr013/06a22909.jpg

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[animal_rescue]

Here's a reputable pom breeder in Tennessee

http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Gold/3849/

I would of showed you on msn but your not on.. :p

[buttercup132]

the site didnt work :(

[CagneyDog]

I know that you must be really lonely with out her but you still have Roxy :( I kind of get the impression that she was being on the back burner while you had Tink. I know its hard for you, and I know you miss Tink but if you are lonely go take Roxy for a walk, play with etc!

[.sarah]

Maybe you could spend more time with Roxy, work on her and maybe convince your parents to let her be inside with you. It's sad that you didn't have enough money to take Tink to the vet, you have a dog that lives outside on a chain yet you still want another dog :(
WHAT?! She lives on a chain?! I didn't know that! You definetly don't need another dog if the one you have now has to live outside ... you need to pay more attention to her.

[.sarah]

u all have some points but now your just getting mad at her and its gonna become a big fight its her decision some people need to get another pet right away and some cant even bare to get another pet everyone is different she has said many times she now has the money and will be saving for a month and a half if she dosent have enough money then she dosent....just leave it at that or it will become a big fight she asked for opinions not b*tching wich is what some of your are doing thats all im gonna say
Not to be rude, but she is only 13 and she probably doesn't fully know/understand the financial situation. I'm sure her mom will get her another dog because she says she is lonely, and she will most likely do *anything* to get another dog, even if they don't have the money. Maybe I'm wrong, but it's hard to believe everything she says about money because she is only 13. I know when I was 13 I didn't fully understand everything about bills, and if my mom said we could get another dog I'd lie about anything to get it and have everyone on my side.

And don't bring up the "age doesn't matter" crap, because when it comes to the life of an animal a 13 year old shouldn't be fully responsible. I was extremely mature at 13 but I STILL shouldn't have been responsible for an animal's life, so even if this girl is really smart I think her mom needs to play a bigger role in this and not have her pick out the breeder. Her mom needs to do some research.

[Chica]

No matter what is decided, it is your mom and you who make the decission. ;) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v415/chica1/CHICA2/dog.gifIf it is meant to be then it will happen. Good luck on the new baby!!!!!! ;)

[PJ's Mom]

I don't think you should.

I agree.

You say you're lonely without Tink, then spend time with Roxy and then neither one of you will be lonely. :)

[IRescue452]

Why would anybody have a dog they dump outside on a chain and then have one that they take inside and coddle. You should train Roxy and give her proper care and take her inside before getting another dog. Why don't you give Roxy to another family, it sounds like you don't want her, you just want this new puppy. Puppies grow up too.

[bckrazy]

:( meh. I really feel that you should take some time to grieve for your poor puppy, and improve the life of your LIVING dog! Roxy is still living outside, is she not? Maybe use the extra effort and time you have to give Roxy extra special care, keep the house clean so that she can come inside, and spend lots of time exercising and training her. Why do you need a new puppy when the life of the dog you have now should be improved, you've admitted that yourself!

The fact that you jump from your puppy dying one day to thinking of names for your new puppy the next day really gives me a bad feeling. I have high doubts that the breeder you are buying your new puppy from is reputable... if they're calling them "teacup Poms", you bet they're a bad breeder! You really should learn from the unnecessary death of Tink, that it isn't WORTH the pain and trauma to the dog and your family to buy for a cheaper price from a crappy breeder/mill/broker.

[.sarah]

The fact that you jump from your puppy dying one day to thinking of names for your new puppy the next day really gives me a bad feeling.
That is what has really been bothering me about this whole thing. When Buttons died it took me three months before I could get Nova. Now, I had him for 14 years, but even if I had only had him for three weeks I think it would take me more than 24 hours to want another dog!

[Jadapit]

Very WELL said bckrazy!!!

[sammy101]

Very WELL said bckrazy!!!
i agree!
When my Sheena passed away,we didnt even think of getting another dog until 10 months after(which was Lucy).
i think you.should take the time and money into Roxy for now.But if you really think your ready,then do it.

[Dot]

I don't post much, but following this whole tragic episode has grieved me. To read about poor little Tink bleeding rectally and not being taken to the vet because "they couldn't afford it" seemed terribly irresponsible. Of course, only a day or two later she was dead. No surprise there; such a tiny and young dog should have been RUSHED to the vet at the first sign of blood.

The sad truth is that any 13 year old girl would love to have a cute, tiny dog because it is a living toy. That isn't a valid reason for the parent to buy it for the child -- it is the worst possible reason. When the "toy" gets sick and dies, just buy another one. :( How awfully sad!

All the while, the bigger, adult dog spends its life at the end of a chain, alone and wishing for some companionship. What are the odds that it will receive vet care if it gets sick; I think we know the answer to that question.

[.sarah]

And her mother isn't doing a very good job of teaching this child that animals are to be treated with respect.

If you can't love and take care of the animal, why have a pet?

[finn's mom]

I wasn't going to say anything, and, I won't say anything after this. But, I will say that it's not a bad thing for someone to get another dog immediately after losing one. I've known people who have done just that, and, it doesn't mean they love their pet any less. I know it took me less than a year to get a new puppy, and, had I had the means sooner, I may have gotten a dog within a month. It's not only different for every single person and every single pet, it's different for every single situation.

That being said, I have been partially keeping up with this whole debacle, and, I won't say too much more about it. But, if this "discussion" is going to go forward, I think it needs to stay more focused on the fact that there is an adult dog that is not getting the attention it needs. It needs to stay more focused on the fact that this family couldn't afford to take their puppy to the vet when she was sick. It needs to stay more focused on the fact that this may not be an ideal situation to bring another animal into.

I don't know, I just don't think it's fair to criticize her for wanting another puppy, based on the time frame, anyway. I agree that she probably wants it for the wrong reasons, and, I agree that she probably shouldn't be allowed to have another dog until the one she has is taken better care of. I can totally understand arguing all the points of interest here...but, if everything else were in place and the situation was different...I don't see how wanting another puppy immediately after is such a bad thing.

And, again...please don't misunderstand me. I don't think a new puppy is a good idea for this child and her family, but, for many other reasons besides it being too soon to want another dog. Everyone is different. Just because you can't see yourself getting another dog so soon after the death of your pet, doesn't mean it isn't exactly what someone else might need. AGAIN, I do disagree with a new dog being brought into this home. The whole situation seems off...sad, and, upsetting, to say the very least.

EDITED: There are many reasons for this family not to have another puppy... I just don't think the fact that it's so soon after Tink's passing should be thrown at her...on it's own, that wouldn't be such a terrible thing. Bah. I know what I'm trying to say...I think what I am trying to convey is to keep this as factual as possible, and, maybe a little less emotional. The point may get across a little better, I don't know. I just don't think, with all the other crappy things going on, that that needs to be thrown into it. Sorry, I'm ill and rambling. :)

[Pembroke_Corgi]

Roxyluvsme13,

I agree with the others that now might not be the right time for another dog. I'm very sorry that you lost your dog Tink- I think everyone here knows what it's like to lose a beloved pet/family member; I lost my 17 year-old cat this year whom I've had since I was a child.
I think what everyone is saying is not that it's not right to want another dog but that you need to consider this new dog's welfare more than you are considering your own feelings. As other people have said, new puppies require lots of time and money, and rushing out to buy a new puppy without thinking about it's welfare is a mistake. :( Your intentions are probably good, but think about your other pets' lives and ask yourself if you are doing all you can for them, and if you can really fully care for another.

[shais_mom]

I know that you must be really lonely with out her but you still have Roxy :( I kind of get the impression that she was being on the back burner while you had Tink. I know its hard for you, and I know you miss Tink but if you are lonely go take Roxy for a walk, play with etc!
THANK YOU!

everyone has WONDERFUL points but I don't think she is going to listen to us again.....
**sigh**

Edited to add:
there is nothing I can say that someone has not already said in one way shape or form. I am just glad someone brought up the financial aspect b/c I think that I a big factor - what happens in 4 months when this pup gets sick and her mom can't afford it either b/c she just shelled out $$$$ to BUY the pup.

[DogLover9501]

Maybe you could spend more time with Roxy, work on her and maybe convince your parents to let her be inside with you. It's sad that you didn't have enough money to take Tink to the vet, you have a dog that lives outside on a chain yet you still want another dog :(

Ditto :(

[wolf_Q]

I try to stay out of threads like this but I just wanted to say that I agree. Wanting another dog so soon is not what bothers me, it's the fact that poor Roxy still lives outside on a chain and she doesn't seem to care about improving that, and not taking Tink to the vet when she was obviously very ill.

[Kirbys Mom]

well what can you do when you dont have to money? i dont think if you dont have to money to take tink to the vet then you dont have the money to get another dog...yes roxy should be able to live in the house and if not given to some one that can give her that.

[areias]

I'm not getting too much into this. I highly suggest NOT getting another dog until your mom is finacially stable, and poor Roxy...I've felt sorry for her since I heard she was on the chain outside. But if you're going to be stubborn, here:
Look at this face! (http://www.petfinder.org/pet.cgi?action=2&pet=1491836&adTarget=&SessionID=4369b04657dc1712-app4&display=&preview=1&row=0&tmpl=&stat=)
He's housebroken. Crate trained. And dosen't have many, if any, health problems. Whoo hoo!

And look...a pom puppy! For adoption.
Clickity (http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=5201799)
I'm adorable... (http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=4740230)
And look at this. A purebred pom, pregnant by another pure pom, having puppies that will be ready after the first of the year...for adoption, at a rescue!
"Mercedes" (http://www.petfinder.com/pet.cgi?action=2&pet=5201414&adTarget=&SessionID=4369b3395e4507e8-app4&display=&preview=1&row=0&tmpl=&stat=)

If you -have- to have another dog, please rescue. I plan on getting a papillon within a year or two, and I will be rescuing. You don't need to get one from a breeder, especially if you're not showing.

[dogzr#1]

Although I am still fairly young myself I still do know alot.

First, if you had a financial problem during the month and couldn't pay for
Tink's vet visit then I think you should wait just a little longer to save more money. What if that problem happens again and you don't have money? I think you should save for a little longer and have like $700 on the side for emergency vet care or if you are in a financial bind.

Second, are you emotionally ready for a new puppy? I now that when a puppy dies you want to get another one right away but although it makes you feel better, it may not be the best thing. You may look at the puppy and start crying because s/he will remind you of Tink.

Thirdly, do just a little more research on this breeder. I am sure you know how to tell a BYB from a reputable breeder but just to be on the safe side do more research. Look at your local Humane Society or Pom Rescue groups. We drove 8 hours to get Astra and 4 to get Molly.

Fourthly, Maybe you should train Roxy more, and give her proper house etiquette. You should take her for walks, or play with her. Maybe you can ask your mom to take you and Roxy to the park. What I am trying to say is: Why get another dog when one that is sweet and gentle and kind is living outside on a chain?

Well with that said, I hope you have done all this things and have reconisdered getting a puppy so soon.
-Monica

[slleipnir]

I honestly don't think anyone is going to change her mind in this situation. If she wants a puppy, she is going to get it no matter what you say...

I don't see why your other dog needs to live outside though...? Did Tink live outside? Then why is this dog...

[Dot]

The thing that breaks my heart is knowing that poor Tink was left to die without benefit of any medical attention. If she truly had something congenital that was incurable, it was nothing short of cruelty to allow her to die at home in pain rather than spend the $ to have the vet provide her a gentle death.

The mother obviously considered it a waste to spend any more money on a dog that she thought was going to die soon anyway, when they could save that money toward a new, hopefully more healthy dog.

This family appears to have serious financial problems, and they (and their pets) would benefit from counseling to get their priorities straight. They have bought one expensive puppy of a fragile breed, allowed it to die for lack of funds, and now are planning to buy yet ANOTHER equally expensive, fragile puppy just a month later! I have seen Roxy's photos, taken with a photo-cellphone! How does a family short of funds justify a photo-phone? For a 13-year old? Please!!!

Roxyluvsme, how much do you love Roxy?

[Jessika]

The thing that breaks my heart is knowing that poor Tink was left to die without benefit of any medical attention. If she truly had something congenital that was incurable, it was nothing short of cruelty to allow her to die at home in pain rather than spend the $ to have the vet provide her a gentle death.

And don't most shelters offer this service free of cost? I know a few here do!

In all reality I don't think its fair to you, roxyluvsme, for your mother putting so much responsibility upon you and hardly taking any herself. If anything she is to blame here, not you. So don't think any of us are against you. It's just appalling to me that a mother leaves all of this responsibility to her 13 year old daughter to make choices concerning another living creature's life!

[CathyBogart]

This disgusts me. You really need to look at the well-being of the dog you DO have before you start looking at adding another to your household.

[Cataholic]

This is going the SAME way it does with Roxylovesme. She isn't into listening, she surely isn't into learning, and the problems go FAR beyond Tink and Roxy living on a chain. Soon, the story will begin changing (though, it really already has), people will start crying, "stop being so mean to her, she is just a child" or "it is her MOTHER, not her"..blah, blah.

I say we ALL divert our attention to someone that we have a remote chance of helping than to some little kid that won't listen anyhow. It is sad. Very sad. But, it is a worthless effort on our part.

I hope, in ten years time when you finally grow the heck up (and, who knows, maybe your mother will obtain the maturity and financial responsibility necessary then, too, for both children AND animals) that you remember your part in Tink's death. :(

[jackie]

This is going the SAME way it does with Roxylovesme. She isn't into listening, she surely isn't into learning, and the problems go FAR beyond Tink and Roxy living on a chain. Soon, the story will begin changing (though, it really already has), people will start crying, "stop being so mean to her, she is just a child" or "it is her MOTHER, not her"..blah, blah.

I say we ALL divert our attention to someone that we have a remote chance of helping than to some little kid that won't listen anyhow. It is sad. Very sad. But, it is a worthless effort on our part.

I hope, in ten years time when you finally grow the heck up (and, who knows, maybe your mother will obtain the maturity and financial responsibility necessary then, too, for both children AND animals) that you remember your part in Tink's death. :(

I agree 100% with everything you just said.

I am staying out of this thread from now on. I hope it falls off the board soon. There is nothing more to say, don't bother to waste your breath, Roxylovesme wont listen anyways. :(

[Dot]

I say we ALL divert our attention to someone that we have a remote chance of helping than to some little kid that won't listen anyhow. It is sad. Very sad. But, it is a worthless effort on our part.
:(

Yes, we are just preaching to the choir. In all likelihood, shopping for the new puppy had begun even before little Tink drew her last breath. :(

[senorita02]

Did you mean that Tink had Hypoglycemia?? Because that is just low blood sugar, and you need to eat regularly in order to prevent a drop in blood sugar. That isnt what kills you unless you have not eaten and go into a hypoglycemic Coma which isnt what happened, were you saying your vet said that is what she died from?

[areias]

Having a hypoglycemic attack and being hypoglycemic is two different things. Which is it? It is easily combatible with Nutri-Cal...there's no reason the puppy should have died if it was hypoglycemic.

I'm still confused on why it died. What did it have?

[Jessika]

She did not bring the dog to the vet before OR after it died to know what it died from. She claims the dog died because she had a congenital disease, but she honestly does not know for 100% sure because they did not bring her to the vet before or after her death.

[CagneyDog]

This whole situation is really sad :(

[buttercup132]

all you guys are sayin that just cuz roxy lives outside that she gets no attention and stuff,...well umm glaciers dogs live outside and they seem pritty darn happy to me and i dont see a single one of you complaining about her dogs bein outside all the time....lots of people do it

[k9krazee]

all you guys are sayin that just cuz roxy lives outside that she gets no attention and stuff,...well umm glaciers dogs live outside and they seem pritty darn happy to me and i dont see a single one of you complaining about her dogs bein outside all the time....lots of people do it

Don't bring Glacier into this, she was drug into the last thread, it is a different situation...

[buttercup132]

how do u figure?

[k9krazee]

Go back and read the last thread about Roxy, it was explained there. I don't think its fair to bring her or her dogs into this, you are getting off subject to get the focus off what this thread was originally about.

[Lobodeb]

all you guys are sayin that just cuz roxy lives outside that she gets no attention and stuff,...well umm glaciers dogs live outside and they seem pritty darn happy to me and i dont see a single one of you complaining about her dogs bein outside all the time....lots of people do it

I think you're comparing apples and oranges, here. Glacier's dogs are obviously well trained, exercised and well treated and have tons of land. Their breed also allows for them to be outside. Roxy is chained outside. I honestly can't say whether Roxy is mistreated, but it does seem as if she doesn't get the attention that she needs.

Glacier's dogs aren't the issue here. Back to Kari's (finn's mom's) point, the issue is Roxy being chained outside, a puppy left to die, and now a new puppy being brought into the picture.

[CagneyDog]

Glacier's dogs do come inside occasionaly. Did you not see the pictures of the dogs all on her bed? They all have dog houses and they get lots of exercise.

Her situation is completely 100% different.

Roxy is hardly getting walked. She said that she was too lonely without tink and that makes me think that she is not spending much time with Roxy. I always felt that poor Roxy was being ignored when Tink came alone.


She said she had no new pictures of Roxy becuase something happened [she lost something?] But she posted tink pictures before she died

[luvofallhorses]

I am DARN sure she doesn't want to be pulled into this. NOBODY likes to be dragged into a thread when it's NOT about them. JMHO.

[lv4dogs]

all you guys are sayin that just cuz roxy lives outside that she gets no attention and stuff,...well umm glaciers dogs live outside and they seem pritty darn happy to me and i dont see a single one of you complaining about her dogs bein outside all the time....lots of people do it


Yup I did mentioned Glacier in the last thread. Her dogs DO COME INSIDE! Please do not bring her into this, we already talked about it, it was all resolved. Please let it be. Thanks you.

[buttercup132]

have you guys even talked to bri? no not most of you , you just ASSUME that i know for a fact that she has alot of land and that she dose get attention , how do you know roxy isnt well trained? how do you know that she isnt getting attention and dont pull the whole shes left out there to die cuz we all knwo that a whole load of crap!

[Jessika]

have you guys even talked to bri? no not most of you , you just ASSUME that i know for a fact that she has alot of land and that she dose get attention , how do you know roxy isnt well trained? how do you know that she isnt getting attention and dont pull the whole shes left out there to die cuz we all knwo that a whole load of crap!

Because she said so herself that her mom doesn't let Roxy in the house beacuse she isn't house trained.

[Roxyluvsme13]

...Ok...first of all I can't even talk about another dog, and then somebody brings Roxy into the whole situation. This thread was to ask opinions on names, and stuff...Not about Roxy. I think that I will be leaving PT for a while...Tink Was not left to die! STOP FREAKING SAYING THAT! We did everything we could for her, and we didnt even think about another puppy till 2 days after she died. Don't say I dont listen either. YES I DO. Roxy is not left to die! She is quite well trained, she gets fed alot, shes on a LONG chain, not a short one...anyways Like I said I think I will be leaving PT for a while. Roxy is loved very much, and Tink was, too...

[CagneyDog]

I have talked to her on chat and she said that Roxy was TIED on her the side of her house. She doesn’t have a lot of land, I remember saying that the house/yard wasn’t even hers. And what would it mater if she had a lot of land, she is tied up! She isn’t trained, she has never been in the house and has hardly gone for walks. She may not be legt out there to die but she certainly isn’t getting the life she deserves.

[Roxyluvsme13]

Because she said so herself that her mom doesn't let Roxy in the house beacuse she isn't house trained.
My mom is never going to let Roxy in the house, because my mom always makes up an excuse, like think about me, she "smells" or she has fleas, or yadda yadda yadda...I even offered to give Roxy a Flea bath...

[PrinceBrewJulia]

you seemed perfectly fine with Roxy even before you had Tink. Why is this any different? Just go back to the old way your home used to be, about Roxy. You also have 2 other pets. Like everyone said, train Roxy, she doesn't deserve to just sit outside on a chain, the pictures I ever see are the ones of her outside, none playing, exercising, etc. Please listen to what everyone else is saying.

[Roxyluvsme13]

I have talked to her on chat and she said that Roxy was TIED on her the side of her house. She doesn’t have a lot of land, I remember saying that the house/yard wasn’t even hers. And what would it mater if she had a lot of land, she is tied up! She isn’t trained, she has never been in the house and has hardly gone for walks. She may not be legt out there to die but she certainly isn’t getting the life she deserves.
In june-july, I took Roxy on a walk every day...and...Shes not TIED shes connected to a pole, on a 15 foot chain...

[Jessika]

My mom is never going to let Roxy in the house, because my mom always makes up an excuse, like think about me, she "smells" or she has fleas, or yadda yadda yadda...I even offered to give Roxy a Flea bath...

And yet your mom wants a puppy??? Your mom needs to get her priorities in check. She really, really does.

[k9krazee]

...Ok...first of all I can't even talk about another dog, and then somebody brings Roxy into the whole situation. This thread was to ask opinions on names, and stuff...Not about Roxy. I think that I will be leaving PT for a while...Tink Was not left to die! STOP FREAKING SAYING THAT! We did everything we could for her, and we didnt even think about another puppy till 2 days after she died. Don't say I dont listen either. YES I DO. Roxy is not left to die! She is quite well trained, she gets fed alot, shes on a LONG chain, not a short one...anyways Like I said I think I will be leaving PT for a while. Roxy is loved very much, and Tink was, too...

This is what they mean, instead of listening to all the valid points people have posted here and try to take their advice you are going to run from the sitution. We know that no matter what is said on here you are still going to do what you want to do, oh and nobody said Roxy is being left to die...I think you and your mom should sit down and carefully read what each person had to say in this thread and maybe just maybe you could see it from our point of view or at least see where everyone is coming from...

[CagneyDog]

If you had done everything she would have been to a vet when she was so sick. Loving her wasn’t going to heal her.

[Jessika]

In june-july, I took Roxy on a walk every day...and...Shes not TIED shes connected to a pole, on a 15 foot chain...

15 feet isn't that long, though. My dogs have a 20ft tie-out and that's too short, IMO

edited to add: and 15 feet is just fine for your pup to be on for 15 minutes at a time maybe while they're outside going potty if you don't have a fenced in yard, but 15 feet is NOT suitable for a dog's living area to be confined to.

[Lobodeb]

How can you say you "did everything you could" for Tink when you didn't even take her to the vet before she died? That is not doing everything you can!

[CagneyDog]

In june-july, I took Roxy on a walk every day...and...Shes not TIED shes connected to a pole, on a 15 foot chain...


aka she is tied to a pole :rolleyes:

Who cares about June- July were talking about NOW. Most dogs get a walk at least twice a day and those are dogs that aren't chained outside so Roxy deserves a lot more exercise. So in August, September, and Oct you didn';t walk her!?

[.sarah]

we didnt even think about another puppy till 2 days after she died
Okay, there's no rule that says how long you need to wait after a dog dies to get another, but this is a lie. You even posted this exact thread the day after she died.

And we bring Roxy into the situation because her life needs improvement. HOW can you even THINK about a puppy when you have a wonderful girl tied up outside? Whether or not she comes inside I'm sure she's in need of attention, grooming, loving, treats, training, etc. And why is she tied up? Can't your mom buy her a run to have so she can not have a chain attatched to her and risking getting caught on something? Does she even have a dog house? A toy or two? An unlimited supply of water?

[Roxyluvsme13]

This is what they mean, instead of listening to all the valid points people have posted here and try to take their advice you are going to run from the sitution. We know that no matter what is said on here you are still going to do what you want to do, oh and nobody said Roxy is being left to die...I think you and your mom should sit down and carefully read what each person had to say in this thread and maybe just maybe you could see it from our point of view or at least see where everyone is coming from...
I am listening to the points everyone has to say. I'm not trying to run away either, I'm just tired of everybody keeping bringing up Roxy. This thread has nothing to do with Roxy!

[Jessika]

I am listening to the points everyone has to say. I'm not trying to run away either, I'm just tired of everybody keeping bringing up Roxy. This thread has nothing to do with Roxy!

If you fully understood our points, you would see that this has everything to do with Roxy.

[Lobodeb]

I am listening to the points everyone has to say. I'm not trying to run away either, I'm just tired of everybody keeping bringing up Roxy. This thread has nothing to do with Roxy!

It has everything to do with Roxy. You want to get another dog, when Roxy's situation can be much better and Tink didn't get the medical attention she needed.

[buttercup132]

oh and nobody said Roxy is being left to die
yes they did...




Roxy being chained outside, a puppy left to die, and now a new puppy being brought into the picture.

[CagneyDog]

I'm pretty sure that "A puppy left to die" was reffering to Tink?

[PrinceBrewJulia]

yes they did...

Actually, thats about Tink I'm sure.

[k9krazee]

yes they did...

I think that quote was refering to Tink, not Roxy...

[Jessika]

yes they did...

"a puppy left to die" was referring to Tink

[.sarah]

I'm pretty sure that "A puppy left to die" was reffering to Tink?
Yes, it was. At least that's the way I took it.

[Roxyluvsme13]

Roxy has an unlimited supply of water...every day i give her a treat and hug her as soon as i get home from school. She wont play with toys, so why would she have any?

[Jessika]

Roxy has an unlimited supply of water...every day i give her a treat and hug her as soon as i get home from school. She wont play with toys, so why would she have any?

Maybe she's like Charlie, Charlie doesn't like toys either, his toy is ME!! He likes human interaction, just running around, a little roughhousing maybe. Just human interaction and attention for a good couple hours a day.

[.sarah]

Roxy has an unlimited supply of water...every day i give her a treat and hug her as soon as i get home from school. She wont play with toys, so why would she have any?
Will she play with you? Actually, will YOU play with HER? She needs that.

[CagneyDog]

How can she have an unlimited supply of water?

[buttercup132]

my dog hates playing with toys too

[Roxyluvsme13]

I do give Roxy interaction every day...

[CagneyDog]

I do give Roxy interaction every day...


Not enough.

[buttercup132]

How can she have an unlimited supply of water?
by filling the water bowl everytime it gets empty or half empty..... :rolleyes:

[Roxyluvsme13]

How can she have an unlimited supply of water?
I change it every day

[.sarah]

How can she have an unlimited supply of water?
There are PLENTY of ways. There are wells & things that hook up to hoses that are made especially for dogs. But basically what I mean is she ALWAYS needs water. A dog should never be without it, especially if they live outside. Don't your pets have an unlimited supply?

[Kfamr]

...well umm glaciers dogs live outside and they seem pritty darn happy to me and i dont see a single one of you complaining about her dogs bein outside all the time....lots of people do it



Do NOT bring Glacier or her dogs into this. That is totally ridiculous. There are two way different stories, among other things - Glaciers dogs are allowed inside at any point in time if they wish to.

Roxy is not, she is tied on side of the house, excuse me.. CONNECTED on the side of the house. Also, just because "lots of people do it" does not make it appropriate.

Roxyluvsme13 and I, as well as other, have spoken in chat before and have gone over things in this thread over and over, however, it seems to go in one ear and out the other. I don't think anything will be changed in this situation because of it, unfortunately.

Her story has changed and changed so I'm unsure of what to believe from her anymore, so i've given up.


That's all I have to say, and if anyone has any issue with something I've said, feel free to PM me.

[Roxyluvsme13]

Not enough.
I'm 13...I have school! Do you expect me to spend 5 hours with her? I have clarinet practice, homework, and tons of other things to do! I give her at least an hour a day!!!

[CagneyDog]

I change it every day

Your kidding right?

:eek:

That is not unlimited water. When it is hot out that water will be gone in no time and you would be at school. I'm usually changing Cagney's twice a day and he is not very active anymore and isn't outside in the sun!

[Jessika]

I'm 13...I have school! Do you expect me to spend 5 hours with her? I have clarinet practice, homework, and tons of other things to do! I give her at least an hour a day!!!

So your life is too busy to dedicate more than an hour to playing and interacting with the dog you have right now, but you want to get another puppy??

You will need to give a new puppy almost ALL of your attention throughout the day toilet training and house training it!! If you are "too busy" with school to give less-than-adequate attention to the dog you already have, then you have no business getting a new puppy!

[CagneyDog]

I'm 13...I have school! Do you expect me to spend 5 hours with her? I have clarinet practice, homework, and tons of other things to do! I give her at least an hour a day!!!


EXACTLY WHY YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE HER. If you don't have time, do her a favour and give her to someone that does! Give her a treat and a hug when you come home isn't enough! I also don't believe you, I KNOW Tink got more attention than that.

[buttercup132]

Roxyluvsme13 and I, as well as other, have spoken in chat before and have gone over things in this thread over and over, however, it seems to go in one ear and out the other. I don't think anything will be changed in this situation because of it, unfortunately.
scince its not gonna change what shes doing can we please STOP FIGHTING! cuz i like you guys and we are gonna end up all hating each other i know your all goin to prly ignore this but as she said shes leaving pt at least for a while so lets just drop it she going, and i didint mean to bring glacier into this i was just trying to make a point(but of course this is gonna make another argument...)

[CagneyDog]

scince its not gonna change what shes doing can we please STOP FIGHTING! cuz i like you guys and we are gonna end up all hating each other i know your all goin to prly ignore this but as she said shes leaving pt at least for a while so lets just drop it she going, and i didint mean to bring glacier into this i was just trying to make a point(but of course this is gonna make another argument...)

Well it wasn't a very good point.

[Roxyluvsme13]

So your life is too busy to dedicate more than an hour to playing and interacting with the dog you have right now, but you want to get another puppy??

You will need to give a new puppy almost ALL of your attention throughout the day toilet training and house training it!! If you are "too busy" with school to give less-than-adequate attention to the dog you already have, then you have no business getting a new puppy!
My mom takes care of the puppy during the day...

[buttercup132]

Well it wasn't a very good point
:rolleyes: r u trying to make it worse? are you trying to keep fighting?
seriously did you have to make that stupid little point?

[PrinceBrewJulia]

So why not use the time you were going to use on the new pup to house-break Roxy... :confused:

[Jessika]

My mom takes care of the puppy during the day...

But she doesn't take care of the dog you already have?? Taking care of Roxy SHOULD NOT be YOUR sole responsibility. As you said, you're only 13! Taking care of Roxy should be and IS your MOM'S responsibility.

But now what you're telling me is that your mom will dedicate her time house training a new puppy but won't house train the one she already has??

[Roxyluvsme13]

So why not use the time you were going to use on the new pup to house-break Roxy... :confused:
Like I said my mom will never let Roxy in the house...she always makes up an excuse....

[.sarah]

My mom takes care of the puppy during the day...
Why can't she take care of Roxy during the day instead? If she has the time to help train a puppy she has the time to help train Roxy.

[Jessika]

Like I said my mom will never let Roxy in the house...she always makes up an excuse....

Then she needs to do the right thing for Roxy and give her to a home where she will get the attention and love she deserves.

[.sarah]

Like I said my mom will never let Roxy in the house...she always makes up an excuse....
Then give her to someone who will care about her.

[Roxyluvsme13]

Roxy would grieve herself to death, if we put her in another home...nobody wanted her! they didnt..she was left at the shelter to DIE...

[.sarah]

Roxy would grieve herself to death, if we put her in another home...nobody wanted her! they didnt..she was left at the shelter to DIE...
A humane society should solve that. Or any other RESCUE (not shelter) for that matter. Rescues are no-kill. They will find her a home. And if they can't, she will stay INSIDE with a foster family forever.

[CagneyDog]

I don't believe a dog would be unhappy with getting attention.

[Jessika]

Roxy would grieve herself to death, if we put her in another home...nobody wanted her! they didnt..she was left at the shelter to DIE...

If you care about her enough to not let her "rot away" in a shelter, then you should care about her enough to tell your mom to work with her or give her to another home. Period. You are NOT being fair to Roxy. Personally I think risking letting her "rot away" in a shelter would be in her favor because I'm sure someone would pick her up no problem.

[PJ's Mom]

I'm 13...I have school! Do you expect me to spend 5 hours with her? I have clarinet practice, homework, and tons of other things to do! I give her at least an hour a day!!!

An hour? That's all? :(

How would you like it if your family kept you chained up without any interaction or attention and only spoke to you for an hour a day? Would that be good enough for you?

And you want a puppy? :rolleyes: I guess you started this thread to get some attention even though you won't listen to us. Looks like you got more than enough attention. :rolleyes:

[Roxyluvsme13]

A humane society should solve that. Or any other RESCUE (not shelter) for that matter. Rescues are no-kill. They will find her a home. And if they can't, she will stay INSIDE with a foster family forever.
Our shelter kills dogs...

[Jessika]

Our shelter kills dogs...

Then find a place near you that does. There are PLENTY of no-kill shelters everywhere. You have to call and ask. Many don't advertise it.

edited to add: You can take your time and energy into looking for a breeder for a new puppy, but you can't do the same looking for a no-kill shelter to take Roxy??

[Roxyluvsme13]

An hour? That's all? :(

How would you like it if your family kept you chained up without any interaction or attention and only spoke to you for an hour a day? Would that be good enough for you?

And you want a puppy? :rolleyes: I guess you started this thread to get some attention even though you won't listen to us. Looks like you got more than enough attention. :rolleyes:
I dont start threads for attention, I'm not an attention hog...All i wanted was a few name suggestions :mad:

[.sarah]

Our shelter kills dogs...
A RESCUE. I know shelters kill, so does mine. A RESCUE. A humane society. ANY kind of RESCUE.

[Roxyluvsme13]

Then find a place near you that does. There are PLENTY of no-kill shelters everywhere. You have to call and ask. Many don't advertise it.
I'm not giving up my dog because of what you people think...

[buttercup132]

ive been talkin to her this whole time and she said she quite pt ...now there is no need for anymore complaining you guys are just gonna be arguing with each toher seeing as the person ur fighting over is now gone...

[.sarah]

I'm not giving up my dog because of what you people think...
Your mom obviously doesn't want her anyways. I'm sure you love Roxy, but it's obviously not enough. You should be thinking of what Roxy wants in this situation, not you.

[CagneyDog]

I'm not giving up my dog because of what you people think...

Shes not really your dog. You don't pay attention t her.

[anna_66]

I dont start threads for attention, I'm not an attention hog...All i wanted was a few name suggestions :mad:
Well maybe you should just ask Karen to lock this thread, then it will be over and done with.
Then when/if you get a new dog you can post about the names then:)

[buttercup132]

good idea then maybe she wont have to quite

[CagneyDog]

good idea then maybe she wont have to quite
:rolleyes: Shes quiting for attention

[Jessika]

:rolleyes: Shes quiting for attention

Now come on you don't honestly know that. I know we're all upset at the fact she wants another puppy when she has a dog chained outside who doesn't get the attention it deserves, but honestly these things really aren't her fault, she's only 13 and she doesn't really know full responsibility yet. It's her mom I'm angry at. Her mom, putting this responsibility on her 13 year old daughter!

I'm sure she didn't mean to start this huge conversation and get everyone angry, and she's probably embarassed. But I'm sure she's not quitting just for attention.

[Roxyluvsme13]

:rolleyes: Shes quiting for attention
No I'm not...I'm quitting because you people cant accept the fact that Roxy is happy and well taken care for for an outside dog...She has it alot better than other dogs :mad:

[CagneyDog]

Well then why would she post that she was leaving?

She may be 13 but she should know that you can't treat animals like that.

[Jessika]

Well then why would she post that she was leaving?

She may be 13 but she should know that you can't treat animals like that.

SHE didn't, buttercup did ;)

[carole]

First of all she only posted to get name suggestions not opinions on whether to get another puppy or not, however that is what has become of the thread and so therefore I will give mine.

No-one can say when is the right time to get another puppy after loosing one, I agree with Kari 100 per cent on that issue,(although I might add two days hardly seems long enough to even grieve over your loss,) and that is not really what this thread is all about anymore.

Secondly it should be your mother online here not you, facing the music as the saying goes, because you are only 13 and your mother should be the one being responsible in this situation, and IMO she is not.

I also have a 13 year old daughter who is pretty responsible for her age, but I would not just get her another puppy because she wants one and is having one and that is that.

From the picture you have painted, your mother is not financially secure enough to adopt another Dog, they cost a lot of money to keep, and she should be considering that, not just your wishes alone.

You really do need to focus on the pet you already have, you do not appear to have the time or money to spend on another puppy, can you not see that?

Of course you should not get rid of Roxy because some PT members suggest so, but it would do you no harm to really listen up and maybe take the time to spend with her and think about it all before rushing off and making a decision on a new pup that you might later regret, when it gets sick and you don't have the money to get the required vet care, not to mention all the other things like vaccinations etc.

I think your attitude I am getting the puppy and that is that has riled people up, because you really ARE NOT listening to the pros and cons and to those who do know better,please do listen to people they really do know what they are talking about, you will be doing an injustice to the next pet you adopt if you have neither the time and money to spend on it.

The issue regarding Roxy being outside, well I do not know if it snows where you are, but if so, I think she should at least be kept in the laundry or somewhere warmer, we have plenty outdoor dogs in NZ, it is common practice for larger dogs and no-one considers it cruel, as long as they have shelter and food and warmth, all farm dogs are never kept inside.,but if she is chained all day, you must make every effort to give her exercise, and she does need more than one hours attention per day,honestly if you cannot improve on her care she would be better off somewhere else.

[luvofallhorses]

In june-july, I took Roxy on a walk every day...and...Shes not TIED shes connected to a pole, on a 15 foot chain...

Briana,

you know I like you and I am just trying to be a friend here, I hope you know that. anyways, I don't like the fact that Roxy lives outside. but can't you please walk her now and play with her? She needs you. I know you said you can't change the fact that she lives outside BUT if you make an effort to take care of her and show your mom how much you love her and please don't say you've tried this. I want what's best for Roxy and we all do. I know that you love her and I am sure nobody means to hurt your feelings they are just concerned about Roxy. AND I really think it's too soon for you to get another puppy and I do agree that your mom has to have money this time or has a plan to pay for another puppy IF it is to get sick. I am not trying to be mean, Briana. I really am not. I hope you don't think that. :)

[Glacier]

Do NOT bring Glacier or her dogs into this. That is totally ridiculous. There are two way different stories, among other things - Glaciers dogs are allowed inside at any point in time if they wish to.


Thanks, Kay. I am getting a little sick of defending myself everytime someone else posts about their outdoor dog!

My dogs are not kept outside 24-7. They ALL have access to the house. They may have to take shifts or stay in certain areas to avoid bloodshed, but they are all allowed in. The older dogs spend most of the day inside. I'm pretty sure I could train Paxil and Preacher to use a litter box, but I'm not going there! ;)

None of my dogs are kept on chains. They have over four fenced acres to run and play in. They all have insulated dog houses filled with straw. Constant access to water...I use troughs designed for horses with a heating element in them to prevent the water from freezing.

I spend much more than an hour a day with them. Just feeding and filling the water troughs can take longer than that! I've spent more than hour with them before I leave for work in the morning! They have tons of toys, bones, balls ect to play with.

They also get all the vet care they need on a regular basis, plus any emergency care they may require. I am quite sure that my bills financed my vet's new clinic!

I did a big post about this a couple weeks ago, not doing anymore. My dogs are much loved and well-cared for.

[finn's mom]

If Briana is an "attention hog," she most certainly isn't the only one. This thread has turned ugly, and, is no longer about educating or advising. It's simply arguing and ugliness, and, I think anna's suggestion is the best one that has been given here of late. I try hard to not read threads like this, but, I think human nature draws me into reading it, kinda like rubbernecking at an accident on the highway, which I usually don't do, either. Call it morbid curiosity, because I know all I'll find in here is ugliness. I have been trying really hard to not say anything, but, I will say that these threads bring out the worst in people here, and, I always am saddened by some of the responses by normally polite, helpful individuals. I truly think the thread is dead and needs to be closed.

[lv4dogs]

If Briana is an "attention hog," she most certainly isn't the only one. This thread has turned ugly, and, is no longer about educating or advising. It's simply arguing and ugliness, and, I think anna's suggestion is the best one that has been given here of late. I try hard to not read threads like this, but, I think human nature draws me into reading it, kinda like rubbernecking at an accident on the highway, which I usually don't do, either. Call it morbid curiosity, because I know all I'll find in here is ugliness. I have been trying really hard to not say anything, but, I will say that these threads bring out the worst in people here, and, I always am saddened by some of the responses by normally polite, helpful individuals. I truly think the thread is dead and needs to be closed.

Well said!

[k9krazee]

[QUOTE=Roxyluvsme13]Roxy is happy and well taken care for for an outside dog..[QUOTE]

"for for an outside dog"
What is that supposed to mean, do inside and outside dogs have different standards?? You give her food, water and an hour of your time, thats all that outside dogs need? Dogs should be a member of the family and treated like so, she should be well taken care of period.

And yes there are dogs out there starving and dying on the streets, Roxy is well fed and has a place to sleep but I really don't think its enough :( There are MANY MANY dogs that are in a lot better situation than she is in...

[carole]

kari although I agree the thread has its ugly parts, for the most I think people are genuinely concerned for Roxy and Briana, when emotions run high sometimes it just does not come out the right way, i think keeping the thread alive is important, because I believe Briana will take in some of it and realise that what is being said on the most part is right and only out of pure concern for Roxy's welfare and the future pup, I hope I do not offend, my main goal is only to do all of the above , I certainly do not mean to judge harshly but there really are some major issues here that need addressing IMO.

[jackie]

I said I wouldn't post again and that I just wanted this thread to drop off the board, But i just want to say this. I have messaged Karen and asked her to lock this thread.

Please, anyone who is tired of reading this, message Karen and ask her to lock the thread.

[K9soul]

It's all been said and said again. Good points were made and some well thought out posts were made, but now a lot of it is just getting to pettiness and repetitiveness. Believe me I understand how emotional a situation this is and how distressing for many here, but what ends up happening is those petty or nasty posts end up overshadowing the ones that MIGHT have been listened to. More than likely in this situation they would not, but there's always that "might" factor.

Really my post in General awhile back says it best as to how I feel in these situations: http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?t=77230

[carole]

Why on earth do you want to delete the thread, to me it is like the old ostrich burying its head in the sand, of course people should refrain from being impolite, but honestly I am hoping through reading all these replies some of it will actually make sense and Briana may reconsider some things, if you close it there is no possible chance of that even happening., I guess I am just ever hopeful, but if this thread is going to continue on in a non-productive manner then I reluctanly agree it should be deleted, as it is serving no real purpose except to cause more hurt, and doing more harm than good.

[finn's mom]

kari although I agree the thread has its ugly parts, for the most I think people are genuinely concerned for Roxy and Briana, when emotions run high sometimes it just does not come out the right way, i think keeping the thread alive is important, because I believe Briana will take in some of it and realise that what is being said on the most part is right and only out of pure concern for Roxy's welfare and the future pup, I hope I do not offend, my main goal is only to do all of the above , I certainly do not mean to judge harshly but there really are some major issues here that need addressing IMO.

I sent you a PM. :)

[jackie]

Why on earth do you want to delete the thread, to me it is like the old ostrich burying its head in the sand, of course people should refrain from being impolite, but honestly I am hoping through reading all these replies some of it will actually make sense and Briana may reconsider some things, if you close it there is no possible chance of that even happening.

I said lock, not delete. Most people have expressed their opinions and there is no where else for the thread to go, but downhill.

[.sarah]

If Briana is an "attention hog," she most certainly isn't the only one. This thread has turned ugly, and, is no longer about educating or advising. It's simply arguing and ugliness, and, I think anna's suggestion is the best one that has been given here of late. I try hard to not read threads like this, but, I think human nature draws me into reading it, kinda like rubbernecking at an accident on the highway, which I usually don't do, either. Call it morbid curiosity, because I know all I'll find in here is ugliness. I have been trying really hard to not say anything, but, I will say that these threads bring out the worst in people here, and, I always am saddened by some of the responses by normally polite, helpful individuals. I truly think the thread is dead and needs to be closed.
While I understand where you are coming from, I think keeping this thread open is important. There are some here who are arguing IMO and some who are still advising her. If she is anything like me at 13 she is stubborn and does not want to have to say she is wrong. She is probably taking all of this in, and I think it will really sink in later (hopefully before she goes to look at those puppies). Somehow I think she'll have a moment with Roxy where she'll realize that Roxy could be better off, and that she needs to provide better for her. I do not think she should give Roxy away unless if she realizes that she can't provide for her. But I truly think this is going to get to her. Just my 2 cents.

[carole]

Sarah you and I are thinking along the same lines here,yes my 13 year old is stubborn too and hates to admit she is wrong, but I have often found by talking through things with her alot, she finally sees a different side of things sometimes, anyway I have addressed it all in my previous thread, sorry I thought locking it was the same as deleting, I have never heard that term before and assumed it was the same thing.

[finn's mom]

Just my 2 cents.


I sent you a PM, too, Sarah. :)

[carole]

Briana I just want to say if anything I have said has offended you or hurt you I am truely sorry and it was not my intention at all to do so, I really just want you to think long and hard about your decision, and the pros and cons, and I wish you well in whatever you decide, and I know your heart still hurts and is missing Tinks,and maybe you think having the new pup will help that all go away, it will help for sure, but only time will help heal your hurt.

[CagneyDog]

While I understand where you are coming from, I think keeping this thread open is important. There are some here who are arguing IMO and some who are still advising her. If she is anything like me at 13 she is stubborn and does not want to have to say she is wrong. She is probably taking all of this in, and I think it will really sink in later (hopefully before she goes to look at those puppies).
Yeah I agree.

[luvofallhorses]

Briana I just want to say if anything I have said has offended you or hurt you I am truely sorry and it was not my intention at all to do so, I really just want you to think long and hard about your decision, and the pros and cons, and I wish you well in whatever you decide, and I know your heart still hurts and is missing Tinks,and maybe you think having the new pup will help that all go away, it will help for sure, but only time will help heal your hurt.

Ditto.

[Lobodeb]

I wasn't going to respond anymore for fear that I have offended someone and if I did, I, too apologize.

I remember what I was like when I was 13. Once I made my mind up, that's it. There was no changing it. (Heck, who am I kidding, I'm STILL like that.) Just, try to remember that we are concerned for you, and your ENTIRE situation, Roxy included. I know as a teenager, it's hard to take the advice of other people but we've already been down the road you're traveling. We really do want what's best for you. It may not have appeared that way in this thread, but I feel in my heart that PTers are genuinly good people.

Please don't leave PT, and also don't rush to make any big decisions. We'll still be here either way.

Good luck!

[dogzr#1]

Well this is coming from a 13 year old (well almost, my birthday is tommorow) I know that I can be stubborn at times and I do not want to be proven wrong. I am going to say 1 thing: You can still get a puppy but wait a little longer, maybe in spring or summer so you can be home with it all day. Maybe in that time you can do more research, work with Roxy a bit, and save a little more money. I do not intend for this to start an argument again.

[buttercup132]

THANK GOD every1 is being freinds again! i cant wait to show briana this shell be so happy she was really upset at what you guys were saying and thinking just put yourself in her shoes and i really do apologize glacier i thought i saw your dogs on chains but that must of been the guy that owns the other dogs b i think is his name :confused: but briana if yyou built a pen like glaciers i think it would be a good idea :D im so glad this argument is over with and every1 is happy again*BIG sigh of relif*

[cocker_luva]

good luck

[Glacier]

i really do apologize glacier i thought i saw your dogs on chains but that must of been the guy that owns the other dogs b i think is his name :confused: but briana if yyou built a pen like glaciers i think it would be a good idea :D im so glad this argument is over with and every1 is happy again*BIG sigh of relif*

Oh, that picture. I understand the confusion now. That was Sundin, who is not yet my dog, but will be arriving on Sunday. My friend who owns him right now does keep his sled dogs on chains. That picture was taken in his yard, not mine. Most racing kennels keep their dogs in that manner. B. is a serious long distance racing musher. His dogs get lots of time off their chains and he has a full time handler who is with his dogs all day--that's her job in exchange for free rent--so they get lots of attention. My dogs aren't chained and Sundin won't be after he arrives.

[shais_mom]

Glacier got upset the last time she was compared to her - why? B/c there IS NO COMPARISON.

[buttercup132]

sorry i got her mixed up with some1 else is that ok i made a mistake geeze...sorry

[Roxyluvsme13]

Ok...I understand everybody, and Like I said no matter what I do, my mom will never let Roxy in the house. Sad truth...:( I would like her to be inside, and I've tried everything...We are going to look at the puppies tomorrow at 5. I will post how it goes. This breeder seems 10,000 times better than the other one, but I'll just have to see...Only tomorrow will tell if we decide on getting the puppy or not.

[Kole03]

Well, I wasn't going to post but I feel like I have to. You may be pissed but I really don't care anymore. I honestly can not believe that people are actually congratulating you on getting this new puppy. Your dog JUST died. I'm not saying you need to go into deep depression but you do have Roxy you know. I bet Roxy wants more than one hour a day with you. She deserves more than one hour. I think if you don't spend more time with her you should find a better home for her. Someone that will spend the needed time with her. I know you don't want to hear this and I know other people have said it but clearly it hasn't sunk in.

As for financial reasons--4 paychecks isn't enough. I mean your mom will have to buy food and things for your family (I'm including food for Roxy) and anything else you want, plus saving up for this puppy? I don't think so.

You are 13, what do you really know about dog breeders, and after searching for a couple days what could you have possibly learned? You should be training Roxy. You made a comment about your mom making excuses saying she smells or has fleas. Well if she has fleas deal with them! She must be suffering if she has them and you don't do anything about them. A 15 foot chain isn't enough for her if you don't walk her every single day and pay lots of attention to her.

I can't begin to understand why your mother would allow you to get another animal. It is very poor judgement on her part and also poor judgement on your own for actually getting ready to go through with this. I hope you really do consider what you are doing and are taking Roxy into consideration on this decision. She deserves rights before this new puppy. I hope that if you do end up getting this puppy that Roxy still gets attention from you, even while you are excited about a puppy.

[Dot]

You made a comment about your mom making excuses saying she smells or has fleas. Well if she has fleas deal with them!

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!

[areias]

You made a comment about your mom making excuses saying she smells or has fleas. Well if she has fleas deal with them!

Just because she lives outside, dosen't mean the poor thing has to live with fleas. How would you feel if you have hundreds of parasites crawling on you and biting you? Treat your yard, treat your dog. And keep treating it. AND if the dog lives in the house, there's a lot less likely chance of having fleas. Is she even on any kind of flea+tick preventative? Does she have her shots? Is she on heart worm meds? Poor thing.

And what about RESCUE! If you're going to go through with this, look at your local rescue! Since this is only a pet, why are you rushing to a breeder without looking at any other options? I sure wish I could magically make people see the correct side of things.

[k9krazee]

Well, I wasn't going to post but I feel like I have to. You may be pissed but I really don't care anymore. I honestly can not believe that people are actually congratulating you on getting this new puppy. Your dog JUST died. I'm not saying you need to go into deep depression but you do have Roxy you know. I bet Roxy wants more than one hour a day with you. She deserves more than one hour. I think if you don't spend more time with her you should find a better home for her. Someone that will spend the needed time with her. I know you don't want to hear this and I know other people have said it but clearly it hasn't sunk in.

As for financial reasons--4 paychecks isn't enough. I mean your mom will have to buy food and things for your family (I'm including food for Roxy) and anything else you want, plus saving up for this puppy? I don't think so.

You are 13, what do you really know about dog breeders, and after searching for a couple days what could you have possibly learned? You should be training Roxy. You made a comment about your mom making excuses saying she smells or has fleas. Well if she has fleas deal with them! She must be suffering if she has them and you don't do anything about them. A 15 foot chain isn't enough for her if you don't walk her every single day and pay lots of attention to her.

I can't begin to understand why your mother would allow you to get another animal. It is very poor judgement on her part and also poor judgement on your own for actually getting ready to go through with this. I hope you really do consider what you are doing and are taking Roxy into consideration on this decision. She deserves rights before this new puppy. I hope that if you do end up getting this puppy that Roxy still gets attention from you, even while you are excited about a puppy.

I agree 100%

[carole]

Well it really appears no matter what sound advice we give her, she is just going to do what she wants and that is that, I had that pointed out to me, but was giving her the benefit of the doubt in hoping that something might sink it, it obviously has not, but really I do not blame this girl, the full responsiblity with the bad decision making lies solely IMO with her mother, and as for Roxy having fleas and smelling, well Hello who's fault is that, not the Dogs, as a responsible pet owner it is You who must attend to this dog's needs, I feel sorry for Roxy if she is indeed living with fleas, it is not only a terrible irritant for her but bad for her health.

Personally I am fed up with it all, as we are all beating our heads against a brick wall, and whereas getting a new puppy is exciting and something I would normally love to share with a PTer this one is clouded with sadness IMO, enough said.

[Roxyluvsme13]

Roxy HAS been treated for fleas, and my mom still makes up that excuse... Roxy is well taken care for, and perfectly happy, and Loved alot, so theres not a single reason to be sad.

[areias]

Can I ask why you won't consider rescuing a pom?

[Roxyluvsme13]

Can I ask why you won't consider rescuing a pom?
Because the nearest Pom rescue is like 3 hours away, and our shelter doesnt have any...and We wont drive 3 hours to get a dog, when we found a reputable breeder only 30m away.

[Jessika]

What just confuses me is that you're willing to pay $500 for a Pom from a breeder, yet you won't make the trip to save one from a rescue? :(

[Roxyluvsme13]

What just confuses me is that you're willing to pay $500 for a Pom from a breeder, yet you won't make the trip to save one from a rescue? :(
Because, My mom is driving not me, and she would rather drive 30m rather than 3 hours, and spend the $500 rather than paying all that money in gas...

[buttercup132]

i thought we stopped arguing... :confused:

[Jessika]

I'm not arguing at all, I just asked a simple question out of curiosity.

EDIT: And driving three hours will cost less in gas than paying $500 for a new puppy. ;)

[Roxyluvsme13]

i thought we stopped arguing... :confused:
Idk if this is "arguing..." :confused:

[Roxyluvsme13]

I'm not arguing at all, I just asked a simple question out of curiosity.

EDIT: And driving three hours will cost less in gas than paying $500 for a new puppy. ;)
Well, ok :) but we have already found our puppy, and she is already ours...we just cant have her until shes old enough to leave her mom...

[Uabassoon]

Well, it looks like the damage is done :( . I just hope that out of this entire thread you at least learned something and more can be done for Roxy. Please don't let this new puppy take away time from her. You said you only play with her for 1 hour a day. That means for 23 hours a day she is tied up all alone :( . I hope that with the new puppy you won't forget or ignore Roxy. It's also sad that you said that in june/july you took her for a walk everyday. What happened in August, Sept, and Oct? please start walking her again. I'm sure it would mean so much to her.

[Roxyluvsme13]

I hope that with the new puppy you won't forget or ignore Roxy. It's also sad that you said that in june/july you took her for a walk everyday. What happened in August, Sept, and Oct? please start walking her again. I'm sure it would mean so much to her.
I would never ever ignore Roxy! Shes not allowed to go to the place we used to go walk, because she attacked a duck there, and I'm not allowed to walk her anywhere else :(

[Jessika]

Perhaps get her a longer tie-out then?? 15 feet isn't long enough for a dog's living area to be confined to. :)

And you may have already answered this, but does she had a dog house or shelter for the winter (if you have winter lol)

[finn's mom]

Ugh, I was really, really trying to stay out of this. I've been reading it, though. I think it's noble how many of you are really trying your hardest to get this child to understand that she is not taking care of her dog. And, I'm usually the eternal optimist in most situations. However, something I've learned the hard way...you CANNOT help someone who doesn't want the help. You CANNOT help someone who doesn't see that they're doing anything wrong. The situation is sad and will only get sadder once the new puppy is brought home. It's a fact, and, a miserably sad one at that.

[Roxyluvsme13]

All the longer tie outs, Roxy will break into...We spent $30 on this chain...and YES Roxy has a dog house, and yes we have winter. ;)

[Jessika]

All the longer tie outs, Roxy will break into...We spent $30 on this chain...and YES Roxy has a dog house, and yes we have winter. ;)

I'm quite certain they have chains longer than 15 feet though, am I right? I could have sworn we had some while I was stocking them at PetCo. Dont' get me wrong I AM NOT trying to "argue" with you I'm just trying to help you out and give you ideas since your mom doesn't allow her in the house nad you say she isn't allowed at the park because she attacked the duck!

[Roxyluvsme13]

I'm quite certain they have chains longer than 15 feet though, am I right? I could have sworn we had some while I was stocking them at PetCo. Dont' get me wrong I AM NOT trying to "argue" with you I'm just trying to help you out and give you ideas since your mom doesn't allow her in the house nad you say she isn't allowed at the park because she attacked the duck!
But we got this chain from a farm and garden place, and we had to pay for it by the foot, plus we had to buy the hook and everything...

[Jessika]

Since you already have a hook you won't need to buy a second one, and try your local PetCo or Petsmart, I KNOW they have them there. :P

[Roxyluvsme13]

Since you already have a hook you won't need to buy a second one, and try your local PetCo or Petsmart, I KNOW they have them there. :P
We dont have a Petco...sadly...and We did try them, and Roxy can break every single thing they have in to pieces

[Love4BCs]

I briefly skimmed over this thread as it is so long.

All I can say is poor, poor Roxy. She is not getting the home she deserves.

[Jessika]

Well if you're willing to spend like $500 on a new puppy, I think you can splurge for a longer chain from the store you got your other one from?

[PJ's Mom]

Well, ok :) but we have already found our puppy, and she is already ours...we just cant have her until shes old enough to leave her mom...

Great. :( And in the meantime Roxy sits outside all by herself. :( She really, really needs a new home. :( :(

[Love4BCs]

Great. :( And in the meantime Roxy sits outside all by herself. :( She really, really needs a new home. :( :(

Are you KIDDING ME?!?!?!? OMFG. They are waiting for a new puppy WHILE ROXY IS OUTSIDE? My God, if I were in the same city as you I would come and take Roxy away from you. Right now.

[carole]

Ya know folks Kari is right, no matter how much we try and tell this young lady that what she is doing is not right, she will not listen, her mind was made up from day one to get the new puppy, end of story,and she is not prepared to listen to the advice offered even though it is good and sound, some of it is beyond her control as she is only 13 and we must keep that in mind, like not rescuing a Pom from a shelter, her mother has made the decision here.

Briana I am sad that you have not managed to hear anything really that has been said to you, I don't want to sound harsh or become impolite, but honestly you should be taking care of Roxy's needs before you even consider this new puppy, I have no doubt you love Roxy, but a lot of people love their pets, they are just not always aware of the real needs of that dog, and to me anyway it seems that way here too.

I suppose all I can say is I hope that you have taken even a little of it in and realise that Roxy needs more attention and you will just have to make time for her, if you think you have little time now between school and recreation activities what makes you think you will have any more time for the new puppy, seems to me Roxy is the one who will miss out again.

Even though I certainly agree with most posters that Roxy may not be in the best home possible, we still have to remember she is fed, housed, taken care of and loved all the same , her outlook could be a lot bleaker, but still you should make more effort on her behalf,having said this I am going to try and stay away from this thread also, as it does nothing but distress and Fustrate me. :eek:

[buttercup132]

Are you KIDDING ME?!?!?!? OMFG. They are waiting for a new puppy WHILE ROXY IS OUTSIDE? My God, if I were in the same city as you I would come and take Roxy away from you. Right now
omg..here we go...leave her alone ok this thread is over all your doing is agitating people and there gonna start yelling at her AGAIN! and if you took her id be called stealing... :rolleyes:
like u said u SKIMMED through it your new and dont know the whole story so i think u should stay out if this one...or read the whole thread THE WHOLE THREAD!

[Jessika]

omg..here we go...leave her alone ok this thread is over all your doing is agitating people and there gonna start yelling at her AGAIN! and if you took her id be called stealing... :rolleyes:
like u said u SKIMMED through it your new and dont know the whole story so i think u should stay out if this one...or read the whole thread THE WHOLE THREAD!

Hey hey chill -- whereas I'm not saying her reply was right or wrong, you say you don't want arguements then don't reply to any, either. ;) You replying to comments yelling about arguing is causing just as many arguements. She's also new so cut her a LITTLE slack. :)

[Love4BCs]

You must be a friend of hers, are you?

[carole]

Buttercup where it is admirable that you leap to the defence of your friend, never the less some things just had to be said, but I agree it does not take much to be polite about it,it is all very well to say leave her alone, but if this thread so bothers her and she does not like what she is hearing maybe she is the one to stay away, most of us here have acted out of pure concern, nothing less, nothing more, if you decide to mis-construe it and turn it into something ugly so be it, but I personally was hoping for a better result and that this young lady might even talk some sense into her mother, by listening to those who DO INDEED know better.

I put this question to you, if you see or know of something around you happening that is wrong and you know it is wrong, do you just stand by and do nothing,? I for one cannot, if offering some suggestions or advice does actually help then to me it is worthwhile sticking my neck out for, after all it is two dogs well being that we are concerned here for.

[Jadapit]

I would never ever ignore Roxy! Shes not allowed to go to the place we used to go walk, because she attacked a duck there, and I'm not allowed to walk her anywhere else :(

Do you think you would be allowed to walk her around the block? Would your mom go with you if your not allowed to walk Roxy by yourself? Owning a pit and pit mix myself I know how much engery they have. She needs walked please, please try to walk the poor girl. :( She deserves that so much!!!!!!

[areias]

We dont have a Petco...sadly...and We did try them, and Roxy can break every single thing they have in to pieces

Why is she breaking them?

...perhaps because she's lonely and bored? :mad:

I think I'm going to stay out of this thread from now on, unless something really bothers me. I feel like having a temper tantrum. :(

[Roxyluvsme13]

Why is she breaking them?

...perhaps because she's lonely and bored? :mad:

I think I'm going to stay out of this thread from now on, unless something really bothers me. I feel like having a temper tantrum. :(
NO Because shes a strong a powerful dog! :mad:

[Karen]

If Roxy is so strong and powerful - get her stronger toys. I know one big dog who loved to flip around an old tire - even Roxy would have to spend a lot of effort to destroy a tire! Keep trying different things and play with her. Get big chunks of wood to play fetch with with her if she just chomps sticks apart, etc. A bored dog is a dstructive dog. A tired dog is a well-behaved dog.

I am going to shut this thread, as I don't think it is doing any good any more.

Please, Roxyluvsme13, reread this with everyone's suggestions and positive wishes for Roxy herself.

[Love4BCs]

Well then she needs a job to work all that energy she has. She needs to belong to a family who will play with her for hours on and take a walk through a park or something.

Oh yeah, she's going to have the time of her darn life on the end of a chain, living for one walk a day and a treat..... I'd say that's paradise. :rolleyes: