It turned out to be more then just a Hunting trip yesterday.

[king2005]

We arrived in QU about 10am (we left at 5am.).

First Gord (the farmer guy we met last thur at a business meeting) took us un a tour or his farm. We saw his chickens, rabbits, hens, ducks & new born Lambs!

Gord was gonna take us on a small tour of the sheep field, when he saw a mother sheep with a foot sticking out of its backend.

He said finally, I've been looking for this one all morning, my daughtor saw her yesterday.

The sheep was laying down & he asked us to give him a hand. Rob held her down (she never struggled anyways) & I patted her face. Gord touched the leg & said yep. its dead.

Gord said the other front leg was in the wrong place, so he was trying to pull it straight & the whole leg ripped off

It was soo gross, it was rotten too. Gord thinks the lamb died days ago fo rhte leg to come off like that.

Gord was not a happy farmer, he said the lambs eye sockets r huge, so he had to gently stretch the poor sheep down there.

He ended up trying to crush the skull with his hands cause the poor sheep couldn't stretch anymore.

We gave her a break & then tried again. 30 mins later or more he finally got the lamb out. Its head was not normal at all, no wonder she couldn't pass it.

So gord took the dead lamb & asked us to keep an eye on her & make sure she didn't get up. Poor thing didn't even try to.

Gord gave her an antibotic shot & tried to get her to stand. She wouldn't even try to stand. so he carried her & prop her up on the side of the barn in the shade to recover. He said it usually takes 30 mins or so after dropping a lamb to be running about again.

Gord took us on a tour of his farm land.. lets just saw WOW!!!

On our way back the sheep still hadn't moved. Poor thing. Nothing can be done but hope she gets up.

Gord then took us on a tour of the area. We went to a flea market & then stopped at a local pub for a late lunch. As we were eating, guess who stopped by?? The hells Angels
We went back to his farm & got ready to hunt the problem Coyote. Hes known to show up between 4-6pm. However the stupid thing never showed up!!

We sat in sheep poo, pointy rocks & I was attacked by an evil plant that killed some skin on my hand & arm; for 2 1/2 hours.

We gave up & went to have dinner. We were having some of the farms lamb mmmmm.

On our way back to the house we decided to check on the sheep. She was now on her side with her eyes closed. Rob gently pushed her with his foot & she was really hard. We looked at her back end & it was HUGE & there was lots of blood.

Were guessing she had internal bleeding & a really bad infection that caused her to bleed out & die. Poor girl. She tried her darnest to fight too.

Then we were ready to take off & the wife said, what? ur not staying at the Champlain?? We said we should go tonight cause we have to be at another farm by 10am.

She said well, if u guys leave at 5am again, u can be at the other farm for 10am & stay at the Champlain.

So we agreed to stay & Gord took us to the Champlain.

We had NO idea what or where this Champlain was. We pulled up to this nice house & he took us in.. Lets just say we were in HEAVEN!!!!

The place was a dream! It was huge, lovely & comfy. It had a washer & dryer, shower, towels, sattlight TV, & a top of the line Queen bed!!!

Rob & I enjoyed our stay in the lovely place & let at 5:10am.


For someone we only met on thur. have become good friends. They were awesome people & sooooo friendly. They want us back sometime next year or any OFF season (they rent the house out during the winter for skiers) & stay in the CHamplain for free!! We can bring friends or just us. If we fly in they will pick us up at the airport & then all the fun will begin again!!!

So ya, we had a WONDERFUL time

[lizbud]

How bizarre. The is the grossest & most incomprhensible
posting I've ever seen.:confused:

[Corinna]

I think it was just a slice of farm life . I remember days like that. so much life (lambs ) andthe heart ache of the truth not all animals are are not to stay here on this earth for long. Lifes little realitys are hard some time.
I want to know if the coyotes were killing the lambs or other stock. is that why the hunt?

[lizbud]

Corinna,

She left on a tour & lunch break while an animal lay in distress?

[popcornbird]

Originally posted by lizbud
How bizarre. The is the grossest & most incomprhensible
posting I've ever seen.:confused:

Ditto. I felt the same way. :confused:

[Scooby4]

CITY FOLK!!!:rolleyes: :p

[king2005]

Originally posted by lizbud
Corinna,

She left on a tour & lunch break while an animal lay in distress?


Nothing more could be done to help her any further. it was all up to her. She was given a few shots to aid, u play the waiting game & hope she'll pull through.

[king2005]

Originally posted by Scooby4
CITY FOLK!!!:rolleyes: :p

Tell me about it. It doesn't make sence until u work or live on a farm. I grew up around farms & know how things work, esp the more natural farms, like Gord's. All the sheep r wild animals & being near them stresses the life right out of them. U gotta be quick like a bunny to give little aid & hope for the best. & if a bad animal like that sheep survived, it would mean more problem births in the heard. Its the strongest of the fittest. Thats what makes a healthy animal.

EDIT: also all lambs & sheep that pass away become dog food & the wool is removed. The farm dogs r wild aswell. Gord cannot catch them & they may bite if caught. As far as the dogs know, they r the alpha & beta sheep in the heard & find their own meals (alot of food is just left around the fields, raw meats). But there r no bowls & no interactions with the dogs. Gord has learned the hard way if u make the dog a pet, it wont work & they start to kill sheep. He had to shoot 7 dogs several years ago. He had no idea what happened once the dogs became friendly.

[king2005]

Originally posted by Corinna
I think it was just a slice of farm life . I remember days like that. so much life (lambs ) andthe heart ache of the truth not all animals are are not to stay here on this earth for long. Lifes little realitys are hard some time.
I want to know if the coyotes were killing the lambs or other stock. is that why the hunt?

Yes. There hasn't been coyote problems in years. But this was a yound bold bugger. The wife would run out of the house yelling & hitting the deck with a broom. The kids have even tried to chase him away. They can make it to the 3rd feild & just enter the forth before he trots back into the forest.

Since the coyote was in the hardest field for the dogs to get to, the newborn lambs were an easy target. & since sheep aren't the smartest things around, they kept going to the top of that field to drop lambs & the coyote knew the dogs took too long to run to that field, he had feast after feast after feast after feast of newborns...

The farmer has his own guns, but he had them locked up, like the law states to & he lost the key. He's been trying hard to find the key & no luck. thats why we went out to the farm to aid the farmer.

[QueenScoopalot]

Originally posted by lizbud
How bizarre. The is the grossest & most incomprhensible
posting I've ever seen.:confused:
Add me to the list of those who can't make much sense out of this thread. :rolleyes: I think I could have done without the graphic details of lambing on the farm...yup another city folk, and proud of it.

[moosmom]

We gave up & went to have dinner. We were having some of the farms lamb mmmmm

:eek: :eek:

You still had an appetite after that???


She left on a tour & lunch break while an animal lay in distress

What Lizbud said is what I don't understand. Why didn't this farmer have a veterinarian on hand??? I know farming seems very difficult and different to us city folks, but to leave a poor defenseless sheep bleeding to death while they go out for lunch is despicable. :mad: She should've been euthanized and put out of her misery.

:confused: :confused: I am also confused as to the reason for this post and WAAAAAAAAY TMI in it.

[king2005]

Originally posted by CagneyDog
:mad: :mad: :mad: Your shooting an innocent animal because he is doing what his instict tells him what to do. Disgusting.

Do u kill spiders, flies, mice, other pests that may go into ur home?

99% of the population does. There is no difference between a coyote & a bug. Both do what they naturally do & if it interfears with our daily lives, or comes into our homes, we kill them.

[king2005]

Originally posted by QueenScoopalot
Add me to the list of those who can't make much sense out of this thread. :rolleyes: I think I could have done without the graphic details of lambing on the farm...yup another city folk, and proud of it.


Why is it ok to show pictures of bloody, dead, chewed up Pit Bulls, but not just a discription of a witnessed birth gone wrong ?

[king2005]

Originally posted by moosmom
:eek: :eek:

You still had an appetite after that???



What Lizbud said is what I don't understand. Why didn't this farmer have a veterinarian on hand??? I know farming seems very difficult and different to us city folks, but to leave a poor defenseless sheep bleeding to death while they go out for lunch is despicable. :mad: She should've been euthanized and put out of her misery.

:confused: :confused: I am also confused as to the reason for this post and WAAAAAAAAY TMI in it.


I sat outside for 2 1/2 hours in a field stairing 500-1000 yards away. Yes I was hungry after that.

There r no sheep veterinarian's around there. its in the middle of nowhere. The farmer is the vet, thas how family farms work.

We had no idea she was bleeding internally. She wasn't bleeding when we checked on her throughout the day. & the last time we checked on her, there was blood on the ground & she was dead.

You don't euthanize (neds) an animal that u don't think is gonna die & that u can use for food & other things, its also a natural farm, meaning no to little interfearing with the stock, it produces healthier & better animals.

The farmer said it'll take hours for her to recover from her ordeal. SHe was lifting her head & looking around, she just wouldn't get up yet, but she had 24hrs to get up so there was no worry. She was the first sheep to die on that farm from giving birth.


The point of this thread was sharing my day & things not everyone gets to see, including the farmers.

[CathyBogart]

Originally posted by CagneyDog
:mad: :mad: :mad: Your shooting an innocent animal because he is doing what his instict tells him what to do. Disgusting.

You are passing judjement on someone who is trying to protect their livelihood. Disgusting.

And to add to my comment, coyotes are one of my favorite animals ever...yet, when there was one going around my old neighborhood killing pet cats, I was not sorry when it was killed.

[king2005]

Originally posted by CathyBogart
You are passing judjement on someone who is trying to protect their livelihood. Disgusting.

And to add to my comment, coyotes are one of my favorite animals ever...yet, when there was one going around my old neighborhood killing pet cats, I was not sorry when it was killed.

Thank you.


The farmer has nothing personal against Coyotes, just only when they go after his sheep. He knows there r dozens in the forest, but those ones don't bother his sheep at all, so he leaves them alone.

We wern't baiting the coyote, and we wern't stalking him. We were just waiting for him to come onto the property & go after the sheep, then we were gonna shoot it. Bring it back to the house & Gord was gonna take what he could from the coyote & give it to the dogs.

Nothing goes to waste on that farm. Not even when a dog passes, its used. Same with the cats, wild mice & birds, its all used. Except the pets, like their hamster, pigion, house cats & their terrier. The other animals are tools & live wild. As long as they do their jobs, they r fed & free to do as they please on the land.


Thats they way things should be (using everything).

[Cataholic]

I think what the people were 'objecting' to was the graphic, and really, pointless, nature of the original post.

It reminded me of the media's quest to put anything bloody on the front page (or tv) because that sort of image sells papers(or increases ratings).

[king2005]

Pointless.

How was my post pointless?? I was sharing my day on a farm visit. I got to see life, death, beauty, friendship for strangers & so much more.

[lizbud]

Originally posted by king2005
Pointless.

How was my post pointless?? I was sharing my day on a farm visit. I got to see life, death, beauty, friendship for strangers & so much more.


Be selfish & keep it to yourself o.k.?


I lived on a farm for three years as a child and nobody treated
their animals the way you discribed.

[Cataholic]

How odd. When **I** read it, I "saw" none of that which you mentioned, and was really disgusted by the images you portrayed.

This is a pet site, and as such, you might have given more consideration to the graphic nature of your posts. There should have been more consideration given to your audience. In reality, would you really have expected many people to find hunting 'okay'? Whether it was justified or not?

Yeah, I know, I know..you posted it in the dog house. But, in reflection, maybe you can see how it was possible to offend some of us?

I think it was a post in poor taste. Others appear to feel that way, too. While you can defend your post by saying, "well, others do it too (the pit bull reference you made)", I don't see how that changes what YOU posted.

And, really, I could see alot less of death these days. I don't miss seeing it, really, and consider my life quite complete without it. It isn't as if i don't know that it exists..but, to somehow say that it makes my day? Hmmm....I don't know that I can understand where you are coming from.

[moosmom]

THANK YOU CAGNEYDOG!!!!!

[king2005]

I posted who I was a long time ago, not my fault u few people didn't get it :rolleyes:

& oh no not spelling errors, it must be the end of the world! <- see that is someting to yell at me about.

Yes thats right I posted a thread just to piss u few people off. Wow I'm just that evil :rolleyes: It had nothing to do what I exp. on a natural farm & did during the day, no not at all.

So once again. there r no vets on natural farms. U cannot give meds to something u r gonna eat, same thing for shooting it. There is a reason its called a natural farm.

The sheep was checked on throughout the day. She was fine 3 hours before we found her dead. Natural birth, natural death.


It was put in the dog house for the detail, & thats where it belongs. U know ur taking a risk of reading something u may not like when u read a thread in the dog house. If u do not like what someone typed, then don't read it.. I wasn't making u.. I made the title include hunting just as a tip that it might not be something everyone will want to read.


The farm u might have gone/lived on prob. wasn't a natural farm. There is a huge difference on how they work.. one pumps the animals u'll eat full of meds, that'll go into ur body. While the other lets nature take its course, so u wont eat all those nasty meds as u eat the animal.

There is a reason why I choose Natural foods over comercial garbage. It tastes much better & it doesn't slowly poison ur body.

[K9soul]

I think it's possible to express distaste for the post or its contents without making such personal attacks.

**Edit: Thanks for removing some of the harsher comments. Although I realize that it was upsetting to many, some of what was said towards the end seemed unnecessarily personal and hurtful.

[cloverfdx]

^ Ditto.

Good to see everyone acting like mature adults. It is a farm, they are filled with life and death.

[CathyBogart]

Maybe there should have been a graphic warning on the OP, but I don't seem to be the only one who thinks a lot of us are blowing it out of proportion.