Designer Breeds

[animal_rescue]

I was wondering what "designer" breeds you have heard of?
I heard of
Beapoo (not sure what mix they are)
Doodle (Great Dane x Poodle) or (Daschund x Poodle)
Mastoodle (Poodle x Old English Mastiff)
Maso (Cane Corso x Old English Mastiff)
American Mastiff (Anatolian x Old English Mastiff)
Puggle (Beagle x Pug)
Irish Wolfapoo (Irish Wolfhound x Poodle)
Goldendoodle (Golden Retriever x Poodle)
Labradoodle (Labrador Retriever x Poodle)
Golden Labrador (Golden Retriever x Labrador Retriever)
Silver Labrador (I think Weimeraner x Labrador Retriever)
Shih a Peek-a-Poo (Shih Tzu x Pekingese x Poodle)
Bull Sh*t (Any Pit Bull x Shih Tzu)
Cockapoo (Cocker Spaniel x Poodle)
Peke-A-Pom (Pekingnese x Pomeranian)
Corkies (Yorkshire Terrier x Cairn Terrier)
LhasaPoo (Lhasa Apso x Poodle)
PooChin (Poodle x Japanese Chin)
Mini Rottie (Pug x Miniature Pinscher)
Weimardoodle (Weimeraner x Poodle)
YorkiePoo (Yorkshire Terrier x Poodle)
Chorkie (Yorkshire Terrier x Chihuahua)
Torkie (Yorkshire Terrier x Toy Fox Terrier)
Schnoodle (Miniature Schnauzer x Poodle)

ugh it's so rediculous! I don't blame the dogs just the people breeding them!:(

[katienoonan]

Lucy is a basset/lab and I call her a bassador and I have heard of some of the mixes you have described.

[cocker_luva]

i think that designer breeds are a huge scam for money and i think it is horrible that people breed them, and consider them purebreds!!! :mad:

[Flatcoatluver]

oh i know what your saying and i was looking and they were selling a labradoole however you spell it in the paper for 1,500!!!!!!!!! wow!!!

[Tollers-n-Dobes]

I’ve heard of all the ones mentioned plus many more but the one that bugs me the most is the so called “doodleman pinscher� and the "doberdoodle" which is a mix between a Dobie and a Standard poodle. I wish people would stop mixing these breeds, there's absolutely no excuse for it:(

[jesse_3]

Why aren't they called mutts? That is all they are, a mix between two or three breeds. You could go to the shelter and adopt a Golden Retriever/Poodle mix, instead of getting one for $1500! It is fun to "make up" names for YOUR dog, just don't breed them and sell them!

Steph and Jes

[grybai]

A Beapoo sounds like a Beagle/Poodle or something.

There's a big pet store here in town that sells designer breeds. They get their animals exclusively from backyard breeders and then sell them for hundreds (maybe thousands?) of dollars. The whole thing seems silly. Don't people realize that they're just mutts? (not that I have anything against mutts -they're all I've ever had- but why spend all that money on one?)

[Flatcoatluver]

oh i so know what you mean, i mean mutts have cool personality but all people are doing is just to make money they don't really care about the dogs, or anything and the people that do buy thease dog are not intelligent about dogs enough and they don'tknow there getting spamed...... i don't thinkakc excepted any of thease kind of breeds......... grrrrrr

[tigergrrrl]

I have heard of the Maso........

[Flatcoatluver]

Originally posted by tigergrrrl
I have heard of the Maso........
yeah thas a weird sounding dog

[Suki Wingy]

Puggle is a pug/beagle, not a beagle/ poodle.;) They are cute but there are already enough breeds to choose from.

[cocker_luva]

my friend has a puggle. :D

[Giselle]

I hope she didn't get it from a breeder PERIOD. IMO, all designer breeds can and should ONLY be acquired through a shelter or similar facility, not a breeder.

[manda99]

my sister has a puggle.
he's a spaz!! not that i dont love him but when my 75lb pitbull is showing his belly to a puggle in a submissive i just wanna play fashion and the 30lb puggle attacks.... spaz. but very cute.

[trayi52]

Yes, I've heard of them. I was listening to the news the other night, and they were talking about how they were mixing them with Poodle so they wouldn't shed all over their carpet or furniture! Why can't they just pick a dog and love them no matter what?!

Willie

[dab_20]

Jack Rat terrier is a rat terrier/Jack russel mix. They look the same as a jack russel smooth coat. very cute:) I dont think its bad that people mix breeds together. They are just as cute and make just as good pets. and are generally healthier.

[animal_rescue]

Originally posted by dab_20
Jack Rat terrier is a rat terrier/Jack russel mix. They look the same as a jack russel smooth coat. very cute:) I dont think its bad that people mix breeds together. They are just as cute and make just as good pets. and are generally healthier.

That's not quite true, a mixed breed can be just as unhealthy or worse than a purebred, and probably have a lot more problems since I highly doubt people test their dogs before breeding. umm lets take a pug and pekingnese, mix them together and you could get a dog with eyes literally popping out of it's sockets and a very difficult time breathing, doesn't seem healthier than a purebred to me...
You can get a mixed breed that can make just a good pet as well, think about all the dogs that die in shelters each year(like 4 million), that's why a lot of people don't like irresponsible breeding.

[dab_20]

Yeah your right. But some people here were saying that mix breeds aren't as good as purebreds. I have a toy poodle mix and she is the most affectionate dog i have had. and i have had 4 other dogs and they were all purebreds. (i'm not saying purebreds are less affectionate) But it is VERY true ppl are being very irresponsible about breeding their dogs.

[Flatcoatluver]

I agree 110% animal_rescue they need to stop breeding thease breed, we need humane animals to get rescued b4 there put down

[cocker_luva]

Originally posted by Flatcoatluver
oh i know what your saying and i was looking and they were selling a labradoole however you spell it in the paper for 1,500!!!!!!!!! wow!!!

i would never spend more then $75 for a mutt.

[Suki Wingy]

Most rescues have an adoption fee of $75 anywhere up to $150 because of the cost of caring for the dog while he/she is in the shelter, plus the shelter needs to keep itself running. Niño was a rare $55 which included a leather collar, microchip, thin vet lead, and neutering. He came from a shelter in a neighborhood close to ones where they don't have that much money to adopt a dog.

[Flatcoatluver]

our adoption center is 94 for dog and 115 puppies which inclue, neuter or spay, microchip, shots, blood testing, and free stuff from petsmart!

[Giselle]

Unfortunately, a non-shedding coat or intelligence is usually NOT why people buy $1,000+ designer mutts. They usually buy them because they believe the breeder's selling gimmicks. That is why designer mix breeders use the terms: rare, exclusive, one-of-a-kind/unique, original, "found nowhere else", etc. to boost their sales and hook unsuspecting buyers. Since we live in America, where, typically, price=quality, many buyers are tricked into believing that a mutt with a price tag of $2,000 is somehow "better" than a $75 mutt from a pound. As well, most people have the assumption that pound puppies are somehow inferior or mentally not right in the head, like a biter, nipper, furniture destroyer, untrainable, etc.

The human race is pretty shallow, huh?:p

[Uabassoon]

Originally posted by dab_20
Yeah your right. But some people here were saying that mix breeds aren't as good as purebreds.

I don't think anyone here was saying that purebreds are better than mixed breeds. Most people here think it's wrong to breed mixed breeds because there are already so many of them in shelters that die every day because there aren't enough homes for them. Breeding should be to better the breed. Most people here are also against breeding purebreds if it isn't done reponsibly and done to make the breed better.

[buttercup132]

people make the breeds mixed with poodles so that people wo love dogs have more of a choice of dog to choose from(if they are allergic) and the silver lab is a pure bred its a type of lab not a mix, its stupid people are making these dogs though all it dose is make more people want to breed more dogs and then more puppymills start and then i get very mad!

[Laurel Mc]

I don't know the purpose (if any) behind some of the mixes, but I know the labradoodle and other poodle mixes aren't just done to prevent shedding, but because so many people are allergic to dogs. Poodles aren't always a desirable breed so they mixed the lovable lab with the poodle to get the benefits of the lab's personality with the coat of the poodle. Not all of the mixes have this desirable coat so you have to go to a reputable breeder to make sure. I prefer mutts to pure bred and wish that ALL the breeding could be kept to a minimum until all dogs find a home, but I can see why a person with allergy issues would want a poodle mix. Its better to seek out a dog that can be allergy free, shed free and a part of the family rather than condemning one to the basement or back yard alone.

I am the proud owner of a hilarious bassador (bassett/lab). He was probably an accident and not on purpose, but he's wonderful.

[Giselle]

See, now, I know I'm beating a dead horse, but why on earth do people dislike purebred Poodles and just adore Labradors and Goldens so much that they have to mix the two breeds? And who on EARTH said that a Poodle/Lab mix will exactly have a Labrador personality and a Poodle coat? Is somebody playing God that I don't know about? :p Point blank: there are no reputable breeders of designer mixes, in my book. They all breed for the sole purpose of producing companion-quality pets. There are millions of companion-quality pets dying in shelters every year. They are simply adding insult to injury.

Besides, if you're looking for a Retriever with a curly coat, try the Curly Coated Retriever...or something like a Portuguese Water Dog or Irish Water Spaniel.

Also, when people say they're allergic to dogs, they're most likely referring to its saliva and dander. All dogs have saliva. All dogs have dander.

Alrighty. Done beating the dead horse!

(P.S. I have a "Dobrador Pintriever", but I just like to call her my doberman/lab MIX.)

[kt_luvs_kitties]

I have heard them all, hundereds of them, but the STUPIDIST ones to me were the:

chieist- chihuahua fiest
bich a poo- bichon poodle
yorgle- yorkie beagle
I dont know if I am spelling them right because they are not actually breeds:rolleyes:

I went to the vet the other day with Dora. I asked the lady sitting beside me what type of puppy she had, she said proudly "chorgle".... Chihuahua beagle or corgi beagle I suppose. Looked like a corgi mix to me. I told her that I hoped she got it from a shelter, because that is not a breed, it is a mutt. Just a mix. And she could have got it at AC for 35 dollars;) She claimed it WAS a breed and looked at me like I was the stupid one:confused::o:rolleyes:

[critters]

LOL!! I know a guy who went to a notorious puppy mill broker and paid $400 for an Intentional Mutt, who was so infested with worms and vermin that she nearly died. :rolleyes:

[rebeccadrane]

hi everyone
i have a chinese crested cross chi ! she is the most loving little girl i have ever had! she is hairless like the crested but the tiny size of a chi, i wanted a small chi but the prices are so high in london that i could not aford one, but as she was a cross she was so much cheaper because she has no kc reg! i dont think that all crosses are bad. wouldnt change her for the world!

[Twisterdog]

Every "designer dog" puppy purchased from a back yard breeder, pet store or puppy mill means that a dog in a shelter dies. Pretty simple math.

If a thousand people are looking for pets on a given day, and they buy a thousand "designer dogs" (which are mutts, plain and simple, I don't care how cute and trendy the name is), then a thousand homeless shelter dogs are killed, because the potential homes for them are now filled with expensive dogs with fancy names.

If you want a dog with a trendy name, go to a shelter and adopt a mixed breed that would otherwise be killed. Give it a cute and trendy name. Problem solved.

Pepper, whom I rescued from death row, is a chihuahua/smooth fox terrier cross. I think I'll call her a ChiFox. Whatever ... she's alive and loved. Georgie, whom I rescued from death row, is a beagle/jack russell terrier cross. I think I'll call him a Jackle. Whatever ... he's alive and loved.

[Suki Wingy]

It wouldn't bother me if they were trying to create a breed with a purpose other than scamming people and making money, but today that's just what mutt breeders are doing.
I am a fan of the Catahoula Bulldog, which started out almost 100 years ago as a cross between a Catahoula Leopard Dog and an American Bulldog. There was, however, a reason they crossed them. People wanted a dog with the drive and intellegence of a Catahoula and the strength of a catch dog to bring the ferral hog home. Up until then they had to use two dogs. It generally worked and now the Catahoula Bulldog has been an established breed for over 50 years.

Catahoula Leopard Dog
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American Bulldog
http://www.arba.org/images/American%20Bulldog1.gif

Catahoula Bulldog
http://www.greatdogsite.com/admin/uploaded_files/thumbnails/catahoula_bulldog158x_1198064679210.jpg

(American Bulldogs vary greatly in type, I'm not sure which lines were used in creating the Catahoula Bulldogs.)

I guess I'm trying to say I don't mind if someone sets out to create a breed for a purpose, and stops if it's not working the way they intended, like the Australian Guide Dog Society did when they found out their labradoodles weren't working. What gets me is when people cross breeds with the intent of making money, or creating a cute new name.

[Zoeythelsot]

My personal favorite Boxador!!! Boxer/Lab

note: This is only my favorite since theres a chance my dog is one, I did not adopt my dog because I thought he was one. And would never promote designer breeds

[lute]

Too many! Any purposely bred mixed breed is too many! I have seen some doozies too. Some I swear are bred only so the person who bred them(I'll NEVER call them breeders) can make money on cute tiny puppies with a cute name. Makes my grind me teeth every time.

[CathyBogart]

I don't recall what she called it, but I remember talking to a lady who had paid over $2k for a Chihuahua/Brussels Griffon mix. Now, I'm a fan of both breeds, but this little dog....he was, shall we say....attractiveness challenged. The breeds did NOT mix well. :(

[Alysser]

It wouldn't bother me if they were trying to create a breed with a purpose other than scamming people and making money, but today that's just what mutt breeders are doing.
I am a fan of the Catahoula Bulldog, which started out almost 100 years ago as a cross between a Catahoula Leopard Dog and an American Bulldog. There was, however, a reason they crossed them. People wanted a dog with the drive and intellegence of a Catahoula and the strength of a catch dog to bring the ferral hog home. Up until then they had to use two dogs. It generally worked and now the Catahoula Bulldog has been an established breed for over 50 years.

Catahoula Leopard Dog
http://www.crackercatahoulas.com/luframe.jpg

American Bulldog
http://www.arba.org/images/American%20Bulldog1.gif

Catahoula Bulldog
http://www.greatdogsite.com/admin/uploaded_files/thumbnails/catahoula_bulldog158x_1198064679210.jpg

(American Bulldogs vary greatly in type, I'm not sure which lines were used in creating the Catahoula Bulldogs.)

I guess I'm trying to say I don't mind if someone sets out to create a breed for a purpose, and stops if it's not working the way they intended, like the Australian Guide Dog Society did when they found out their labradoodles weren't working. What gets me is when people cross breeds with the intent of making money, or creating a cute new name.

Agreed 100%! I don't get designer dog breeding. I will never understand how anyone can breed for money :(

[shepgirl]

I disapprove of all designer breeds while dogs are dying in shelters. It's another money scam and gullible people fall for it while lovable dogs needing homes are euthanized.

[bckrazy]

I met a Pugapoo at the dog park. PUG x POODLE!

I find any dog lovable and cute, in general... just because they're a dog... but this dog looked gross. D: Not aesthetically pleasing in any manner. It was an overweight, curly, unkempt Pug, basically. It almost looked like a bunch of random dog body parts pieced together, and it walked like it either had HD/ED or would have it very soon.

The owner was so proud. I assumed he was from a shelter but, no, pet store puppy. Why???

Mixed breeds are fantastic, of course. But when people are breeding unscrupulously, with the main intent being money, NOTHING good is going to come of it. If any of these DD "breeders" actually stepped up, incorperated more than TWO breeds, went anywhere beyond one or two generation, bred reputably, and bred for a reason, and actually got together a breed club to responsibly create a breed... I would encourage them. However, all the DD trend is doing is promoting random, irresponsible breeding; period.

[Casper]

I find the names to be super lame. I saw someone advertising a "Beaglier", or rather a Beagle/Cavalier King Charles Spaniel, in the newspaper the other day.

The name puts me in mind of what little schoolchildren might say on the playground...
"My Beagle is more beaglier than your Beagle!"


I mean... seriously.

[Ginger's Mom]

The owner was so proud. I assumed he was from a shelter but, no, pet store puppy.
We met a "chug" at the park last weekend. I must admit he was quite adorable. His owner was a very nice young man, who was obviously quite proud of his dog, and enjoyed showing him off and watching him interact with the other dogs there. To be honest, I look forward to seeing them there again. However, when I asked if he rescued him, he said he got him from a breeder. :( I think the people on here understand when I say I wanted to scream, "Breeder? Breeder? What sort of breeder needs to make up names for dogs as they go along? Don't you know how many mixed breed dogs there are in shelters?" But, I just said "oh" and played with my dogs until the anger passed. If we see him and Ben on a more frequent basis I may start talking about shelters vs. breeders, but not on the first meet with a man who is enjoying taking his dog out to dog appropriate places. It's not likely to have an impact until he has some sort of idea about the type of person it is coming from any way.

[Giselle]

Like I've said before, the reason it is so difficult to educate the general public on this topic is because this is an issue of ethics.

In our collective mind...
- breeding dogs for money is *unethical*.
- breeding mixed breeds and claiming they are a "breed" unto themselves is *unethical*
- breeding mixed breeds in the midst of vast pet overpopulation is *unethical*
- breeding without performing health tests is *unethical*
- breeding dogs solely for companionship while MILLIONS of companion-quality dogs are being euthanized at shelters is *unethical*

To us, it all makes perfect sense because we've developed a certain viewpoint that blends breeding with ethics. "Bad" breeders are those who do not follow our collective ethics. "Good" breeders are those who do follow our ethics: essentially, those who breed for the improvement of the breed itself. The only way to really change the hearts and minds of the general public is to convince them that breeding is an ethical issue in and of itself. And then we can really cut down on the number of unnecessary litters being born.

[lute]

I find the names to be super lame. I saw someone advertising a "Beaglier", or rather a Beagle/Cavalier King Charles Spaniel, in the newspaper the other day.

The name puts me in mind of what little schoolchildren might say on the playground...
"My Beagle is more beaglier than your Beagle!"


I mean... seriously.

I'm with ya there! Beaglier is one I haven't heard of yet. There is a puppymiller that goes to the vet I work for. She has recently started mixing all her different breeds. She was bringing in a lot of Yorkteses(YorkieXMaltese) last year. This year it is Cavashons(CavaliersXBichons). She makes me so mad every time she comes in. She does in fact breed for money. I can't call any animal control on her because she keeps her facility remarkably clean and all her dogs are vetted. The shelter won't touch her.

[cynicallynn]

I call my dog a German Dane if I am in the company of people who know I'd never buy from a breeder; otherwise, she is just a Great Dane mix. The boyfriend's dog, an unidentifiable mutt, is a very rare and valuable specimen known as the "Urban Hybrid". :)

[Suki Wingy]

I have called my dog a North American Spotted Terrier, but more often I just call him a No-One-Knows-So-Stop-Guessing.

[Spiritwind]

I agree... honestly I don't think the general dog owning public, just your average dog owner has any clue about 1.) The pet overpopulation problem or 2.) the difference between a reputable/ethical breeder vs. an irrisponsible/unethical breeder...

A few examples...

--A month or so ago a friend of mines mom bought a Goldendoodle from a breeder, after the BC she got from a rescue didn't work out -- I knew it wouldn't work out, she couldn't give the dog the time and exercise she needed. So she got a goldendoodle. The first time I saw her they asked me what I though and I said "She's cute.... please don't tell me you got her from a "breeder"? Of course she did, and she didn't understand why they shouldn't have gotten one from a breeder..... even though I told her she could have gone to the shelter and gotten one for $60.... they didn't care how much the dog cost.. they just wanted this puppy.

When I worked at a vet clinic up in that area, we had a pet store owner that brought the puppies in to our clinic to be examined/vaccinated...etc.. most of what he sold these mixbreed dogs that were sold for somewhere between $1200 and $2000.. and people ACTUALLY paid this for a mixbreed pet store puppy.... and 9 times out of 10 within a week or two after getting the puppy from this store they would show up at our clinic with very sick puppies needing expensive treatment.....

-- Then we have a couple that I do flyball with, with a CUTE little maltese/poodle mix who I didnt know this until recently, they actually bred this dog themselves.... they know I recently had a litter and told me they were considering breeding their maltese/poodle mix with their japanese chin, for no other reason than they think the puppies would be cute. Once the lady asked me if I did anything else, or just raised dogs.... at first I didn't understand what she was talking about LOL I thought at first she asked if I breed any breed besides Collies LOL but then it clicked what she was asking.... and I was like "Oh no... this litter I have now is the first litter I've had in almsot 2yrs" LOL I don't think they realize how expensive it is to actually breed the right way!!....

-- Then most recently I got an e-mail from a lady that said she was looking for a Collie, with full registration to keep intact.. and asked me what my prices were. To start off this e-mail was a huge red flag... but I was curious what her intentions were, so I wrote her back and told her to answer her question I needed to know what she was looking for... and what her plans were for the dog..

So she wrote back and said she was looking to get both a male and female at some point, and mainly wanted a pet and best friend for her kids... but wanted the option to breed it in the future...

I wrote her back and told her I agreed, Collies make excellent pets for kids... however I could not ethically sell a dog and would not sell a dog from my breeding, with my name on him to a pet home and allow him to be bred to some random collie "down the road" for the sole purpose of creating more pets. I told her there were many many Collies in rescue and shelters that would make excellent family pets that there was absolutely no reason to breed a dog just to make more pets. I told her I've had Collies for almost 14yrs and worked hard at getting healthy, happy, quality dogs and I wouldn't allow one of my dogs to be bred to some random (probably badly bred) collie just to make more pets... and I told her any reputable breeder would tell her the same.. if she found a breeder who would let her do what she wants, I would run as fast as I could from that breeder because they dont' care about their dogs....

She wrote back and said she understood and I talked to her for a few more e-mails.. she claimed she was still interested in a collie from me and would neuter the dog... so I wrote her and asked her if she had any objection to me neutering the dog prior to leaving..... LOL never heard from her.. apparently she thought she was going to pull something over on me... lol I'm quicker than that LOL.... I've delt with crazy people like this for years...

[lute]

I agree... honestly I don't think the general dog owning public, just your average dog owner has any clue about 1.) The pet overpopulation problem or 2.) the difference between a reputable/ethical breeder vs. an irrisponsible/unethical breeder...

...and that is one of the most frustrating things EVER!!! People just assume that if the person claims to be a good breeder and the puppies are REGISTERED they are getting a top quality pup. I got news for ya! When your Yorkie ends up with floppy ears and a whopping 13lbs...at 9 months...ya...not a good breeder.



-- Then we have a couple that I do flyball with, with a CUTE little maltese/poodle mix who I didnt know this until recently, they actually bred this dog themselves.... they know I recently had a litter and told me they were considering breeding their maltese/poodle mix with their japanese chin, for no other reason than they think the puppies would be cute. Once the lady asked me if I did anything else, or just raised dogs.... at first I didn't understand what she was talking about LOL I thought at first she asked if I breed any breed besides Collies LOL but then it clicked what she was asking.... and I was like "Oh no... this litter I have now is the first litter I've had in almsot 2yrs" LOL I don't think they realize how expensive it is to actually breed the right way!!....
Someone called into the clinic I work at yesterday wanting to know when would be the best time to breed their poodle/pom/yorkie/chihuahua/n sumethin else mix to their shih tzu. She was 4yrs old. I of course told them NEVER! The best thing for the dog's health and well being would be to get her spayed as soon as possible. I don't think I got anywhere with them. They just said thanks and hung up.






She wrote back and said she understood and I talked to her for a few more e-mails.. she claimed she was still interested in a collie from me and would neuter the dog... so I wrote her and asked her if she had any objection to me neutering the dog prior to leaving..... LOL never heard from her.. apparently she thought she was going to pull something over on me... lol I'm quicker than that LOL.... I've delt with crazy people like this for years...
Stupid woman! I hope she doesn't think she'll be able to pull a fast one when she signs a contract and then tries to register a litter.

[RipplingWaves55]

It makes me angry---I agree Cocker Luva, 'designer' breeds shouldn't be allowed. People need to stop doing this. :(:(:(:(:(:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: Freedom to dogs. ><

[kokopup]

I am the proud owner of a Golden Labrador. She is not a Designer dog but an accident that I rescued. She has the best and worst qualities of both breeds. I wouldn’t have it any other way.

I have heard members complaining about all the irresponsible breeders creating all these breeds that aren’t needed. I believe the irresponsible owners are as much if not a bigger problem. In my 68 years I hate to think about all the neglect and abuse I have seen at the hands of owners. Not to mention the number of owners that feel they can allow their unneutered pets have free reign of a community. Another big problem is owners buying pets not really understanding the temperament and needs of the breed they are buying. They buy a Lab and leave it to their own devices for 8-9 hours and wonder why it shreds carpet or digs up the yard. It then ends up at the pound because it was too much trouble.

I hear of the horrors of creating designer pets and what an aberration this is. Most if not all breeds are the product of cross or selective breeding. The Golden Retriever was created in the 1800s by Sir Dudley Marjoribanks as a hunting dog. One of its ancestors the Wavy Coated Retriever no longer exist and is also the origin of the flat Coated Retriever. A latter day creation the Boykin Spaniel was a mix of American Water Spaniels, Springer Spaniels, Pointers and Chesapeake Bay Retrievers. The Prized German Shepard was created by Von Stephanitz over a period of 37 years. The Labrador that we adore in the US has a different standard here than in other parts of the world and will also has a different appearance. This was done by selective breeding. Dogs have been created for either appearance or purpose for centuries. It would be stupid to say that selective or crossbreeding is wrong since all the wonderful canine pets we now enjoy came to us this way. In a few years some of the hybrids that are under fire from our members will be AKC registered because they will be excepted as legitimate just like other
have been excepted in the past. This is the order of things.

If the labradoodle was called a “St Lawrence Water Dog” No one would question whether it was suppose to be a breed. I am constantly ask what my dog is. She looks like a Chocolate Golden Retriever and weighs almost 100 lbs. I could give her an exotic sounding name and no one would question it. I usually say she is a “Pretty Brown Dog”. She is that, and I thank God daily that she came into my life. She is truly an angel sent from above.


I believe the key here for Owners and Breeders alike, BE Responsible.:)

[panthrvamp]

ok, first let me tell u a bit about my pack I have a 2yr old, 150lb cane corso mastiff, Zeus whom is my mobility Service dog, a lab/irishsetter, so what, labster? 75lbs and 3 yrs old whom, when got her, were told she was fixed. never questioned that, till let her and Zeus out to go potty one morning in Sept07, around 5am, when went tolet them back in, small problem, yes, you guessed it, they were tied. SO,Dec2, 2007 4 hours after her water broke, we had 13 yes thats right thirteen pups! we did lose one. We kept one and at that time also had a just under year old APhrodite, whom we thought was pure corso, even had her papers. but, few days before her first heat., went from playing to attacking 4 mth old Bacchus, theone pup we did keep. he did make it and is now 75lbs. unfortunatly, her agression did not improve. mater of fat, was letting Zeus, Princess and Aphrodite in the door one day, she went after princess, bynow her cycle was well over. while breaking it up, she turned on me and went to snap after had knocked me down. needless to say, Zeus went into protection mode. oftenwhenpeople saw her they asked if she was pit. Well, after that I began to learn a lesson wish would have before got her.ALWAYS check out the breeder your buying from. are they a registared breeder? what specifically are they breeding for, how often do they breed the same bitch? etc. I remembered then he also bred pit bulls. After working with her, having her evaluated by a behavorist, whome said that clearly, she believed that not only was there some serious agression in her line, but that she questioned if she was really pure corso as much of her actions and manerisms appeared as more pit. SO had to wonder, did he breed her with his corso but maybe his pit, whome was the same exact cloloring as his male corso maybe get ahold of her also? whenhad called and told him about the attack, his comment was " so yourputting the pup down right?" I waslike, ah as of now no, if he can be treated and live a good life then why would I? well he then said yeah thats how theyget youto put out money tug at the heart strings. Then he sugested that we "get a beat down stick, beat her and put her in her kennel so she learns who's boss" I was shocked! well needless to say, there went my consideration of giving her back to him. it wasnt till then I remembered him mentioning to keep her away from the pups right after they were born, cause Aprodite's moms sister had gotten into his pits nursing area and Killed 3 of the pups . when Aphrodie was born she was oneof 7 but only 4 survived. she sat on 3 as they were being born. made me wonder, ok knew your dog was close to to giving birth, and was not keeping an eye waiting for them? I mean hell, Princess showed signs of heat around 2 that afternoon, kept eye on her, midnight she moved from the floor on the side of the bed, into the kids pool had set up for a birthing area, walked in, let her water break then went back to the side of the bed and started delivering. first pup was out at 1206am, number 13 was born at 4:15am. even our vet was shocked not only at the amount of pups, but at how quick her labor had been. WEll, we finally went to our vet with aphrodite to see if she had any thoughts. she had gotten the report from the behaviorist, whom did question if she was really pure corso as some of her reactions were more typical to a pit of her age. of course, only way would have known for sure would have been to o the expensive DNA lab work. but didnt. while waiting at the vets when first went in, she saw her agression first hand. another dog walked into the waiting area. she imediatly growlled, showing teeth and tried to get loose from my hubby. We knew what decision had to be made. we have a great vet and she was honest. her first concern was my safety as well as others, and said we did have a liability on our hands. the behaviorist had said in her report flat out, she suspected severe agression in her line of breeding. So itwasdecisiontrime. do we try to keep working, or say goodbye. It was a hard decision, but had to look at everything, the rest of my packs safety, our saftey, our guests safetly etc. SO, laying in my arms we let her go off to the summerlands. It really broke our hearts but know it was what was right, ciouldnt rehome her cause 1. would have to mention the agression, 2 what if next time it was a child she attacked? as well, as if keeping her away from the rest of hte pack, not letting her get out with other dogs etc what kind of life is that?
Now this whole new thing of designer dogs! ok, 10 years ago? the same combinations of dogs would have been called a MUTT! so what? suddenly they are not? give me a break! recently long story short, we added a new member to our pack after mother and son had jumped the fence. when got them a little terrier mix was with them. HE was in bad shape to say the least! underweight, black crusties in the corner of each eye etc. knew who owned him, at least 97% sure, but ehy had ben gone for 2 days. Iwas gonna just keep, hubby thought about the possibile issue with that when they got back and happened to see or hear him over here. so we did it the right way. noone either ever showed upto claim or they decided not to return him and is now named Apollo and is part of the pack. What is he? well, from appearences both Jill our vet and I think Cairnpoo, aka Carin terrier and poodle, a small poodle, aka lets behonest, APollo is a MUTT.
So, people, rather then going and spending what like for Apollo, go to abreeder orpet store that sells pups, which are usually from puppy mills and pay from like 300-1000+? or go toa shelter near you and get a dog that is already here, and needs a new home. do what is best! THe only way we will ever get these puppy mills to go away is
1) stop buying from pet stores! no breeder whom is breeding to better a breed, a pure breed is gonna sell there pup via a pet store. they want to be sure that they are getting what they feel is the best home for them. unlike puppy mills whom only care about a dog as long as she can still have pups every cycvle and the boys as long as they can still stud. after they are wore out and can't anymore, they are usually put down. not to mention they live there whole lives in a tiny cage.
2) Get better and stricter laws about this.
If you are getting a dog from a breeder, even if its someone whom has breed a designer if thats what you want and have the money to spendon it,
1) find out why they decided to breed, if its a pure breed, what hcarateristics arethey breeding for?
2) how long have they bee breeding
3) when there females are not pregnant, or not using the males to stud, where are they sleeping, ask to see the dogs area as well as the puppy area.
4. and this is a biggy!!! ASK FOR RECOMENDATIONS from others whom have gotten pups from them.

mind you, most of these questions should also be asked if looking for one through a pet store, and can almost guarantee you, they likely would not be able to answer you and likely could not go check out the area they lived in before getting to that store. Once when just popped in to get something and they have there display cases withdogs, they had a white bull dog for sale for 1800! could tell it had either a cold or a kennel cough. asked these questions and the guly was like, ah, I don't know, let me see if my manager does. Of course he can;t answer you eitehr but will tell you, oh we would not get a dog from a puppy mill ever!!! liers.

IT all boils down to this. if looking for a dog and not set on a certain breed or only want a pup that you will be its only owner,go to a shelter. weather county, humane society or breed specific rescue. save one of these dogs!
If only want the pure breed, check the breeder out! prior customers, are they registared for that breed etc.

hopefully one day, laws will be tough enough, thes pet stores will be gone and so will the puppy mills. Till then, people need to be aware and think when getting a dog.

BLessed BE
Deb