FURIOUS!(about pitbulls)

[buttercup132]

uggh i was just watching the news and they reported a staffiture terrier attacking a women and her daughter and then they go oh and that part of the pitbull breed blaming pitbulls allready for another dogs attack...stupid news people! they are giving pits a really bad name, o and also they had a picture of a pitbull not a staffy....i wish a dog would attack them

[future vet]

Sheesh, that'd make me angry too!! That's not right at all!!!!!

[lute]

i think people are looking for a reason to put down the pitbull. it's really sick.

[Suki Wingy]

yes, I know. Yesterday when I was talking about the am bulldog attacks with how the bitch was in heat and the dog intact, and how the mother told the sone not to go anywhere near them, and my mom STILL said "I don't care, put them down anyway!" That I got up and left dinner and locked myself in my room! And she brought an 8 month old ex-fighter into the household with two young children six years ago! WHAT has come over her!!

[jesse_3]

What is wrong with these people? I hate this whole thing. People HAVE to learn that pitties are such nice dogs!!!

Steph and Jes

[buttercup132]

i wonder wat max's mum would have to say about this

[Roxyluvsme13]

pitbulls really arent that bad of dogs...poor lil doggy my dog roxy is part pitbull and i love her to death....

[Pawsitive Thinking]

when are they ever going to learn??? Its not the breed of dog that is the problem is the IDIOT OWNERS!!!!! :mad: :mad:

[Pit Chick]

Staffordshire Terriers and Pit Bulls are the same, that's why they showed a pic of a Pit. Am. Staffs are the AKC show version of Pits.

[buttercup132]

but if they are the same breed they wouldnt be called 2 diff types of dogs, they would look the exact same..pits have a mmuch broader chest and there ears are shorter , there more musculer ect. they still shouldnt be putting the breed down when its a stffi that did it

[Suki Wingy]

Why are pit bulls banned in England and Staffie bulls the number 4 or something regestered dogs, known as the nanny dogs, then the spiral of banning hasn't happened in that country because the majority of them are not the idiots we have in the US.

[sammy101]

Staffordshire Bull Terris and Bull Terriers are very popular is England,my friend that moved from there had 2 bull terriers,their such wonderful dogs!I think its only American Pit Bull Terriers thar are banned,not sure about the Am. Staff.
I get sooo mad when the media does this whole huge story on a dog that was LOOSE!Blame the freaking owners,they should watch there dogs better,and not leave them out the back tied up!!:mad:

[Anita Cholaine]

I makes me feel really angry when people talk about Pitbulls like they were mosters.... but people can be so stupid sometimes....:mad:

There arent so many pitbulls here in Argentina, but we have the same problem with a local breed: argentine dogo. The problem is that people use them for attacking, like guardian dogs, so they dont give the dogs the love and attention they need; that's why we always hear about dogo's attacks... But a friend of mine has two of them, and they are soooo cute doggies!!! I really love them....

Here's a pic:
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/images10/DogoSad.jpg

[Bigyummydog]

Originally posted by buttercup132
i wonder wat max's mum would have to say about this
Sometimes I think about it so much, that it just turns my brain to mush. I just don't understand it. Putting down a dog because people think they are killers. What about all the murderers on death row, that we have to shelter and feed year after year? Why not just put down all the people that kill other people and not worry so much about dogs. Dogs are not the ones doing so much damage. I know that dogs have killed people, because of the way they were raised. But, they haven't done even close to the damage that people themselves do. Why aren't we doing something about that? That's all, I don't wanna start getting ugly. Besides, we are gonna take our killer pit out to play. Anyone wanna come? We've got toys.

[Suki Wingy]

I love Dogo Argentinos! That really is too bad.:(

[dogzr#1]

I highly dislike people that blame the dogs for their agressive behavior.


Bigyummydog-

"Putting down a dog because people think they are killers. What about all the murderers on death row, that we have to shelter and feed year after year? Why not just put down all the people that kill other people and not worry so much about dogs. Dogs are not the ones doing so much damage. I know that dogs have killed people, because of the way they were raised. But, they haven't done even close to the damage that people themselves do. Why aren't we doing something about that? That's all, I don't wanna start getting ugly. Besides, we are gonna take our killer pit out to play. Anyone wanna come? We've got toys. "

I agree!! Why put dogs to sleep when they have been raised to be agressive and don't know that it is wrong when, people that can make their own decisions only get a slap on the wrist. It is
REALLY unfair!

[cassieknipp1987]

This is absolutely disturbing! I cannot stand any kind of judgement on a dog, without knowing how sweet they are. I work at a Boarding Kennel/Vet/much more, and our most common boarding dogs are Rotts, we had a tour come through the other day, and I was talking to her about how sweet all of them are, and then she said " OH!, I wouldn't wanna be around one of those!" OH I was MAD!!! We have had a Am. Staff. come in, but she was very dog aggressive, but loved people. We have had to very darling Am Bulldogs, 3 chows (only one mean, we aren't sure whats upsetting him, he only likes/tolerates me, attacks the cage at everyone else....) ONe of our Receptionists breeds pit bulls, she is the one that gave me the link I posted awhile back. I don't like her way of breeding though. She is kind and her pups are kind. Her stud growled at me and snarled, but I think he was just stressed, one of her females was a sweetie. BUT, she gave into the typical look of the breed, and places large spike collars on their necks, personally, I think its bringing the breed down, to make them look tougher, that makes people think they are mean....hmmm.....maybe just my opinion, but wanted to say something, let me be quiet now, I could vent on this subject for hours, ans I need to head off for work.....
Oh and I recently adopted a Chow, and the vet at work was like no no, oh god no, a chow????? oh was I pissed, stereotypical judging of the breed again, she is a doll, sleeps in the bed and all!
Later
Cassie

[Bigyummydog]

BUT, she gave into the typical look of the breed, and places large spike collars on their necks, personally, I think its bringing the breed down, to make them look tougher, that makes people think they are mean....

Look at this big mean tough dog........

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y68/bigyummydog/100_0863.jpg

Are you scared?

[Suki Wingy]

no, Maximus makes me awww outloud!

[buttercup132]

i showed him to my freind and shes like awww hes so cute!

[cassieknipp1987]

Awww, he is always soooo cute, he has his "banky and teddy bear!" I have seen his pictures several times,he is always adorable, but honestly, many people still fear them, you all know that, and I still am not sure why they do, and yet I have been biten at work by several Shih Tzus, and a Corgi/Chihuahua mix, but never a pit, of rott, or anything like that. Makes me wonder....... I wish there was a way to fix the problem of ignorant people and annoying irresponsible owners, but honestly, I think there will always be a problem, because SOME people NEVER learn, URK, drives me crazy. I saw on TV a long time ago where two rotts got out of their yard and attacked a boy, and automatically, they started ragging on the breed, and yet it wasn't their fault....hmm....maybe people want to be afraid? BUt still why???

LA Cassie and Nala, Blaze, Jasper, Lilly, and Jasmine

[Pit Chick]

Originally posted by buttercup132
but if they are the same breed they wouldnt be called 2 diff types of dogs, they would look the exact same..pits have a mmuch broader chest and there ears are shorter , there more musculer ect. they still shouldnt be putting the breed down when its a stffi that did it

One can go insane trying to find the differences in the two breeds, but there aren't any. A show bred Am. Staff can look exactly like a show bred Pit Bull and they can be duel registered as either breed. Nothing was added to either breed to make them different. The AKC recognized Pits Bulls back in the 1930's but changed the name to Staffordshire Terriers to disassociate themselves from dogfighting. Physical appearance can be slightly different depending on who's breeding. A show bred Pit or Staff will have bigger broader muscles while a working or fighting bred Pit will have leaner, toner muslces. Ear size varies depending on why they wanted it cropped.
I agree, they shouldn't make a big deal out of the breed that attacked, they should focus on why the attack happened and how responsible or irresponsible the owner was. Any dog that attacks now days, that even slightly resembles a Pit Bull, will be called a Pit Bull because people don't really know what a Pit Bull looks like.

[Husky_mom]

I really hate the DADE law, prohibiting pits!!! they should prohibit criminals instead.

i´m not from USA but it really pisses me off when i see ignorant people blaming these poor creatures that only want to please us in any way, so if you want them to please you by doing bad things, they will, but only by PEOPLE´s command, not by their own choice.

Even a Pom, Poodle, or Chihhuahua (just to make a point) can be as agressive as a big dog the only thing they lack is size, but why blame animals, blame the people who own them and make them go the wrong path.

[Alysser]

STUPID BYB sell them to eresponsible owners and they fight them and leave them to die. People just don't understand that Pitbulls AREN'T bad. It's their stupid idiot owners. Making them fight other dogs for money. I would like to sock the in A**! They make me SO mad. They fight the dog until they get caught. Then the dog gets PTS because they are aggressive to other dogs. I HATE BYBS AND PITBULL FIGHTERS. :mad:

[cpitbulls]

Uggggghhh, makes me SO mad. Esspecialy since I have the most loving pits ever! Those STTTTTUUUPPPIIID people :mad: Makes me FURIOUS! :mad:

[areias]

It's starting to get really bad too...like in Denver they can walk into your house, remove your pitbull looking dog, and euthanize it. :eek: It's so horrible. I've been bitten by a lab, a bichon, and a bull terrier. The worst ones were by the lab and the bichon..the lab punctured my arm, and bichon tore through my thumb. And the bull terrier merely play bit me. So in reality, any breed can bite, any time. They need to ban all dogs if they want to play that card. :rolleyes: Pits were even temperment tested, and scored about the same as golden retrievers.
http://www.atts.org/statistics.html

I got so angry at my mom, claiming she would never have a pit bull because of their disposition..she's looking around a little bit at maybe adopting another dog, and she won't even consider, no won't tolerate me even talking about this wonderful 6 month old pit in a shelter near me. It's a media raised terror that is so horribly off base...gosh, I need to stop typing before I go off. It's not a topic I like to discuss, I get so ticked so easily.

[tz1]

poor pitbulls.. I personally love them, wonderful breed.

[mydogfred]

tried the other thread sometime back and got little responses.

Have a beautiful pit, rescued 6 months old, heart worm negative, spayed now, flea and worm free, needs vac's that's it, crate trained, rescued 3 months ago, learning awesome manners from my great pyr and is absolutely loving with people, children...has not shown aggression towards other dogs since the first day we got her..(over a treat and food, but never again) Lies side by side my pyr with treats, kids take treats, throw em, play with her, she has been completely socialized and rehab'd from whatever crappy place she came from(another story). In Houston area, free to good home.

And regarding this thread....It is disgusting how the media and society has targeted a breed and would like to eliminate this animal all together...it is really disguting. They basically are eliminating them by putting them down in shelters, I suppose it is just a matter of time and years before this breed is rare or possibly something worse...extinct. There are states that are looking at making it illegal to own a pitbul. I have a link in my email, I'll try and find it. It takes you to a link where you can vote on some legislature that is trying to be passed making it illegal to own a pitbull...no shi%.

raquel

[mydogfred]

additionally, I would keep this dog if I were not renting...it's just a matter of time, before my landlord threatens to evict me over this, I am sure...

[dab_20]

staffys and pits look the same.... are they the same breed??

that is sooo mean. what is WRONG with ppl??? :mad:

[tz1]

once they start banning pitts..., rottweilers, dobes, akitas, mastiffs are next... :(

[dab_20]

why akitas? (well of course why any dogs, but i have never heard discrimination against akitas.)

[pound_puppies]

Grrrrrrrrrr... I HATE THOSE PEOPLE! Pit Bulls are awesome dogs if you treat them right, I got a white pit bull from the shelter 2 years ago, she was 13 years old, and one of the most SWEET little gals ever...

[areias]

why akitas? (well of course why any dogs, but i have never heard discrimination against akitas.)

Akitas, I believe, are the Japanese fighting dogs. They are extremely protective and loyal-a characteristic of the breed. A lot of them are dog aggressive. So naturally, they're thrown in the pot with everything else.

[dab_20]

awww thats sad!!

[tz1]

akitas are the biggest of the japanese spitz type breeds..large males can get up to 130, 140 pounds. they were once used to hunt the 800 pound yezo bear in japan. it was also used for dogfighting, as it is very dog aggressive and dominant.

in my opinion, the real question is why not? ..not that I want the akita banned, it's just unfair to label 1 dog breed as "unsafe". many dog breeds are unsafe in the hands of the wrong owner...

[Addie]

a staffy and a pitbull are the same thing

[Jessika]

Is there not any way you can write to the television station and correct their obvious error??

[buttercup132]

it was a while ago now this thread was started like in october :confused: so i dont even remember the station

[areias]

I was watching the news about a "Confrontation with a dog". A dog was barking and growling (probably bluffing) at a guy and some kids, the guy went in the house, got a gun, shot some warning shots, the dog didn't go away, so he shot it in the legs, and the dogs now being treated at the vets, blah blah...

Now, you know if it was a pit, the headline would read "VICIOUS PITBULL ATTACKS CHILDREN AND FATHER" THEY MANAGED TO GET AWAY, AND THE FATHER STRUGGLED WITH THE DOG UNTIL HE MANAGED TO SHOOT IT. THERE IS NO HOPE FOR REHABILITATING THIS HORRIBLE MONSTER PITBULL. THEY WILL BE EUTHANIZING IT SHORTLY. HURRAH!

The dog was probably a golden or a lab or something. That's why pit bulls get such a bad rep-between pits and rotties, they are the only dog breeds that get mentioned.

[areias]

I just found the article, it was a boxer. So yeah, I proved my point.
http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBPB23EHGE.html

[Jessika]

I just found the article, it was a boxer. So yeah, I proved my point.
http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBPB23EHGE.html

Ughhh!! The headline reads "Man Shoots Neighbor's Dog After It Chases His Children", but if it were a Pit it would have read "Man Shoots Neighbor's Pit Bull After It Chases His Children" GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR :mad::mad::mad:

[Love4BCs]

The attitude of the Pitbull has been bred into them for years and years. Pitbull's are one of the most unpredictable breeds out there.

The Pitbull was "selectively" bred for hundreds of years to fight other dogs. This is the sad "work" these dogs were created for. In the same way that Labradors were bred to retrieve birds, Pitbulls were bred to face other dogs in mortal combats. Even in Pitbulls that are not recently bred from fighting lines, the urge to fight can arise at any time. Not to strongly emphasize this fact would be negligant.

I am not against banning Pitbulls, nor am I for it. But they serve no direct purpose to us. Why let them kill, maul and ruin children's, family's lives?

I can't say I would be upset if they banned them.

"But they serve no direct purpose to us" Explaination:
Border Collies - herding, and can be used in things such as herding, agility, flyball..

Golden Retrievers - wonderful family pets, loyal, good with kids

Beagles - hunting

Pitbulls - nothing directly, for now, they have taken to mauling and killing

Pitbulls are known to be good as family dogs, and guard dogs.. BUT.. so many people in the world are so undereducated about them. NO ONE can change that. There will always be those with the breed who have no understanding whatsoever. Just like there's no such thing as world peace.


Just my two cents, my opinion.

[tz1]

"But they serve no direct purpose to us" Explaination:
Border Collies - herding, and can be used in things such as herding, agility, flyball..

Golden Retrievers - wonderful family pets, loyal, good with kids

Beagles - hunting

Pitbulls - nothing directly, for now, they have taken to mauling and killing


Pitbulls can do all of the stuff you listed up there. And much more....

[areias]

The attitude of the Pitbull has been bred into them for years and years. Pitbull's are one of the most unpredictable breeds out there.

The Pitbull was "selectively" bred for hundreds of years to fight other dogs. This is the sad "work" these dogs were created for. In the same way that Labradors were bred to retrieve birds, Pitbulls were bred to face other dogs in mortal combats. Even in Pitbulls that are not recently bred from fighting lines, the urge to fight can arise at any time. Not to strongly emphasize this fact would be negligant.

I am not against banning Pitbulls, nor am I for it. But they serve no direct purpose to us. Why let them kill, maul and ruin children's, family's lives?

I can't say I would be upset if they banned them.

"But they serve no direct purpose to us" Explaination:
Border Collies - herding, and can be used in things such as herding, agility, flyball..

Golden Retrievers - wonderful family pets, loyal, good with kids

Beagles - hunting

Pitbulls - nothing directly, for now, they have taken to mauling and killing

Pitbulls are known to be good as family dogs, and guard dogs.. BUT.. so many people in the world are so undereducated about them. NO ONE can change that. There will always be those with the breed who have no understanding whatsoever. Just like there's no such thing as world peace.


Just my two cents, my opinion.

Okay then. Let's ban Border Collies, only people that have farms can have them. They have to be muzzled at all times, because they are herding dogs and they nip. They can only be offleash when herding, at all other times they must be in a pen or tied on a heavy chain. They are much too hyper to be a family dog, and they nip at children. So now, are you okay with that? Because you don't have a purpose for your border collie, we're going to let the government go in, take your dog, and throw it in the incinerator. Okay?

[finn's mom]

a staffy and a pitbull are the same thing

I thought an american staffordshire terrier and an american pit bull terrier were two different breeds. Hmm...going to research a little. But, if someone has a site saying one way or the other, before I find something, post it, please. I'm wondering, now! :)

[Jessika]

I thought an american staffordshire terrier and an american pit bull terrier were two different breeds. Hmm...going to research a little. But, if someone has a site saying one way or the other, before I find something, post it, please. I'm wondering, now! :)

I thought/think this too but then I think the term "pit bull" is applied to describe a group of dogs and not one breed in particular.

[finn's mom]

I thought/think this too but then I think the term "pit bull" is applied to describe a group of dogs and not one breed in particular.

Here's a site that lists them as two different breeds...... http://www.ukcdogs.com/breeds/breedlist.shtml

I said the name wrong, though...Staffordshire Bull Terrier (not American Staffordshire Terrier)...and the American Pit Bull Terrier...

Going to look at the AKC site, now...see what it says. ;)

[Jessika]

Here's a site that lists them as two different breeds...... http://www.ukcdogs.com/breeds/breedlist.shtml

I said the name wrong, though...Staffordshire Bull Terrier (not American Staffordshire Terrier)...and the American Pit Bull Terrier...

Going to look at the AKC site, now...see what it says. ;)

I checked on the AKC site, I SWEAR I saw the Pit Bull listed there before as an American Pit Bull, and I KNOW its a breed, but then its gone from the AKC site or was never there and I saw it somewhere else so it made me second-guess myself

[finn's mom]

Hmmm...interesting. The AKC lists an American Staffordshire Terrier and a Staffordshire Bull Terrier as two different breeds....

http://www.akc.org/breeds/terrier_group.cfm

Interesting. :) Learn something new every day, I guess.

[sammy101]

Yes i think the Am staff and staffordshire bull terriers are two different breeds. Staffordshire bull terriers are smaller than am staffs.

Staffie
http://www.petplanet.co.uk/petplanet/fun/postcards/breedpostcards/Dogs/staffy.jpg

Am Staff
http://www.stonesandbones.be/pics/photos/index.jpg

IMO,they look quite different.

theres also a really great website about pitbulls, i'm looking for it now. :)
-edit- here it is
http://www.understand-a-bull.com/

[.sarah]

http://www.understand-a-bull.com/
Thanks so much for that link, I'm going to order this (http://www.cafepress.com/massmadness.27911953) t-shirt and wear it at humane society events and such. :D

[sammy101]

Thanks so much for that link, I'm going to order this (http://www.cafepress.com/massmadness.27911953) t-shirt and wear it at humane society events and such. :D

thats a great t-shirt!I would love to order one too :D

[buttercup132]

I can't say I would be upset if they banned them.
well then im sorry your not a true dog.animal lover if you belive that you need to watch some pit videos and reaserch pitbulls before you decide that...
its the deed not the breed!
and yes pits and staffy's are the same breed the staffy is just another name so that they can show them in the ring ,kinda stupid really

Yes i think the Am staff and staffordshire bull terriers are two different breeds. Staffordshire bull terriers are smaller than am staffs. bull terriers and staffys are really different both bred for fighting but bull terriers have the oval nose

[Jessika]

and yes pits and staffy's are the same breed the staffy is just another name so that they can show them in the ring ,kinda stupid really

Then why does the UKC have both listed?? They have both the American Pit Bull Terrier AND the Staffordshire Bull Terrier listed as official breeds.

[buttercup132]

hmm i have no clue thats what a lady told me though and she said thats what her breeder said... :confused: :confused:

[sammy101]

bull terriers and staffys are really different both bred for fighting but bull terriers have the oval nose

bull terriers are my favourite breed. :)

i always though that Am Staffs and APBT's were the same breed,but only one was showed in the ring? This has really got my head thinking,lol :o

[bckrazy]

It also annoys me when the media sooo eagerly labels ANY bully-type dog as a "Pit Bull". the term has almost lost all meaning, anymore... because any Amstaff, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, Presa Canario, American Bulldog, and basically any mixed breed dog with a meat muzzle can be a "Pit Bull" in their eyes.

Also, Staffordshire Bull Terriers are COMPLETELY different from APBT's. APBT's are, however, basically the same as American Staffordshire Terriers... which is why the AKC has yet to recognize American Pit Bull Terriers, because they elected to recognize the name "American Staffordshire Terriers" instead. My friend has a purebred Amstaff and a purebred Staffy, both registered, and completely different dogs. Her staffy girl is about half the size of her Amstaff, and much more bouncy and outgoing. Her amstaff has a super stable, good-natured temperament but she's reserved with strangers... she has much perkier eyes and a longer muzzle, while the staffy has more drooped eyes and a bullier face.

Anyway, I'd bet anything that ATLEAST 90% of the "Pit Bulls" we see in the media attacking people and animals are not even close to being registered dogs, period. They're a mix of dozens of breeds thanks to sick fighter BYB's, and they're definitely not bred to win shows, pass their CGC test and become therapy dogs :)

[Love4BCs]

well then im sorry your not a true dog.animal lover

How dare you say that. At least I don't let my friends leave their dogs outside on a chain.

[Bigyummydog]

How dare you say that. At least I don't let my friends leave their dogs outside on a chain.PLEASE!!!

Why in the world would you want my dog dead? You don't know him, and
obviously don't know ANYthing real about the breed. Or am I wrong and you've personally owned a pittie and it killed everyone in site. Or maybe you've been physically damaged by them in some way that makes you hate them. There are several people here on PT that are owned by pit bulls. And I feel safe in saying that all the people here on PT are "true" dog lovers. No matter what the breed is. And there really isn't any sense in upsetting any of these real dog lovers by your comments, when you obviously know the things you are saying are just going to upset us all. Would it be at all possible to keep your hateful opinions to yourself? This is a dog lovers forum.

So, let's be nice shall we?

[.sarah]

The American Pit Bull Terrier (not recognized by AKC), Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and American Staffordshire Terrier are all different breeds. However, there is no breed called the Pit Bull. When people say Pit Bull it could be any one of the breeds I listed. It's wierd, because you'd think Pit Bull would refer to only the American Pit Bull Terrier, but in reality it could be any one of them.

[Jessika]

PLEASE!!!

Why in the world would you want my dog dead? You don't know him, and
obviously don't know ANYthing real about the breed. Or am I wrong and you've personally owned a pittie and it killed everyone in site. Or maybe you've been physically damaged by them in some way that makes you hate them. There are several people here on PT that are owned by pit bulls. And I feel safe in saying that all the people here on PT are "true" dog lovers. No matter what the breed is. And there really isn't any sense in upsetting any of these real dog lovers by your comments, when you obviously know the things you are saying are just going to upset us all. Would it be at all possible to keep your hateful opinions to yourself? This is a dog lovers forum.

So, let's be nice shall we?

A misconception, she never said she wanted them dead. ;)

[.sarah]

Okay then. Let's ban Border Collies, only people that have farms can have them. They have to be muzzled at all times, because they are herding dogs and they nip. They can only be offleash when herding, at all other times they must be in a pen or tied on a heavy chain. They are much too hyper to be a family dog, and they nip at children. So now, are you okay with that? Because you don't have a purpose for your border collie, we're going to let the government go in, take your dog, and throw it in the incinerator. Okay?
What a wonderful post, and so true.

What I want to say to you, Jess, is that you're not looking at the whole picture. Pit Bulls have the most publisized attacks and this is the only reason people hate this particular breed so much. I cannot tell you the countless numbers of Pit Bulls that I have met at work and have not been bitten, scratched, nor tormented by any of them. Just last Monday I was bitten by a Lab. I've been bitten by TONS of small dogs. I've been bitten by German Shepherds. And, yes, I have been bitten by a Border Collie. It has to do with the owner and breeding that the dog comes from. Besides, Pits that were trained to fight were taught to fight other DOGS, not humans. The dogs had to trust their owners so that the fights could be broken up and not have the people get hurt.

I know this was already posted in this thread, but did you look at this site? It really puts the whole thing into perspective.
http://www.understand-a-bull.com

[CagneyDog]

She's leaving, remember? So there is no point in debating it with her.

[buttercup132]

whos leaving?
[QUOTE]I know this was already posted in this thread, but did you look at this site? It really puts the whole thing into perspective.
http://www.understand-a-bull.com[QUOTE] thats a really good site i read the whole thing and totally agree with them i just wish every1 could

[Bigyummydog]

She's leaving, remember? So there is no point in debating it with her.
You're right. I forgot about that. Thanks!

[areias]

What a wonderful post, and so true.

What I want to say to you, Jess, is that you're not looking at the whole picture. Pit Bulls have the most publisized attacks and this is the only reason people hate this particular breed so much. I cannot tell you the countless numbers of Pit Bulls that I have met at work and have not been bitten, scratched, nor tormented by any of them. Just last Monday I was bitten by a Lab. I've been bitten by TONS of small dogs. I've been bitten by German Shepherds. And, yes, I have been bitten by a Border Collie. It has to do with the owner and breeding that the dog comes from. Besides, Pits that were trained to fight were taught to fight other DOGS, not humans. The dogs had to trust their owners so that the fights could be broken up and not have the people get hurt.

I know this was already posted in this thread, but did you look at this site? It really puts the whole thing into perspective.
http://www.understand-a-bull.com

I agree. I worked at the boarding kennel (and I'm going to start working there again this week)...because of their dog aggressive nature, we don't let pits board there, but of course there was enough that slipped through with being called a lab/boxer or something, and some that debated they were AmStaffs..blah blah yeah, I never felt threatened by any of them, whatsoever. Some of the breeds that I specifically remember being nervous around (I'm not discriminating against them, just making a point), was two boxers, a border collie, two chows, a couple shepherd mixes, a couple GSDs, a Rottie Mix, a couple Dachshunds, and a Bichon. Plus some of the labs were quite mouthy, and would push you over in a second, and a lot of goldens are flighty and not all there mentally...they would bite you in a second if you're not careful. The worst was the Bichon, which actually got me, a chow that came after me, and a Boxer that starting lunging and barking at my legs. The pits-absolutely NO problems with. It's not just pit bulls, it's all dogs.

The point is, they are so discriminated against, that a lot of them are only owned by people that have them, just to have a mean pitbull, the dog gets loose, and the news stories happen. You don't hear about the lab that attacked someone, or the Poodle, because it's not eaten up by the media. This is a media based fear. They were NOT bred to fight people, they were bred to fight dogs. When Pit Bull fighting first came out...any dog that turned on a handler, was immediately killed. Not so anymore, but please understand where I'm coming from. It's the good people that own pits that are being punished, the bad people aren't even being touched. They don't care if the dog is taken away, they'll just get another one, or some other breed. Banning pit bulls is NOT the answer. Licenses to own them, fees, spay and neuter contracts, is the answer.
"When pit bulls are outlawed, only outlaws will own pit bulls. "

This is a very heavy topic of mine.

[Suki Wingy]

I just want to make this plain and simple. It has gotten mixed up with the nicknames and confused. American Staffordshire Terriers (Am Staffs) and American Pit Bull Terriers (APBTs) Can be the same breed. If you register your dog with the UKC as an APBT first, the AKC won't reccognise him as an Am staff, but If you register your dog with the AKC as an Am Staff first, the UKC WILL let you register the same dog as an APBT. The Staffordshire Bull Terrier (Staffie, Staffie Bull) Used to be the same breed as the Am Staff and were bred together but broke off as a separate breed about 60 (?) years ago and since has been bred as a very different breed.
Here is so you can see how small staffie bulls are:
http://www.eastangliansbtclub.co.uk/snooker.JPG
and here is a picture of am staffs for size:
http://longfellow.zoto.com/img/45/6dacfe325754b6da9107d263ca51a27a-.jpg

[dab_20]

well i would like to bring up the best, most well behaved dog at the shelter I work at. The only dog that walks perfect on a leash, doesn't jump on you, etc. She had puppies and is a wonderful mother. She loves people and other dogs. I am in love with her, what a sweetie. She was a stray, and yet she is such a great dog. Her name is Matilda.

and guess what kind of dog she is? she is 1/2 PIT BULL.

(and forget that a said i have never met a pittie. i have met a pittie mix. lol)

[.sarah]

You're right. I forgot about that. Thanks!
I wouldn't doubt if she's still reading. She didn't leave right after she said that, either. Either way, I would say that to anyone who talks about Pitties the way she does.

[.sarah]

I don't see how we're being biased. You're probably not going to, but would you like to explain?

And, for the record, you're the one who is being arrogant. Most of the people here have been calm. But this is a heated subject.

EDIT: I think she really left this time ... her signature and avatar were just taken out. :rolleyes:

EDIT AGAIN: That last sentence is incredibly childish.

[Lady's Human]

The mayor has been notified, I'm sure it will be taken care of.

[dab_20]

thank you :)

[.sarah]

I'll edit my thread too so that I don't have her quoted. :)

I was going to send a message to Karen but Jess has been cursing for a while on this topic so I figured Karen would already have a bunch of messages regarding her.

[dab_20]

oh ok.

[Karen]

Never assume someone else has told me anything. I have removed her latest post. She will not return.

[.sarah]

Never assume someone else has told me anything. I have removed her latest post. She will not return.
Won't ever again :)

Thanks for resolving it!

[dab_20]

yep thanks!

[Pit Chick]

Wow, I leave for a little while and look at what I missed. Thanks everyone for going to bat for Pitties.

Don't feed the trolls.

[DogLover9501]

This thread is pretty old, but I wanted to clear up some confusion ;)

American Staffordshire Terriers and American Pitbull Terriers are the same thing. Staffordshire Bull Terriers *are* a different breed, they're smaller and such.

[Suki Wingy]

I thought my post was as clear as clear could be.

[Jessika]

I thought my post was as clear as clear could be.

Just because you understood didn't mean other members did...

[Ree'sKujo]

I just read the post by Love4bc on the Pitbull ban.Now I'm new here so I don't want to stir up an arguement but I feel compelled to voice my opinion.First of all I think that any educated dog owner knows that a problem dog is generally not do to the breed,but either the quality of breeding or lack of proper training and socialization.When dogs turn for the worst the majority of the time it's do to the fault of the owner.To ban any breed is to open the door for future banning of many other breeds.Secondly,I don't know how any true dog lover could agree with the banning on any breed if they were properly educated on what turns any dog into either a well behaved one or a troubled one.In fact a whole lot of times when any dog attacks it's usually on a child and somewhere down the line it's found out that the child abused or tormented the animal and if they attack another child it's because they remember it was a child that abused or tomented him or her.I have come across so many pits that are just the sweetest animals in the world.I think that post was totally biased and unfare,and no I don't own a pit I own an Akita.Just my opinion and I hope I didn't offend anyone.

[.sarah]

Don't worry about Love4BCs, she has been banned. Everyone else seems to feel the same as you do about BSL.

[Ree'sKujo]

Good to know,thanks for the FYI.

[Kfamr]

This thread is pretty old, but I wanted to clear up some confusion ;)

American Staffordshire Terriers and American Pitbull Terriers are the same thing. Staffordshire Bull Terriers *are* a different breed, they're smaller and such.



That is incorrect.


American Staffordshire Terriers are one breed.
American Pit Bull Terriers are one breed.
Staffordshire Bull Terriers are one breed.

Those are THREE SEPERATE breeds.

[crazy_caique]

There are no bad dogs(cats,birds,guinea pigs,ect..) just bad people.

[CagneyDog]

Don't worry about Love4BCs, she has been banned. Everyone else seems to feel the same as you do about BSL.

Why was she banned?

[AllAmericanPUP]

That is incorrect.


American Staffordshire Terriers are one breed.
American Pit Bull Terriers are one breed.
Staffordshire Bull Terriers are one breed.

Those are THREE SEPERATE breeds.

that depends on who you ask.

considering that you can register an AST as an APBT(like said above), i dont see how they are seperate breeds.

IMO they are the same breed just different types..one bred for performance and one bred for show.

just like with ESS, irish setters, labs, etc....working breeds.....within most working breeds there is a show type and a working type...they have similar characteristics but dont really look the same...

[.sarah]

Why was she banned?
For a post she made on this thread, which has since been removed. It was her goodbye post anyway, but it was *VERY* arrogant.

[Ree'sKujo]

once they start banning pitts..., rottweilers, dobes, akitas, mastiffs are next... :(
Their already trying to put restrictions on Akitas in Illinois,Florida and Canada.

[wolfsoul]

I am a dog groomer and have yet to be bit by any bully breeds. Most of the dogs that bite at work just "nip" -- they are telling you that they are scared or angry and to leave them alone. But the breeds that have actually tried to viciously attack me are as follows: Lhasa apsos, golden retrievers, border collies, a GSD mix, shih tzus, poodles and a few poodle mixes, cockers, springers, a GSD, and a rottie. The ones I've seen try to attack my co-workers were some of those, as well as chows, a malamute, shiba inus and a shiba mix. I do not hate any of these breeds, in fact I love some of them. I may not like the breed's general characteristics and I might not ever get one, but I am not hateful toward the breed.

Pit bulls were never just bred to kill other dogs -- they were bred to be terriers. Terriers are bred to kill other animals. Pit bulls have no more and no less terrier drive than any other terrier. Jack russels are often used to kill rats -- does this mean they are going to go out and attack a child? So why does one assume that just because a pit bull is dog aggressive that it must be people aggressive too? Most dogs are aggressive in their own way. It doesn't mean that they will go out and kill other dogs or people. And nurture can often overcome nature. Pit bulls, when raised properly, are very good family dogs and love people and other dogs. They don't just suddenly "snap." Everything happens for a reason.

[DogLover9501]

considering that you can register an AST as an APBT(like said above), i dont see how they are seperate breeds.

That's what I thought as well. I know that you can register them as either breed, or you can change your registered APBT to an AST(I believe?), so they're the same. I could be wrong, though.


Their already trying to put restrictions on Akitas in Illinois,Florida and Canada.

Not all of Canada.

[K9soul]

One can go insane trying to find the differences in the two breeds, but there aren't any. A show bred Am. Staff can look exactly like a show bred Pit Bull and they can be duel registered as either breed. Nothing was added to either breed to make them different. The AKC recognized Pits Bulls back in the 1930's but changed the name to Staffordshire Terriers to disassociate themselves from dogfighting. Physical appearance can be slightly different depending on who's breeding. A show bred Pit or Staff will have bigger broader muscles while a working or fighting bred Pit will have leaner, toner muslces. Ear size varies depending on why they wanted it cropped.


From my time in the dog show world when I showed my collie, this is pretty much how I understood it after chatting with some other show people when I asked about it as I found it confusing. It can be confusing and you can read around and have people say yes they are or no they aren't, but the fact that they can be dual registered pretty much means that basically they are. From the history I read about Amstaffs, it is like you said, people wanted to disassociate the show/family dogs they were breeding from "pit bulls" so the AKC officially recognized them as Amstaffs instead of APBT. Fighting line pits can look different from show bred the same as racing greyhounds look different from an AKC show greyhound, they are bred for performance rather than to a physical standard.

[ontariogreys]

About every 7 to 10 years the news media picks a different breed to sensationalize on, I can remember at time when it was shepherds, dobermans, followed by rotti's and now the pitts, in a few more years there will be another nasty breed in the news.

[stupid_conformists]

I've never had a pitbull, but I've known people who have had pitbulls, am. staffs., and different types of dogs that people ignorantly group together as "pitbulls", and most of them have been the sweetest things ever! If one is mean, it was the way they were trained. I don't believe that certain breeds are mean, individual dogs (of every breed) are mean because they way they were raised. :mad:

[WolvesRawk]

I hate when people just blame the pits. They're really sweet dogs! Even St. Bernards can attack people. Blaming the pitbulls for all attacks is so wrong.

[Winglover]

me too got attacked by an american staffordshire terrier.. this beast snugg up on me and tried to suffocate me.

http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/2654/dcs0028rg.jpg

[K9soul]

OMG that is adorable! I'm glad you lived to tell about it :D.

[Vela]

That is so cute haha. Gave me a good laugh, how sweet.

[animal_rescue]

aww to cute!

[dogzr#1]

Aww, that's so cute.

[dab_20]

omg sure looks scary... its a wonder how you lived through it!! lol

that is such a cute pic!!

[.sarah]

me too got attacked by an american staffordshire terrier.. this beast snugg up on me and tried to suffocate me.

http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/2654/dcs0028rg.jpg
Them pits sure are evil, aren't they?

Oh yeah ... awwwww :)

[Suki Wingy]

you should submit that to www.sorryagain.com

[buttercup132]

WAT A EVIL PIT BULL! WATCH OUT!

lol :rolleyes: hes very cute i just wanna snuggle with him!!

[LaynaBayna]

I own 2 pittbulls.... and I love em both.... Best dogs I've ever owned!!!

[rocky rennie]

i know many people in scotland with staffs great dogs good with kids :)

[rocky rennie]

no dog ever needs put down unlless terminal cancer save the dogs

[rocky rennie]

you have a really nice looking dog **** what the world says about them boxer lover is correct what he is saying the owners have a part to play not just the bad pres :mad:
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[buttercup132]

umm excuse me please WATCH YOUR LANGUAGE! there are young kids around here!!!!!

[beyond_me]

Hi, I'm new to this but I just had to write when I read what everyone was writting about. I have an Am Staff and a Pit Mix and I would never be scared of them. When I first picked up my Am Staff (Cali<3) She wasn't very human friendly and my work group had a camping trip, so I thought I would socialize her and took her. She barked at every on and would growl whenever anyone came near. Then she would get use to them and be fine, till they changed. (she wouldn't remember them) But I took her to dog daycares, had people visit and now she loves people. And my pit mix, I just picked her up and she loves people more then any dog I have ever seen. People walk by when I walk her and she just stares and doesnt give up when we walk by. She has to say hi to every one. Bad thing though she was a stray and she has tick fever and demodex so notbody wants to pet her. I feel so bad. When she gets better I want to check into her being a therapy dog. I think she would live to do that!!! Anyway I love Pits, Am Staff, well any dog. There are always a few in every breed that might have a screw loose, but gosh how many people have screws loose? Pits just have the jaw power and teeth. That's all!!!