help needed NOW

[cali]

I need help with Misty NOW,I will NOT wait 5 freaking days for someone to reply(im sorry I am just REALLY mad right now) the past couple of days, when I walk Misty, she honest to god stops to take a piss every 5 flippin seconds, I just went through an hour of this, and I cant stand one more second of her insistant peeing, so until somebody tells me how to make her knock it off she gets no more walks. :mad:

[Kfamr]

Maybe she has some sort of medical problem that makes her have to pee?

[cali]

heh now that my head is a little clearer I should perhaps explain that she is not flat out peeing, she is just marking, she has always been the top bitch in my house(dog wise of coarse) and she has always marked over my other dogs in the yard, but she has recently started marking outside the yard, for example marking peoples yards, and telephone poles and the like, its the same way some males dogs mark everything in sight, only I have never had a male that did this lol so I dont have a clue how to break it.

[wolfsoul]

Leather did this all the time until we spayed her. Maybe Misty just feels more territorial because she's intact. I know how annoying it is to have them suddenly stop and not go when you're trying to go, especially when they have to sniff around for two minutes before they pee. It's pretty frustrating.

[cali]

ok, probably, but aside from spaying her, how the heck do I make her stop? lol

[Shelteez2]

I would also think it has something to do with her being intact... is it possilbe she could be coming into season soon?

I would probably treat her like I treat my dogs.... I'd put her on a leash and just keep walking... Leash time is my time. If I'm walking my dogs on a leash I am trying to get from point "A" to point "B" I have no time for stopping and sniffing.

[cali]

Misty is always leashed on walks, I try to keep going but that dog can pull insanly hard, when I give her a tug and say "no" she just gets scared of me, her tail tucks her ears go back and she slinks away scared, she is a very soft dog, I hate it when she is afraid of me, but its got to stop lol

[Shelteez2]

I wouldn't say no though.. I'd just keep walking like nothing happened.....

Clipse is extremely soft too... he doesn't get any corrections...

[Tollers-n-Dobes]

My Uncle's Cattle dog is like that also. When I walk her I usually just keep walking and pulling her a bit and sometimes if that doesn't work I distract her with a toy or something else that she likes. I don't know if that'd work for Misty or not but I can't think of anything else to suggest. I hope you can figure something out for her. Good luck!

[Giselle]

Exercise her hard. No leisurely walks. When a dog is running, she has no time to duck her head and sniff the pretty flowers.

Of course, I always recommend spaying her. I think you OFA'd and CERF'd her, right? If not, then either spay or test her (I think you did...). Other than that, remember that a dog's nose is its strong point. When Happy goes on a walk, she uses her nose to "discover" the place in the same way we take in sights with our eyes. Because of this, I never rush Lucky because he sets his own pace. If he wants to mark, then that's fine with me. I won't get angry because he's answering "nature's call" ;)

[ginagt]

If she has not been spayed then she is marking, she is letting all the male dogs know where she is. Before I had my boyfriends 8 year old Golden Retriever spayed she peed, right in front of me in the house 2x's. When I asked the vet about it she said she is marking so all the male dogs would know where she is. If you want this problem to stop you need to have her spayed. You can find low cost clinics in your area if money is an issue.
In the mean time I would stop taking her for walks ( for your sanity) and just throw the ball or whatever for her exercise.
For the pulling you can try a Gentle Leader, they work great and no more pulling. Good luck.

[cali]

she will not be spayed as there is a chance of breeding her, and yes Giselle you are right, she has already been tested. and she see's sheep for the first time in 2 weeks for a herding clinic(grad gift from my dad lol) although you have no idea how much we would LOVE to have Blair neuterd lol but we dont have the money right now to to neuter him(obviously I would not be breeding Misty till I have money lol) and there no such thing and a low cost spay neuter clinic here. I already use a haltie for her pulling although I am working on being able to stop useing it because she absolutly hates wearing it. yesterday I put her pulling to use...I attached a long leash to my friends scooter put her in a harness and off we went lol that was fun and it really wore her out, people were looking at us and saying "that looks like fun" as I was standing on a scooter whipping down the bike path pulled by a dog and Happy trotting beside me lol normaly they are both off leaah at the path, she was running and pulling me behind her, very fun.. exapt when she comes to a sudden stop, and pulls to the side to pee thats when I was slamming my feet to the ground trying to stop lol she did not do it to much on the path, but on the way home she would not stop, she started this during her last season, now I am begining to wonder if she realizes she is not is season? I meannormally now is when she is in season, she went into it a month early, so she just came out of season but normally right now she would be in season..

[dragonchilde]

Why is there a chance of breeding her?

Is she a papered purebred? If so, is she an outstanding member of her species? The only reason to breed a dog is to improve the breed, and even then should only be undertaken by reputable breeders.

If not, there's no need to breed, at all, and many, many reasons not to... not least of all her marking. You're shortening her lifespan and leaving her open to a lot of possible problems and complications by not having her spayed.

You can't break a dog of a habit that is so second nature. "punishing" her by not taking her for walks won't do any good. Just be patient! Do you have somewhere to be, when you're walking her? Just let her enjoy herself, if she's not hurting anything.

As an alternative, follow what someone else suggested and take her for runs, not walks. Both of you will get better exercise, and she'll probably have more fun. :)

[clara4457]

Bottom line is - if you are not going to spay her, you are just going to have to deal with it. I'm sorry, but I get really tired of people having problems with an unaltered dog and then complaining about the consequences. You don't want to spay her - FINE - then DEAL.

And as far as marking goes - it is not necessarily about dominance. Many times it is about stress and making an area familiar.

[cali]

dragonchilde, I know what I am doing, I plan to breed WORKING border collies, there is a chance of breeding her because I cant prove her until I have moved(the move was post poned it was supposed to be this summer) and can get sheep. breeding would not take place for a couple of years as she needs to learn how to work sheep and then I intend to trial her, if she does not prove herself or she fails any of her health tests later she will be spayed, the first weekend of June we are going to a herding clinic, she will have a whole weekend to get a feel for sheep. she herself is a working bred pure bred border collie, she is not papered because she is from a farm and in the working world if the dog can work nobody cares if the dog is papered, papers dont mean a dog can work lol I already know all that stuff about breeding, I do not need lectured thanks.

I did not mean it about not taking her for walks I was just mad. and I always take her for runs, think a walk would actually tire her out? lol the walk is getting to the parks, I do not drive, I walk everywhere.

[Dixieland Dancer]

Originally posted by clara4457
Bottom line is - if you are not going to spay her, you are just going to have to deal with it. I'm sorry, but I get really tired of people having problems with an unaltered dog and then complaining about the consequences. You don't want to spay her - FINE - then DEAL.



That is NOT the bottom line. I really get frustrated with many people believing that spaying or neutering their dogs is the cure all answer when it is NOT! I believe it is the easy out answer for many people. It is not the answer for all dog on dog aggressiveness, marking behaviors or even preventative health issues. The real bottom line is.... Just because your dog is intact does not mean it can not be trained.

Dixie is spayed (after having a very beautiful, well thought out and planned breeding) and she still marks. Take her to the dog park and let her run and it will amaze you how often she squats to pee. Why? Because she is alpha. Take her on a walk (leisurely stroll) and watch her mark! Why? Because she is alpha. NOT because she is intact or fixed.

The solution to your delimia is simple. Teach her to heal and then walk briskly (instead of giving her the opportunity to stop and mark) and you won't have the problem. She needs to know you are out for a walk and not a leisurely stroll. I usually don't make the dogs do a formal competition heal if we are just out for a walk but I do make them do a loose leash heel. It is my pace that determines what kind of walk we are on.... not theirs.

[lv4dogs]

DD has some great advice!
Heal & a leave it command would work wonders for this problem.

You say you run her not walk her, I'm wondering how she has time to stop & smell & pee. Running should keep her mighty occupied & you on the go so she can't stop.

Raustyk is spayed, was spayed right at 6 months old. She started marking AFTER she got spayed so spaying may NOT be the solution.

But I do have to strongly suggest that with her issues of suddenly peeing a lot both in & out of the house I would personally go right to the vet, spend $10-$20 for a urine sample just to be on the safe side. All ya got to do is get a sample & drop it off, no need for the dog to go.


Good luck!

[ParNone]

I have to agree with Dixieland. Murph was neutered by 6 mos, before he'd started marking anything. But as he matured, he did start marking and if you let him, he'd be stopping the walk to pee every 5 secs.

I compromise with him, but it's not something you just have to live with. At the beginning of the walk, I let him pee on every tree and bush he wants too. After a few minutes, I say "Let's Go" and I just take off walking. From that point, he has to keep pace.

He has worked out a system, where he runs in front (no pulling, just to the end of the leash), finds a spot, sniffs, then pees real quick. I never break stride. He has until the leash runs out behind me, then he runs to catch up and start the process all over again. As long as he's not pulling or tripping me or slowing me down, I figure if he can get some peeing in, go for it.

Par...

[lv4dogs]

Originally posted by ParNone
I have to agree with Dixieland. Murph was neutered by 6 mos, before he'd started marking anything. But as he matured, he did start marking and if you let him, he'd be stopping the walk to pee every 5 secs.

I compromise with him, but it's not something you just have to live with. At the beginning of the walk, I let him pee on every tree and bush he wants too. After a few minutes, I say "Let's Go" and I just take off walking. From that point, he has to keep pace.

He has worked out a system, where he runs in front (no pulling, just to the end of the leash), finds a spot, sniffs, then pees real quick. I never break stride. He has until the leash runs out behind me, then he runs to catch up and start the process all over again. As long as he's not pulling or tripping me or slowing me down, I figure if he can get some peeing in, go for it.

Par...

Haha, thats what I do with my dogs. It is a great system!

[cali]

lol oh she is not peeing in the house its ONLY on walks lol I guess I will try just ignoring her and keep walking? I just tend to stop because I am never sure if she is peeing or pooping, cuz of coarse I have to pick it up if its the latter...

[lv4dogs]

Originally posted by cali
lol oh she is not peeing in the house its ONLY on walks lol I guess I will try just ignoring her and keep walking? I just tend to stop because I am never sure if she is peeing or pooping, cuz of coarse I have to pick it up if its the latter...

I'm sorry, I got her confused with Blair.
How is Blair doing anyways?

[JenBKR]

I also don't think marking always has to do with being fixed. My dog is neutered, and he tries to mark constantly while we walk. I haven't had him for long (almost 2 weeks), so I am still trying to teach him to heal and walk at my pace. I got some good ideas from you guys, though, and I will have to try them out. Thanks!

[KYS]

posted by lv4dogs:Heal & a leave it command would work wonders for this problem. >>>>>>>>>

I use the leave it command too. :)

You already got excellent advice but I had to add...

Nobody pees/marks like Rocky.
We have a joke around my family, that
he has a bottomless bladder when it comes
to marking. When I get tired of his marking I
start useing the Leave it Command on our walks.

You can always use a Gentle leader on her, than
controlling her head/body movement is a peice of cake.

[Suki Wingy]

I have trained Niño the "no pee" ok pee" commands and that really works.

[cali]

I'm sorry, I got her confused with Blair.How is Blair doing anyways?

lol thats what I figered. Blair is actually dog much better now, there has still been a few accidents but not nearly as many as before, and he has started asking to go out again :)

[cloverfdx]

He has worked out a system, where he runs in front (no pulling, just to the end of the leash), finds a spot, sniffs, then pees real quick. I never break stride. He has until the leash runs out behind me, then he runs to catch up and start the process all over again. As long as he's not pulling or tripping me or slowing me down, I figure if he can get some peeing in, go for it.
Lol that is what i do with Elvis and i seems to be working well. El was also neutered at 7 months and that was all fine, he hit 18 months old a month or so back and started marking "everything", so it is not an intact thing ;).

[lvpets2002]

Misty & Happy look so sweet. Hey try taking a spray water bottle with you on your walks & squirt a little water on her tail end when she starts to make markings & see if that helps. Hope it will distract the idea for the moment.

[sandragonfly]

intact or fixed..not always. ugh.

I don't have that problem with my dog but from my common sense, what would I try to do is walk..and think of a spot, regular, same spot, (if you walk the same route daily or so) but just pick a spot you would let misty take a break.

if misty starts to do her business, scream firmly, NO! and pull. then until to your spot you want her to do it. "(command you make up)" -- again and again... maybe go from three spots to one spot with practices and time! it should work!

let us know if any better, many lucks! :)

[jennifert9]

I'm with Par! Duncan marks EVERYTHING when we go for walks!! I let him do his thing and either catch up or he gets the head jerk (I use a a gentle leader on him) Many times, we will be walking and he stops ALL the time to pee!! But, really, what do I care!! It reminds me of that joke wher ethe dog says to the owner: "Hey, whose walk is this anyway?!" I don't care really, I've been out in the world all day, he hasn't, let him sniff and prove his point all walk long! It's not like we need to be somewhere, we're just walkin;! :D
And Candy is correct,as usual;) If you want to go for a formal walk, then do so...if it's a casual walk, let her do it, who cares? Misty is enjoying it and it makes her feel important in the 'hood! :D

[aly]

Although marking isn't always linked with intact pets, it quite often is the case. I know fixed pets can be markers just as much as intact ones can have no marking issues. BUT often it is due to being intact. Not that spaying/neutering solves all problems, but it can help and it is healthier. It definately doesn't hurt. I know she's planning on breeding, but I just wanted to make that point because I think that is what Clara was saying.

[sandragonfly]

aly,

since it's not always a solution...why must? what if it's not for misty?

while my advice and other training advices could be a solution for every dog..unless you say there's a dumb one out there. :p

and isn't it, fixing a common solution for just males?