A poll for the women...

[CathyBogart]

Do you find yourself beautiful? I read a really sad statistic recently that said that only something like 5% of the women in the world find themselves beautiful, and I was curious.

[wolfsoul]

Mmm...Pie.

For me, it depends on the day, my mood, the people around me, etc. I know I'm not ugly, but I don't think I'm beautiful by any means. I think I'm very lucky to look the way I do, because I'm not physically horrendous...And I've had more than a few cat calls come my way... ;) :p Hehe.

I just looked in the mirror, decided I look pretty good today. So I'm gonna vote yes. Besides, beauty is what's on the inside! :)

[sammy101]

i think i'm pretty:)but not beautiful. i dont think that everday,theres atleast one day a week when i look like total crap:rolleyes: lol.The only thing is that i need to shed a few pounds;) which i've already lost around 5.I'm getting there!I'm not a self concious person,i could really care less about what people think of me.I have friends and family that love me for who i am and what i look like:)

i agree,Beauty comes from the inside

[Uabassoon]

If we are just talking about on the outside then I say yes, LOL well I think I'm beautiful on the inside as well. I think I'm very unique looking so I realize not everyone is going to find me physically attractive but I'm ok with that.

A while back I was at a bar and had someone approach me, I said that I was seeing someone but I was up for some friendly conversation. Then the person told me that I looked different and there wasn't a single person in the room that looked like me and it got her attention. I think that was the biggest compliment anyone has ever given me about my looks.

However in the past year I've lost close to 50 lbs and I think that's affected how I see myself. But when I was heavier I still saw myself as beautiful, I think every person is beautiful. Everyone has their own unique qualities, everyone is special and that's what makes a person beautiful.

[slick]

I voted....and that's all I'm going to say.

[wolflady]

I don't think I'm beautiful at all. I guess I'm OK looking when I'm at a decent weight, but I'm just plain ugly with all of the weight I'm carrying right now. Media has definitely had a negative affect on my view...that's for sure...:rolleyes:

[Logan]

I do not think I am beautiful, physically. Thank goodness my husband does, though!!! :)

[PJ's Mom]

I'm not at all beautiful. Ugly is a better word. :p

[lizbud]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.:D I have been told
that I am an attractive woman.:p

[slick]

I don't think I'm beautiful at all.
Karen, it bring tears to my eyes to hear you say this. You have one of the most radiant smiles I've ever seen and you can light a room (or a back yard :D ) just by being there.

but I don't think I'm beautiful by any means.
Jordan, the last time you were down here all I could see in your face was beauty. Please hold on to that and don't let anyone tell you that you're not. Now, go and get those CD's warmed up for July. ;) :p

[CathyBogart]

Every time there's a picture thread here I see so many gorgeous PT'ers...

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by slick

Jordan, the last time you were down here all I could see in your face was beauty. Please hold on to that and don't let anyone tell you that you're not. Now, go and get those CD's warmed up for July. ;) :p
Don't flatter me, I'll turn into a snob! :p

I was just singing karaoke a couple of minutes ago...LOL.

[Desert Arabian]

There are some days where I feel gorgeous and other days where I feel hideously ugly. 90% of the time I feel ugly. When I look in the mirror I am constantly finding little flaws that make me crazy and I wish I didn't have them. I really wish the mirror was not invented, it is my worst enemy....ick, ick, ick....:(

[Uabassoon]

I'm amazed at how many people here are voting no. I wish that women would understand that it's the little flaws that make them beautiful. If everyone looked "perfect" the world would be boring, everyone would look the same.

[CagneyDog]

No, not at all. I'm fat and ugly.

[GraciesMommy]

There is something beautiful about EVERY woman...and yes, I am beautiful....I know this to be a fact because my husband told me so and he wouldn't lie to me LOL

[Jadapit]

:rolleyes: Me beautiful? HA! I wish. I need to lose some weight and I would feel a little better about myself.

[dukedogsmom]

I voted no also. A big part of that is I've let men affect how I feel about myself my whole life. I'm to a point now that I don't care about them. The majority of men are so shallow and superficial. No matter how they look, they expect a skinny model type woman for themselves. So, the next time I lose weight, it will be for me and no one else. Besides, no man can fill Duke's shoes, so to speak. Has anyone else had this negative experience with men?

[CagneyDog]

Originally posted by dukedogsmom
I. No matter how they look, they expect a skinny model type woman for themselves.

Exactly.

It's sad:rolleyes:

[PJ's Mom]

Originally posted by dukedogsmom
Has anyone else had this negative experience with men?

I'm married to a negative experience. :D

[GoldenRetrLuver]

No. I don't think I'm pretty, beautiful, cute, what have you.

I have EXTREMLY low self esteem. I've been told that I'm pretty, but I honestly don't believe it.

[cocker_luva]

i personally think im beautiful and am told often, so im guessin its true. :)

[zippy-kat]

I have pretty crappy self-esteem which is largely perpetuated by tons of negative self-talk and, to a lesser extent, physical appearance. By no means do I think I'm beautiful or pretty or anything of the sort and I have a really hard time accepting compliments. I absolutely loathe the way I look and I don't see how anyone could see me differently. (Can we say anal-retentive, overtly perfectionist, OCD tendencies? :o )

[Uabassoon]

Tonya you're just being silly. I've seen pics of you before and you are gorgeous!

[slick]

Originally posted by zippy-kat
I have pretty crappy self-esteem which is largely perpetuated by tons of negative self-talk and, to a lesser extent, physical appearance. By no means do I think I'm beautiful or pretty or anything of the sort and I have a really hard time accepting compliments. I absolutely loathe the way I look and I don't see how anyone could see me differently. (Can we say anal-retentive, overtly perfectionist, OCD tendencies? :o )
I beg to differ....and we'll discuss this in July.....
Laura, I couldn't agree with you more!

[jazzcat]

I voted no and it's mainly because of my weight. I have been fat all my life except 10 years ago I lost a ton of weight and I felt great about myself until I started attracting attention I was not used to and it made me very uncomfortable, almost frieghtened. Anyway I believe that was main reason I've let myself gain back all the weight but now I have no self esteem. I used to be one of those females who would never be caught dead without makeup and hair perfect but the past year or so I've gotten where I hardly wear it and just recently I quit coloring my hair and dyed it back to my drab boring mud brown. I just don't care anymore. I kind of prefer to fade into the background anyway.

[PJ's Mom]

Awww, Lori. It makes me sad to see you saying that. :( You're such a terrific person. :)

I suppose I can relate to most of it though.

[janelle]

Have you ever seen the stars and models without make-up? They look very different. If one looks at magazines you get a distorted idea of beauty. Air-brushed pics takes pounds off and makes everything look perfect. LOL

[Nomilynn]

I can't really answer this poll because it depends on the mood I'm in. However I just wanted to reply to a couple things people have said..

I agree totally with Laura. She is so right when she says everyone is beautiful in their own way.

Tonya, I've told you this a million times and I will say it a million more - you have the most beautiful soul of any person I've ever been blessed to know, and you are truly special.

I have days where I feel like crap and others where I feel great - but I think if I look deep down inside I know I'm beautiful in my own way :)

[aly]

No way, Jose.

[finn's mom]

Originally posted by aly
No way, Jose.

Horsecrap. I have a photo of us in the Sonic parking lot. And, describing the photo, I'd have to say two beautiful women are in it. And, you can't argue with my logic, so, don't try. ;) I would have voted "hell, yes" if it had been an option. ;)

[Maya & Inka's mommy]

I "used to" be. About 20 years ago.... ;)
Now, I've gained to much weight, and being sick quite a lot, created uncountable wrinkles on my face... :( . I've always looked a lot younger than I am though :D

[ChrisH]

No, I've never been beautiful. Now I'm older, carrying too much extra weight and have a whole lot of wrinkles, I certainly haven't improved with age. :D But you know what, I am truly comfortable with that, I'm just glad to be still here! :D

Chris

[neko1]

Not at all. I've never seen myself as beautiful. I have low self esteem too. I also have a hard time accepting any compliment(but they are few and far between anyway). It also doesn't help being good friends with a girl who's constantly told that she's pretty, guys always look at her and try to pick her up:rolleyes: Thank god I already have a man or I'd be really depressed!

[GraciesMommy]

I stand by my statement..there is something beautiful in ALL women..
You gals are too hard on yourselves..I have seen several of your pics and I would call you beautiful ladies

[IRescue452]

I was so torn between beauty and pie. Only get to select one option. Why must this world be so cruel!?!
But seriously I think of myself as quite the looker, if only I could get rid of my darn glasses. Not many people agree with that, yeah, 5'1" Native American who weighs +/-140lbs and has muddy brown unruly hair, I think other people might see me as not beautiful but I'm such a brat that I can spend hours in front of the mirror admiring myself. I don't have any self-confidant problems that have to do with my looks as the thought of somebody thinking of me as ugly never crosses my mind when I'm out and about. I know many many beauiful people who see themselves as ugly and can't accept it when I tell them that they look pretty. They always have a snappy comeback when I honestly tell them they look great. I guess they must measure themselves up to the skinny little singers and movie stars, gag. Who wants to look like a bleach blonde skeleton?!!

[ramanth]

I clicked yes, but I usually use the word pretty vs. the word beautiful.

I think I'm beautiful on the inside despite a few flaws on the outside. :)

[lv4dogs]

Originally posted by wolfsoul
Mmm...Pie.

For me, it depends on the day, my mood, the people around me, etc. I know I'm not ugly, but I don't think I'm beautiful by any means. I think I'm very lucky to look the way I do, because I'm not physically horrendous...And I've had more than a few cat calls come my way... ;) :p Hehe.

I just looked in the mirror, decided I look pretty good today. So I'm gonna vote yes. Besides, beauty is what's on the inside! :)


Oh my goodness, I feel exactly like what you typed. I couldn't agree more.

[LKPike]

everyone tells me I'm pretty, fiance actually does say i'm "beautiful" or "sexy". but I don't think so :o :o :o

[jenluckenbach]

No :(. Not even if I try real hard.

[Kfamr]

No.

[wolflady]

Originally posted by neko1
Not at all. I've never seen myself as beautiful. I have low self esteem too. I also have a hard time accepting any compliment(but they are few and far between anyway). It also doesn't help being good friends with a girl who's constantly told that she's pretty, guys always look at her and try to pick her up:rolleyes: Thank god I already have a man or I'd be really depressed!

I know what you mean. It's really hard for me to understand how all of my "girl friends" can be so beautiful and like someone homely like me! :eek: LOL
I'm like the stereo-typical short/fat person that everyone likes,...but never gets looked at by the guys because my girlfriends are so much better looking. :rolleyes:

I have no idea how I snagged a husband! :eek: LOL LOL

[lizbud]

I really can't believe so many here think that they are not
pretty, beautiful, attractive,etc.:confused: Just what kind of
standard are you using to judge yourselves?

[slick]

Lizbud....
What I really think about myself is too personal for me to post here but what I will say is this.

Past experiences can have alot to do with how women view themselves. I do find it hard to believe that some women who are happily married and have a loving husband/partner, also have low self-esteem. We all know that our own self-esteem only comes from within and not someone else, but when I was dating someone for a few short months in 2001, I was on top of the world. I was pretty, beautiful inside and out and I was desireable. Just don't ask what happened when the bomb dropped. :(

[jenluckenbach]

Just what kind of standard are you using to judge yourselves?
Well, I just look in the mirror. I don't expect, nor do I wish, to look like a celebrity or model. but my hair never does what I want, no style has even looked good, I have bad skin even at 42 years old, I have an overbite so from the side it looks like I have no chin, My teeth are far from even nice looking and I am fat.

BUT! I am who I am and I am not feeling sorry for myself. But since the question was "Do you think you are beautiful?" my only answer could be NO!

[lizbud]

Originally posted by jenluckenbach


BUT! I am who I am and I am not feeling sorry for myself. But since the question was "Do you think you are beautiful?" my only answer could be NO!



Hummm, so if the question was "do you think you are pretty,
attractive, good looking, etc", then your answer would probably
be different?

I've seen a lot of posted pictures & have never seen an ugly
person. :D

[wolflady]

Originally posted by lizbud
I really can't believe so many here think that they are not
pretty, beautiful, attractive,etc.:confused: Just what kind of
standard are you using to judge yourselves?

I guess it's just an ingrained thing for me. I was always the ugly kid that everyone taunted and made fun of. I barely even remember 1st-8th grade because it was so horrible. I've actually blocked most of those years out of my life.
I went to a private school, so I was with the same mean 20 people for 8 years. I hated it. People made me cry all the time and picked on me.
Things were better in high school, since there were so many more people to choose from, but I still had people make fun of me because I'm not pretty like all the other girls :rolleyes:

College was by far the best, because everyone is anonymous and by then, I think people are way more mature. I guess you could say that low self-esteem was implanted in my by years of torment. Plus, the media does nothing to help.

I really do wish I had a better view of myself, but I don't. Especially now that I'm fat, I feel even worse. I just don't know how to feel better.
:(

[slick]

See, I just don't understand. If only you guys to see yourselves through my eyes. **sigh**

I've seen a lot of posted pictures & have never seen an ugly person.
Me neither. Go to the Pet Talkers pictures website and you will many beautiful faces there......including your's, Jen. :)

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by lizbud
Just what kind of
standard are you using to judge yourselves?
I just go by my own standards. I hate my nose. HATE it lol. Everyone says it's perfect, but it's not. It's too short and it's got a bulb on the end of it. Apparently only I can see it LOL. And I hate my chin. It's too round and pudgy. My hair is curly, so I have to straighten it. I wish I had nice, straight hair. I think my jaw is too wide...And I'm not fat, but I would love to lose some weight. And my legs are ugly too. There we go...I think I've narrowed down my problems...Now sign me up for one of those reality makeover shows! ;)

[jazzcat]

Here is Kirsten's Pet Talkers (http://www.pettalkers.de.vu/) page with pictures of many of us who have posted here and I feel each and every one of us is beautiful in our own way, even myself. Currently I just don't feel I look even half as decent as I did in my picture. That was taken a year and half ago and I think I've really gone down hill since. :(

[wolfsoul]

I should get my picture up there. Though my hair changes every month, so it will always be out of date lol.

[lisalee]

I certainly wouldn't say beautiful, but I'm ok with how I look.

Has anyone ever gone to the site
hotornot (http://hotornot.com) you post a picture of yourself and your rated by thousands of people. Crazy but true. Well, I'm rated over an 8 on that site, suppossedly. I somehow don't believe anyone is a 10. Except, of course my boy Sash!;)

[lizbud]

Originally posted by slick
Lizbud....
What I really think about myself is too personal for me to post here but what I will say is this.

Past experiences can have alot to do with how women view themselves. I do find it hard to believe that some women who are happily married and have a loving husband/partner, also have low self-esteem. We all know that our own self-esteem only comes from within and not someone else, but when I was dating someone for a few short months in 2001, I was on top of the world. I was pretty, beautiful inside and out and I was desireable. Just don't ask what happened when the bomb dropped. :(

Maybe this feeling is just temporary then.One of those down
periods of someone's life. Please don't give your power away
like that for anybody.

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by slick
I was pretty, beautiful inside and out
You still are! You're awesome, don't feel bad about yourself. :)

[slick]

Originally posted by wolfsoul
You still are! You're awesome, don't feel bad about yourself. :)
OK, you're not supposed to make older people cry....so stop it!!:( :o ;) Thank you Jordan....I really need to learn how to accept compliments....{{{hugs}}}

Lizbud: I'm much stronger now and have made a vow never to be caught up again. In fact, I've built a wall so strong that it will never come down again.....which, in itself, is NOT a good thing.

Yes, you've probably guessed that I'm not too keen on myself and that I have issues but who doesn't? It's what we decide to do about it. I can fill myself with negative talk all day long...call myself stupid, ugly inside and out, as well as tell myself that I'm worth nothing.....or I can choose to accept myself along with all my foibles and remind myself that nobody is purrfect.

......and yes, I'm working on the latter but after a lifetime of badtalk, it can't happen overnight.

[lizbud]

......and yes, I'm working on the latter but after a lifetime of badtalk, it can't happen overnight.


You are so right.:) Keep on truckin' :D

[Luvin Labs]

I don't think I'm beautiful, I think I'm ok looking... heh... I weigh a LOT more than I'd like, I look like I'm way pregnant in the buff (gross image comes to mind), I could go on... but I do get the 'second glance' from guys sometimes (either cuz of my chest or cuz I'm so nasty they gotta look like at a car crash)...

with that pet talk picture page, ya'll are pretty!

[zippy-kat]

Laura, Slick, Nom -

:o Thanks but I just don't see it.

To answer Lizbud -
I am way hard on myself. I recognize that's not always a good thing but I don't know how to "out grow it" so to speak. I find I am more forgiving and/or accepting of others but just can't do the same for myself.

I have a lot of mental haunts that I don't mind discussing but choose not to share publically. That said, if anyone wants to talk I'm open for PMs/Emails. :)

[jennifert9]

Such a tough question....so difficult to answer...
I can honestly say though that everyone of you are BEAUTIFUL! I've never seen most of you and have yet to view the thread with the pictures (although to be honest, I have seen some PTers on a thread years ago) so I can say with 100% certainty that all of you are beautiful! Just by being here, on Pet Talk you are beautifuL!!!!! Your souls are glowing with love and affection. Your words and your action make you beautiful, not what you look like. I would embrace each and every one of you, your outside appearances mean little to nothing to me and to anyone in the "real" world that matters. It's cliche but true, who you are on the inside is who you are and what matters. I love getting to know you all without knowing what you look like. Sometimes outside appearances can get in the way and whether people like it or not, it causes judgments. I hate that. I want people to know ME not my body. I have made mistakes in my life that I have not forgiven myself for and because of that, I feel anger and resentment towards myself. The impression I give off to people is completely different than who I am on the inside more often than not. I've always been told I was "pretty". But what does that mean? I mean really? All that matters is how I feel about myself and that needs come work ;) LOL!

I hope some of us "older" folks can give impart some wisdom about this issue on some of the "younger" ones so they don't have to go through what many of us did...

SOOO, that said, think positive and glow from the inside out, all of you!! :D

[carole]

I would certainly not put myself in the beautiful category, filmstars like Catherine Zeta Jones are beautiful to me, like all of you I have good and bad days, days where I Think Man how can I look so ugly today, and others where I think yep you will pass for today.

Still my daughter tells me all the time how beautiful I am and hubby calls me gorgeous, so that will have to do for me lol., personally I think I am a good candidate for extreme make-over these days.:D

P.S can someone explain what the term I LIKE PIE means, I have not got a clue, not something we use in NZ.:)

[jennifert9]

LOL Carole!! It's just like saying, "I plead the 5th" or "I can't say" or "I have no opinion" It's a joke because, as I'm sure you know, so many women have trouble talking about their own beauty without society thinking they have a problem. It's just being silly! :D :D ;)

[popcornbird]

I like Pie. :D He he he!!!

I wouldn't vote 'yes', but I can't bring myself to vote 'no' either. :o I figured I don't need to destroy my self-esteem by considering myself 'non-beautiful', because that's all it would do.

I don't think I'm 'beautiful', but I guess I'm okay. ;) Not bad. LOL... I hated the way I looked several years ago, but that was when I was 20+ pounds heavier. These days, I'm okay with how I look. I hope to lose some more weight...working on that now. Maybe once I reach my goal, I'll be able to feel more 'beautiful', but for now...I'm just...wellllllll...'okay'. LOL! Actually, when I make myself look nice, I do feel 'somewhat' pretty even now. He he he.

That being said, I do consider myself beautiful on the inside...and seeing that beauty comes from within......he he he.

I feel people shouldn't judge themselves or others based on looks. The most beautiful, stunning model could possibly be the most ugly person within, and vice versal. Sometimes I go against my beliefs on this issue myself by saying I don't like the way I look, but in all honesty, this is how I see things. In fact, I always advise my brother to marry a girl who's beautiful INSIDE, and not marry someone just because she's gorgeous on the outside. He just laughs and says, "She has to be beautiful inside AND outside." LOLLL!!!

God made everyone beautiful in one way or the other. ;)

[Suki Wingy]

Originally posted by wolfsoul
Mmm...Pie.

For me, it depends on the day, my mood, the people around me, etc. I know I'm not ugly, but I don't think I'm beautiful by any means. I think I'm very lucky to look the way I do, because I'm not physically horrendous...And I've had more than a few cat calls come my way... ;) :p Hehe.

I just looked in the mirror, decided I look pretty good today. So I'm gonna vote yes. Besides, beauty is what's on the inside! :)
Wolfsoul, you pretty much summed up my thoughts:)

[slick]

A question......

Do men go through this?????? :confused:

[Jadapit]

I think some men do. They just hide it better sometimes or have a mid life crisis as they say.;) I dont get why a lot of men think when they turn 40 and up that they need to go after a 20 year old. That has to do with some self esteem issues dont you think?

[slick]

I really don't know Jadapit. I'm not in a position to say because I've been on my own for 10 years now. I've never had much luck with men and have never been dumped for a younger woman.

I mean, men are human too and I'm sure they have self esteem issues. I really want to hear from Richard, Trevor, David and any other men on this board. LOL I guess the mere title of this thread would probably scare them away.

[tikeyas_mom]

right now i dont feel pretty at all.

[Oggyflute]

Originally posted by slick
I really don't know Jadapit. I'm not in a position to say because I've been on my own for 10 years now. I've never had much luck with men and have never been dumped for a younger woman.

I mean, men are human too and I'm sure they have self esteem issues. I really want to hear from Richard, Trevor, David and any other men on this board. LOL I guess the mere title of this thread would probably scare them away.

Well I must admit I opened this thread with some trepidation, because as wordly as I am, there are some things I just don't want to really talk about. You know, the type of stuff that always gets talked about when Carole's friends pop in etc. So I opened the thread carefully and was quite surprised at what has been said actually.
It's pretty hard to put tickets on yourself and a tad unbecoming, but you should at least be honest with yourself. The thing that surprised me the most was how some of the ladies looked at themselves. Granted that having had a bad experience with some numnut of a boofhead bloke is going to sour your perception somewhat, though I do feel that what you absolutely can't hide is the beauty that everyone has from within. Everyone on here has it. It leaps at you from half the world away. How you are and how you feel is based upon your experiences. They can be good or bad, but the thing is, is that you must embrace those and see through any negativity that may befall your life in any given situation.
I have on occasion been in some very dusty circumstances, seen some truly horrible things, experienced terror at it's worst. Admittedly some of these things have taken some time for me to work through, but work through I did. Maybe experience comes into it. But ask yourself, did I make someone have a good thought today, and I can assure you that everyone on here does that everyday. I became a member of this site because, not only did I want to talk about my kids, but because it's my daily dose of happiness. No matter how my day has been, I will always have a smile when talking to the people on here and looking at there lovely pets.

In short ladies you are all beautiful, you all have such good souls that just radiate happiness. :)

[wolf_Q]

I voted no, although the I like pie was a tempting choice. :D

I've never thought of myself as beautiful. If I could lose 30 lbs I'd definitely feel better, but I still would not think I'm beautiful because I'm not.

[carole]

Trev I think you just scored a few more fans there mate, what a nice chappy you are.:) :D

[Suki Wingy]

Lexi lover I'm so glad you are happyer now! My life pretty much sucks and the only thing pulling me through is Niño and future thoughts of travling.
I thought your picture was very pretty. I hope you can see this, and what really counts anyway is not what highs chool, middle school, or elementary school kids think of you, it is how you are on the inside, what makes you happy? You have Lexi and Skye and Chiquita and everyone here on Pet Talk. Please know that I think you are very beautiful on both the inside and out!

[slick]

But ask yourself, did I make someone have a good thought today, and I can assure you that everyone on here does that everyday.
I couldn't agree with you more, Trevor. Yesterday I received an email from one of my best friends thanking me (and two other best friends) for the flowers she received for her birthday. In her email she said that "it made her day". In that instance, I did feel good about myself because I made someone happy. So why do I judge my self-worth on whether or not I make someone feel good? Recently, because of my actions/words, I have brought on more stress for someone. So what happened? My self-worth/self-esteem (whatever you want to all it) took a nosedive and all the negative talk started up again. Yes, I'm working on it, daily.

right now i dont feel pretty at all.
Jynnelle, I've met you and you are very pretty. Don't ever forget that.:)
Lexi-Lover, that picture is beautiful. I've always wanted hair like that. :)

[Lexi_Lover]

Originally posted by slick

Lexi-Lover, that picture is beautiful. I've always wanted hair like that. :)

Sadly, that isn't my hair....its something my sister did, I have hidious hair....always up in a pony tail...naturaly wavy/curly and its very annoying and NEVER shines, which makes it look unhealthy....:rolleyes:

[anna_66]

Originally posted by wolf_Q
I've never thought of myself as beautiful. If I could lose 30 lbs I'd definitely feel better, but I still would not think I'm beautiful because I'm not.
Oh how wrong you are Amy, I think you are beautiful inside and out, how dare you say your not! All anyone has to do is meet you to know how beautiful you really are:D
Now, that being said:p

I voted yes. Not because I think I'm superstar or supermodel beautiful (although my husband seems to think so;)) but because I feel like I'm a beautiful person on the inside and it shows on the outside. Does that make any sense?
I've always felt like a ugly duckling for one reason or another but when it really comes down to it I love myself for who I am and think I am a beautiful person.

I just wish the rest of you felt that way. I think you all beautiful in one way or another because you are all beautiful to me:D

And just so you know...I like pie:D

[Kfamr]

Anna, your words couldn't be any more true.
I think you and Amy are both gorgeous people, inside and OUT.

[finn's mom]

Originally posted by Kfamr
Anna, your words couldn't be any more true.
I think you and Amy are both gorgeous people, inside and OUT.

As are you, Kay. Anna's words aren't just for those two. ;)

[RICHARD]

Let's see...


baldness, pot belly, hair in the ears, nose and god know what other orifice it chooses to sprout. Facial hair, back hair and a guy's privates really aren't that attractive....you women have boobs to distract any 'Inquiries' into THAT area.

We pass gas, smell up the bathroom, our feet smell and we can belch at will.

We get wrinkly, fat and panic when a gal won't give us the time of day.....Although I was coming out of an elevator one day and caught a gal checking out my arse....I held on the THAT moment for a long, long time....

We snore, scratch out crotch, pick out a wedgie in public and can blow snot out on a long sleeve shirt with out any problem what so ever.........


A woman is the sum of her parts......

A pair of Pam's boobs, J-lo's arse, Zeta-Jones' abs (post baby)
are exactly that......body parts.


It's the total package that make a woman.

------------------------------------------

Check out a movie called "Shirley Valentine"..

Its about a marriied English woman who takes a Mediterranean vacation and has an affair.

She has a 'moment' with this gent in a small boat and afterwards her only thought about her infidelity is this..


"He kissed my stretch marks!!!"

_______________________________

Ladies,

Don't worry about what other people see.

Don't worry about what you see.

My mom has a saying....


"Everyone sees a face, no one can see a heart"

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by Jadapit
I think some men do. They just hide it better sometimes or have a mid life crisis as they say.;) I dont get why a lot of men think when they turn 40 and up that they need to go after a 20 year old. That has to do with some self esteem issues dont you think?

Actually we go for two 20 years olds...that adds UP TO FORTY:rolleyes:

You forgot the sports car....;)

I love pie too....

Lemon custard or a strawberry rhubarb....I AM THERE!!!;)

[Jadapit]

I love your moms saying Richard! Very true. Here is a picture of Pamela Anderson with no makeup. Don't forget her boob are fake.:p
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid165/p98faca58aa71f91bb057dc13383d7cf2/f4733819.jpg

[cali]

im ok, now lol I was ugly when I was fat though, people would call me a "homely" and ugly and such, I dinied it at the time but when I look at picture from the time, I really WAS ugly lol I dont think I am any more though, and nobody has made a comment like above for a long long time. but lets just say when I was in like grade 8 I had long super poofy hair, huge round glasses, and a triple chin, I am not exadurating unfortinatly lol

[slick]

Richard and Trev: how brave of you to participate in this debate.

We pass gas, smell up the bathroom, our feet smell and we can belch at will. We snore, scratch our crotch
....and you think this is limited to men??? Ha! You should visit my house after a long day at work and I've just kicked my shoes off....no wonder I can't find a date.....;) :eek:

caught a gal checking out my arse....
:D :D That's my favourite pass time....why do you think I was walking behind you at the airport last year.....;)
BTW, is it true that the way to a man's heart is through his stomach??:confused:

One more thing....I don't blame men for all my baggage but after being with drunks, losers and enduring years of verbal abuse, I'm tired of carrying around extra luggage. Am I beautiful? NO...my past experiences tell me I'm ugly inside and out. Am I able to change that attitude? ABSOLUTELY, and that's what I'm trying to do!

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by Jadapit
I love your moms saying Richard! Very true. Here is a picture of Pamela Anderson with no makeup. Don't forget her boob are fake.:p



I'm not even gonna bother looking.

I heard someone say that she is a caricature of pop culture.......

That a woman would be seen on a home videio tape and then pretend that nothing happened. .......She's a scummy broad with no scruples.....

Give her 10 more years
I'll be waiting for that day....
----------------------------------------------------

PT gives everyone a chance to speak with their heart.

You see all sides of a person in the written words.

So, what's the big deal about the wrapper???

It's the candy inside!

[dukedogsmom]

Originally posted by Jadapit
I love your moms saying Richard! Very true. Here is a picture of Pamela Anderson with no makeup. Don't forget her boob are fake.:p
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid165/p98faca58a
a71f91bb057dc13383d7cf2/f4733819.jpg
Wow! She looks horrible! Like some drunk. I had no idea. Thanks for showing us that. Makeup sure works miracles, doesn't it?

[cali]

my uncle went to school with pamala anderson, he knew her BEFORE she went fake lol he said she used be be really pretty.

[Tiah]

Originally posted by dukedogsmom
Wow! She looks horrible! Like some drunk. I had no idea. Thanks for showing us that. Makeup sure works miracles, doesn't it?

I think she's still pretty.

[Oggyflute]

Originally posted by slick


One more thing....I don't blame men for all my baggage but after being with drunks, losers and enduring years of verbal abuse, I'm tired of carrying around extra luggage. Am I beautiful? NO...my past experiences tell me I'm ugly inside and out. Am I able to change that attitude? ABSOLUTELY, and that's what I'm trying to do!

I'm very glad about that mate. I think you've already done it. You just have to accept that you have. :)

"Live long and prosper":)

[RICHARD]

Pam Anderson was discovered at a Canadian Football League game.

Her pic was put up on the stadium scoreboard when the camera was looking at the crowd.

A person with the LaBatts beer company saw her and they made her a model for their beer.....She was light years better looking then.


Now she's a spokesperson for the plastics industry.

[anna_66]

Originally posted by Kfamr
Anna, your words couldn't be any more true.
I think you and Amy are both gorgeous people, inside and OUT.
Well thank you very much Kay:o And you know that I think your beautiful as well (no matter what you think!):D

[Kater]

I make a concerted effort each day to allow myself to feel beautiful. I *think* that is the best way to put it. I don't feel beautiful in every situation or every single day, but I'm able to convince myself of it more than half of the time. I have never had the unfortunate experience of having a significant other degrade me, verbally abuse me or put me down. I'm very sorry some of you had such experiences. :(

I certainly don't judge myself or others around me by some "Hollywood standard". I see beauty in everyone around me. Beauty is not a mathematical equation for symmetry nor is it even something definite, but rather it is infinite and increases daily.

I have only thought about it this way since leaving the high school environment - I thought I should add that.

[manda_moo87]

Me beautiful? NO NO NO noooo... :o

Maybe if I lost about 30 or 40 lbs I wouldn't look so bad... I don't think it would make that much of a difference though! :rolleyes:

[joycenalex]

Originally posted by RICHARD

PT gives everyone a chance to speak with their heart.

You see all sides of a person in the written words.

So, what's the big deal about the wrapper???

It's the candy inside! [/B]
thank you richard for that wisdom. i'm gonna steal that
:cool: :p .
in the last 18 months i've lost over 120# (gastric bypass). i WAS a beautiful woman at 290# and i AM a beautiful woman at 150#. it's not body form that makes you beautiful. i get to wake up every morning and know that my furries love me, my family loves me and my friends love me, and after a long hard time of learning, i love me too. i can see how differently people respond to me now and how they did 19 months ago, but i am still the same and i still am beautiful, large or small. i looked at the pictures of the PT'ers, and we're knockouts, each one of us.

[cloverfdx]

No!

[TopCat3]

Well, I think I'm lovely.

You're ALL lovely, or you wouldn't be on this website. Anyone who loves animals the way you all do must be lovely. Just stay flexible enough and you can kiss your own stretch-marks, never mind anyone else doing it.

[mina'smomma]

Originally posted by slick
I voted....and that's all I'm going to say.

Ditto

[Killearn Kitties]

I have never seen an ugly person on this website. You are all gorgeous.

Slick, you are a beautiful woman - never forget it!

The men on this thread have spoken more sense than most (an unusual experience for Richard :D . I loved Shirley Valentine - too long since I've seen it!)

[slick]

Slick, you are a beautiful woman - never forget it!

Oh Karen, I've only just seen this now. Thank you so very much for what you said but when I look in the mirror, that's not what I see.

O would some power the giftie gie us to see ourselves as others see us.
-Robert Burns

[CountryWolf07]

I'm not beautiful - but I'm cute/pretty.

[LoudLou]

Define beautiful....

beautiful

adj 1: delighting the senses or exciting intellectual or emotional admiration; "a beautiful child"; "beautiful country"; "a beautiful painting"; "a beautiful theory"; "a beautiful party" [ant: ugly] 2: aesthetically pleasing 3: (of weather) highly enjoyable; "what a beautiful day"



I have always had really low self-esteem. I would say that by "Hollywood" or "Media" standards, I would not consider myself beautiful, however my husband tells me several times a day I am.
I keep the picture of his former actress girlfriend in the kitchen to remind me, He Chose ME. :D But, if we are defining beautiful as something other that looks, then yes I would have to say I am.

I voted yes, tho' all I wanted was pie...;)

[NoahsMommy]

Everyone has SOMETHING beautiful about them. Even if you don't see it, we do.

Beauty is not skin deep...it goes much further than that.

One can be beautiful on the outside, yet ugly on the inside.

Yes, I'm beautiful. In my own way. As are you all.

:)

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by joycenalex
thank you richard for that wisdom. i'm gonna steal that
:cool: :p .

LOL,

Everyone loves candy!:D

[Vette]

Originally posted by manda_moo87
Me beautiful? NO NO NO noooo... :o

Maybe if I lost about 30 or 40 lbs I wouldn't look so bad... I don't think it would make that much of a difference though! :rolleyes:


Ditto

[crsvstang]

No, but I believe I'd feel better if I lost about 50lbs.

[Animal Lover12]

Originally posted by slick
I voted....and that's all I'm going to say.

Same here

[jesse_3]

I sadly have a very low self-esteem, and I think that I'm the most hideous person in the world, mental and physical!:(

[carole]

jesse that makes me incredibly sad to hear you think so little of yourself, I am not one with a great high self esteem either, but I try to look at my good points, from time to time instead of focusing on my bad and that helps me some.

Sweetie please feel better about yourself, everyone is a worthwhile person in their own right, I just have to wonder what has happened in your life to make you feel so Bad about yourself.

Hugs and look in the mirror once in a while and smile and say I am a good person and I love myself today and everyday.:)

[slick]

Hugs and look in the mirror once in a while and smile and say I am a good person and I love myself today and everyday.
Carole, I know this comment was not directed at me but I've been told the same thing by other people.

This is extremely hard to do when you have spent your whole life telling yourself otherwise. All we can do is try to change our attitudes and that does not happen overnight. Trust me on this one.....I'm staring 53 in the face and still working on it.

[dukedogsmom]

It's also hard when situations and men have told you otherwise your WHOLE LIFE. I don't even like looking in the mirror and do it as little as possible.

[slick]

Originally posted by dukedogsmom
It's also hard when situations and men have told you otherwise your WHOLE LIFE. I don't even like looking in the mirror and do it as little as possible.
I hear ya! :( :(

[caseysmom]

I don't think I am beautiful when I look in the mirror but when I look in Casey's eyes I feel beautiful!

[$dog$]

if i was pretty i would be so happy :rolleyes: :)

[sandragonfly]

if we, women are beautiful, how come we are in the dog house...? :o ;)

hey guys, if you say you're ugly, then I am too. creatures too, plants too and so on... because we all were born with our faces innocently..growing in the same way with one heart...you can't help it. especially feeling the beauty of your life you're living -- don't you?!

screw the wicked mirrors, >> I << SAY you all ARE beautiful..period. please, in and out. take it or leave it :o :) hugs to all of you ~ :(

wolfchan, in your words.. do you feel you are?

[Tiah]

You know, I never realized it until now, how great of an influence society have on children in how they view themselves.

My sister is becoming a nurse, and recently had one of her clinicals in the pediatric center. Her case? A twelve year old anorexic. A female nurse has to watch her take a shower, because she tries to fit in whatever exercises she could in the shower. Jumping jacks, crunches, you name it. They also had to have someone watch her 24 hours to make sure she ate her food, and did not throw it up.

It's terrible :(

[carole]

Slick and Val, I too suffer from low self esteem, so I know what you are saying and where you are coming from, I was only trying to cheer Jesse up, she seems to feel so bad about herself, it is worrying to hear someone say that about themselves, I was always told it is better to think positive than negative, so I guess my comments re-the mirror were just trying to re-inforce that.

I have trouble practicing what I preach, believe me.:(

[persianmom]

I really don't know how to answer that question. In my life I've had one guy tell me I was a beautiful woman and don't ever let anyone tell you different and that happened in just the last year. I was married to a man for 26 years, who told me often that I was not pretty and no other man would every want me. So I stuggle with that. At times I think I'm cute but beautiful no.

[TopCat3]

Persianmom, that was how he kept you wedded to him, made you feel insecure/unattractive so you'd never consider anyone else would be interested in you. It was to cover his own insecurity. What a creep. The one you are with sounds so much better and I'm pleased for you:) Good luck!!

[mruffruff]

My dad always made me feel worthless and not pretty. My ex's weren't much better.

Now I'm much older and don't listen to others very much. I think I'm OK to look at, but not beautiful. Inside I am.

Guess my priorities are a little different now.

Mary

[robinh]

I've never thought of myself as beautiful, but it's just been in the last 5-10 years that I've decided I like my face. It's not perfect, but I've lived a hard life to get it and it's a great face. I've also learned (throught a lot of trial and error) that if I don't like me, how can I expect anyone else to.

MY SO is funny - he never says I'm beautiful but he makes me feel that way by his actions. Kind of hard to explain, but he's helped me learn to like myself and feel good about myself by accepting me as I am - with no need to change.

And if it hasn't been said enough, I refuse to accept that people who care so much for others (fur and skin) cannot possibly be anything but beatiful!!

[cubby31682]

I voted no! I don't think I am. I think I have good things about myself. I like my smile and my eyes, but that isn't enough to me, for me to think I am beautiful. I am a very caring person, but again that doesn't make me beautiful. I would love to lose 60 pounds but I don't think that would help. I would look better yes, but would that make me become beautiful? I don't think it will. My pets love me for whole I am, which makes me wonder what they see that I don't.. I like being me some days (that is one thing that I think makes people beautiful, liking who they are) other days I get so tired of the pain from my past that I hate myself.

Every day I look in the mirror and I tell myself that I am beautiful. I have been doing this for the last few months or so. It has helped a little. I can now pick out the good things in myself. I can also pick out the bad things as well. Will that ever change? I have no idea, but I hope some day it will. I want to think I am beautiful, I want to think that I am a great person, I want to think that I am a fun person to be around. But today I don't think any of those things will ever come true. I could be wrong though. I hope I am wrong. We will see I guess.

Katie

[RICHARD]

Barbie and Walt Disney are the most evil people/things on the planet.

Beauty is a fleeting thing.

I laugh when i see Joan Rivers on TV......the skin is ok looking but what's up with the facial features.

I see a lot of people during the day and when I see an ugly guy with a good looking gal i wonder for a minute then I have the answer....



Love.....


Face it folks,

beauty aint' poop unless you are loved..

;)

[Vio&Juni]

Some guy that hasn't seen me in about 2-3 years summed it up:

"The pretty short blonde, not beautiful, with a nice little body", which I think is a close description of how I feel about myself (only my body is not that little as he remembers :) )

Really, I have never considered myself beautiful, but I was always comfortable with how I looked (except when I was underweight - 92 pounds).

For me, it's much more important if a person is attractive than beautiful.

[CatMama78]

I don't post often anymore but had to jump in on this one. I am pretty darn cute. Sometimes I struggle with thoughts that I'm fat or ugly, but usually I think I'm quite attractive. Call me vain or whatever, but I've worked hard to feel good about myself. Recently lost about 50 pounds and that helped tremendously. I still could stand to lose about 20 more. Reading all of your posts made me feel sad. We are ALL beautiful no matter what they say....little cliche but it's true! Chin up - beauty is subjective and all that matters is how you feel about yourself

[Jods]

No

[anna_66]

Originally posted by Jods
No
Oh stop that now, you know your beautiful:)

[CathyBogart]

Originally posted by CatMama78
I don't post often anymore but had to jump in on this one. I am pretty darn cute. Sometimes I struggle with thoughts that I'm fat or ugly, but usually I think I'm quite attractive. Call me vain or whatever, but I've worked hard to feel good about myself. Recently lost about 50 pounds and that helped tremendously. I still could stand to lose about 20 more. Reading all of your posts made me feel sad. We are ALL beautiful no matter what they say....little cliche but it's true! Chin up - beauty is subjective and all that matters is how you feel about yourself

Your post makes me really happy. You're not vain for thinking you are cute!! ^_^