CKC

[Suki Wingy]

Just came across the Continental Kennel Club and It looks like they regester so many breeds! Does anyone know what this organization exaclty does??
http://www.continentalkennelclub.com/breedmain.aspx
I found this picture where isn't there supposed to be a picture of an ideal dog? He is standing all hunched up, is clearly to heavily marked, and there is a BIG spot on his neck!!!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/sukiwingy/PT%20dog%20breeds/GreatDane.jpg

[wolfsoul]

The CKC is one big joke. They even register some designer breeds. They are only in it for the money; nothing else.

[Giselle]

I H-A-T-E the ContKC. I LOVE the CanKC.

Notice how wannabe kennel clubs play off of reputable KC's? There was something similar with the FCI (Good!) and FIC or something (Baaaaaaaaaad).

[IRescue452]

The CKC is a kennel club mostly in Europe that is the same as the AKC to America. There are over 100 pure breeds of dog in the world, the AKC recognizes 160, the CKC recognizes 300+. The CKC is not a big joke as AKC enthusiests would say, it is a reputable kennel club. Both clubs recognize and certify puppy mills. The CKC does recognize designer breeds and hybrids. If both parents were quality purebreds, you should have a certificate for you hybrid that says so, only the AKC doesn't do that. You still cannot show your hybrid or designer dog. This is a good idea beacuse all breeds start out as mixes and even the oldest most recognizable AKC breeds don't have a sure origin because nobody bothered documenting the breeds used. Today, many dog enthusiasts feel that we have enough pure breeds, so they don't like it when people start crossing breeds to get something else. Tough crap, what if they stopped crossing breeds before they got to that person's pure breed. If they stopped in 1800, we wouldn't have a lot of those pure breeds, say goodbye to the Doberman. Even if they stopped in 1900 we wouldn't have breeds like the Boxer. So why should we stop in 2000? (we wouldn't recognize the Nova Scotia Duck Tolling retriever if we stopped in 2000) This is the typical reason people don't like the CKC, because they are willing to keep documenting mixes of breeds so that we have an origin for whatever pure breeds may come out in the end if any. I obviously like the CKC better. I don't understand how the AKC can recognize puppy mills and then turn around and not recognize ancient pure breeds like the Akbash or the Xolo (just to name a few), and then refuse to give documentation when two quality purebreds are mixed together to produce a good quality hybrid that will make a great companion. Doesn't make sense to me.

[IRescue452]

Correction, there are over 1000 pure breeds of dog. Oops, missed a zero must only be thinking AKC wise.

[vinjashira]

Originally posted by IRescue452
The CKC is a kennel club mostly in Europe that is the same as the AKC to America.
er.. are you sure about that???
I never heard of the Continental Kennel Club before. I just looked at their website and could only found their US contact details.

Look again what you have to do to register your dog as a purebreed. If you do not have a previous registration of your dog with another Kennel Club (e.g AKC) or any pedigree paper.... you only need the signatures of two witnesses (e.g. your parents) and 3 pictures of your dog.. does this sound credible to you?

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by IRescue452
The CKC is a kennel club mostly in Europe that is the same as the AKC to America. There are over 100 pure breeds of dog in the world, the AKC recognizes 160, the CKC recognizes 300+. The CKC is not a big joke as AKC enthusiests would say, it is a reputable kennel club. Both clubs recognize and certify puppy mills. The CKC does recognize designer breeds and hybrids. If both parents were quality purebreds, you should have a certificate for you hybrid that says so, only the AKC doesn't do that. You still cannot show your hybrid or designer dog. This is a good idea beacuse all breeds start out as mixes and even the oldest most recognizable AKC breeds don't have a sure origin because nobody bothered documenting the breeds used. Today, many dog enthusiasts feel that we have enough pure breeds, so they don't like it when people start crossing breeds to get something else. Tough crap, what if they stopped crossing breeds before they got to that person's pure breed. If they stopped in 1800, we wouldn't have a lot of those pure breeds, say goodbye to the Doberman. Even if they stopped in 1900 we wouldn't have breeds like the Boxer. So why should we stop in 2000? (we wouldn't recognize the Nova Scotia Duck Tolling retriever if we stopped in 2000) This is the typical reason people don't like the CKC, because they are willing to keep documenting mixes of breeds so that we have an origin for whatever pure breeds may come out in the end if any. I obviously like the CKC better. I don't understand how the AKC can recognize puppy mills and then turn around and not recognize ancient pure breeds like the Akbash or the Xolo (just to name a few), and then refuse to give documentation when two quality purebreds are mixed together to produce a good quality hybrid that will make a great companion. Doesn't make sense to me.

The Continental Kennel Club is not to Europe as AKC is to America. I believe you may be thinking of UKC which is a British club. ConKC is "international." They represent every country all over the world. The recognize 444 breeds, and every single type of mutt you can think of. You want to register a pug great dane mix? You most certainly can. Think of the genetic unsoundness a pug/dane mix would have. We do not need any more breeds. Yes, if we stopped "making breeds" we wouldn't have some of the fabulous breeds we have today. But if we had stopped making them, we wouldn't know the difference, and all would be just peachy keen. We can't look into the future and think, "aww, but look at that breed we will miss out on if we stop breeding mutts." Mutts are mutts. If you want one, go to an animal shelter. Don't buy one from a "breeder." There are way too many dogs out there; the last thing we need is more "breeds." Take a look in the pet store window. All I ever see are the "designer breeds." That's the fad. Think about what happens when pet shops get a hold of the idea of ConKC. They will have a hayday, and people knowing that "peek-a-poos" and "schnoodles" are mutts might see the papers and think "Oh, they must be purebred dogs then." It's dangerous. This isn't to say I like AKC or CanKC, as neither of which I like, escpecially AKC. However, the lows of lows would have to be ConKC. It wouldn't really matter if the boxer, or toller, or doberman, etc, didn't exist today because we wouldn't know the difference. 15 dogs for every person out there. Most of them are mutts.

[vinjashira]

Originally posted by wolfsoul
I believe you may be thinking of UKC which is a British club.

The British one is called The Kennel Club, not UKC :)

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by vinjashira
The British one is called The Kennel Club, not UKC :)
Are you sure? Because UKC stands for United Kingdom Kennel Club. No wait...something like that. United Kennel Club? Maybe I'm a dork and the United Kingdom and Britain are two different things anyways.. LOL.

[IRescue452]

Sorry, I've only heard about contacts in Europe though I know it is international. I still stand by the fact that CKC is better. Yes I do think we should stop breeding all dogs all together until there are no more abandoned ones to be adopted. That includes purebred dogs. So many quality purebreds end up in rescues, but breeders of purebreds somehow think that they should be the only ones allowed to add to the population, no excuses. By the way, it is very easy for puppy mills to get mixed breed puppies registered by the AKC, hmm these two poodles had 8 surviving puppies instead of 6, honest, so send 8 papers and I'll attach the extra two elsewhere. And the limited registration that you can get through the AKC involves sending pictures and statements as well, I could register Autumn if I wanted too.

[vinjashira]

Originally posted by wolfsoul
Are you sure? Because UKC stands for United Kingdom Kennel Club. No wait...something like that. United Kennel Club? Maybe I'm a dork and the United Kingdom and Britain are two different things anyways.. LOL.

Yes, I am sure. I live in England.
United Kingdom = Great Britain + Northern Ireland
Britain = England, Wales and Scotland

I believe UKC stands for United Kennel Club (not United Kingdom Kennel Club) and it's also based in America.

[wolfsoul]

Ahh, I understand now. :) Thanks!

[GraciesMommy]

I just heard of it for the first time yesterday because a friend of mine got a little toy poodle and she said that is where the parents are registered thru. I had never even heard of it and she was asking me about it. At least now I will have something to tell her.

[cali]

lol UKC is over here, Blair is UKC registered. personaly out of CanKC, AKC and UKC , CanKC and UKC are my favs and AKC can go to hell lol and they can take the ConKC with them. and theire are more UKC shows around here then CanKC













Disclaimer:
for all the AKC people here, dont even bother getting angry, you already know I despise them, and until they drop BC's from their recinized breeds or change the name of their breed I always will. :p

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by IRescue452
By the way, it is very easy for puppy mills to get mixed breed puppies registered by the AKC, hmm these two poodles had 8 surviving puppies instead of 6, honest, so send 8 papers and I'll attach the extra two elsewhere. And the limited registration that you can get through the AKC involves sending pictures and statements as well, I could register Autumn if I wanted too.

Very true, but these people will register the dog as a purebred. ConKC registers them as mutts which in my opinion just encourages people to breed mutts. That is also another reason I dislike AKC -- they have a very faulty registration system. Atleast CanKC visits your dog and sees for itself whether or not it should be registered as purebred.

[vinjashira]

Originally posted by cali
lol UKC is over here, Blair is UKC registered.
This is UKC in USA
http://www.ukcdogs.com/

and this is UKC in Canada
http://www.ukc.ca

Eventhough the names are the same, they are actually unrelated. UKC of USA was founded in 1898 by C. Z. Bennett for the purpose of emphasizing each breed's individual working qualities. UKC of Canada, on the other hand, formerly called The Ladies Kennel Club of Canada, was founded in 1917 by a group of Montreal women. The name was changed in 1964 to The United Kennel Club when they decided to admit male members.

-edit-
sorry I put the wrong link before :o
the website for UKC in Canada is http://www.ukc.ca

[KYS]

Isn't the FCI pretty much the controlling body of
at least 35 International
kennel clubs? I believe Japan (JKC) and parts of Europe
follow FCI rules?
I remember reading about an Akita breeder who falsely registered a
litter under a different pure bred sire.
(their were two separate pure bred litters at the time).
This person was banned from
AKC. I used to read about Akita breeders being banned
for a time on the quartarly ACA reports
for varies reasons.
Believe it or not the AKC does try to police and try
to keep accurate records.
I would think the official breed clubs have a lot of impute also
on how things are done.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if DNA became the norm.

P.S. I wanted to add, I am not keen on AKC for different reason's.
I think AKC needs to do a lot more than be a record keeping and
information business for pure-bred dogs.
Even thought the Breed clubs along with AKC do some
wonderfull things such as donating money to Vet hospitals for research they need to do more IMHO.
THey need to police and start requirering healthy tests (DNA)
on sire and dams before a dogs litter can be registered.
Might help elimanate some of puppy mills if they have to
make sure their stock passes certain health tests to bred.
It might not be the answer but maybe a start.

[cali]

nope the canadian UKC you posted does not recignize BCs, the one that does most stuff here does, and lost of people here register BCs with them for whatever reason, not for showing lol mostly just for their activitys, and we almost registered Happy with them as well. Blair is registered with the one you called the american version, I have never even heard of that canadian version lol

[Suki Wingy]

Thanks for all the input! I like how the AKC makes sure the dog breed is very recognised and popular before they regester any old breed.